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14:38:05 <trackbot> Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:38:05 <trackbot> Date: 02 February 2017
14:38:10 <allanj> chair: jim
15:04:20 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
15:04:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/02-lvtf-minutes.html allanj
15:41:22 <allanj> Agenda+ Welcome to Accessibility Guidelines Working Group - need to join https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2017JanMar/0458.html
15:41:49 <allanj> Agenda+ Review SCs from WCAG
15:42:00 <allanj> Agenda+ review Interactive Elements contrast https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-low-vision-a11y-tf/2017Jan/0123.html
15:49:08 <allanj> Agenda+ Ability to Override (was Spacing) https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/78
15:53:04 <allanj> Agenda+ Web Technology Accessibility Guidelines Checklist http://w3c.github.io/pfwg/wtag/checklist.html
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16:08:17 <allanj> present+ Jim, JohnR, Laura, Wayne, Scott, Glenda
16:08:25 <allanj> Regrets: erich
16:09:16 <allanj> Present+Marla
16:09:32 <JohnRochford> present+ JohnRochford
16:09:42 <allanj> Scribe: wayne
16:09:48 <Wayne> present+ Wayne
16:09:51 <allanj> Open item 1
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16:12:17 <allanj> Everybody please rejoin
16:12:41 <laura> https://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/35422/status
16:12:55 <Wayne> Jim: We are all part of a new WG, Accessibility Guidelines Working Group. Yeh! BUT we all must join.
16:13:23 <ScottM> xhttps://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=35422
16:13:34 <ScottM> to check as individual
16:14:46 <allanj> zakim, close item 1
16:14:46 <Zakim> agendum 1, Welcome to Accessibility Guidelines Working Group - need to join https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2017JanMar/0458.html, closed
16:14:49 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:14:49 <Zakim> 2. Review SCs from WCAG [from allanj]
16:15:00 <allanj> zakim, open item 2
16:15:00 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Review SCs from WCAG" taken up [from allanj]
16:15:01 <Wayne> Jim: Joining must occur in the next 2 weeks
16:15:46 <Glenda> List of individuals who have successfully joined AG https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=35422&public=1
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16:17:55 <Wayne> Jim: Info Graphics, Resize are accepted.
16:19:10 <allanj> work continues on Linearization 89
16:19:18 <allanj> close item 2
16:20:14 <allanj> informational graphics is now just graphics contrast
16:20:23 <allanj> Open item 3
16:22:09 <Wayne> 'Glenda: There can you see user interface components vs can you see graphics.  User Interface elements SC and a Graphics SC.
16:23:30 <Wayne> Glenda: So and image that is being used as a interface element is in the Graphics SC.
16:23:56 <Glenda> Changes I made recently are documented here https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/SC_Managers_Phase1#Version_3_Changes_.28Jan_29.2C_2017.29_Incorporating_Comments_Round_2
16:24:02 <Wayne> Glenda Drops in changes.
16:25:41 <Glenda> A pixel is not a pixel is not a pixel by ppk http://www.quirksmode.org/blog/archives/2010/04/a_pixel_is_not.html
16:25:50 <Wayne> Glenda: The most important change is every pixel to CSS pixel.
16:26:53 <Glenda> css px
16:26:54 <Glenda> the browser-calculated value of pixels, which may be different from the physical device pixels. Browsers set the measure of 1px in CSS as closely as possible to that of the reference pixel which takes into account the assumed viewing distance. For example, 1px on a TV display at 3.5m away is much larger than 1px on a phone 30cm feet away. The CSS pixels on a high-resolution screen create text and objects that are the same size as a low-resolution screen if they
16:26:54 <Glenda> both use CSS pixels.
16:27:05 <Wayne> Glenda: We add a CSS pixel definition.
16:28:21 <Glenda> User Interface Component Contrast (Minimum)
16:29:29 <allanj> see https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Contrast_(Minimum)
16:30:32 <Glenda> examples for text input http://www.glendathegood.com/a11y/lvtf/textinputborder.html
16:31:25 <Glenda> examples for submit buttons http://www.glendathegood.com/a11y/lvtf/submitbuttonborder.html
16:31:46 <Glenda> examples for visiual focus indicators
16:31:48 <Glenda> http://www.glendathegood.com/a11y/lvtf/visualfocus.html
16:33:49 <allanj> Jim and Glenda will work on select element examples. Glenda will work on radiobutton and checkbox examples
16:34:52 <Wayne> RESOLUTION: The User Interface Component Contrast SC as discussed above is approved with necessary edits.
16:35:15 <JohnRochford> +1
16:35:15 <laura> +1
16:35:19 <Glenda> +1
16:35:22 <Wayne> +1
16:35:38 <allanj> +1
16:35:41 <ScottM> +1
16:35:41 <Glenda> present+ Glenda
16:35:53 <allanj> close item
16:36:01 <laura> present+ Laura
16:36:05 <allanj> zakim, close item 3
16:36:05 <Zakim> agendum 3, review Interactive Elements contrast https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-low-vision-a11y-tf/2017Jan/0123.html, closed
16:36:07 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:36:07 <Zakim> 4. Ability to Override (was Spacing) https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/78 [from allanj]
16:36:15 <allanj> open item 4
16:36:34 <laura> https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/issues/78
16:37:38 <allanj> wayne: looking for references.
16:38:29 <allanj> wayne: thinks 0.03 for character and 0.07 for word should be fine
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16:40:20 <allanj> wayne: object to b/w and w/b in the criteria, it is an excellent TEST. but shouldn't be a criteria.
16:41:18 <allanj> gs: chose b/w to keep authors from making mistakes
16:42:22 <ScottM> q+
16:42:48 <allanj> gs: proposed change of 4.5:1
16:43:21 <allanj> wayne: but we need to get around the contrast SC. so any two colors
16:44:12 <allanj> scott: perhaps say pick a single foreground and a single background color. so user can pick a color.
16:44:22 <Wayne> scott: change the forground and background color to one color each to test.
16:44:34 <allanj> ... use <e.g. b/w) then user b/w in the test.
16:44:52 <allanj> glenda: single foreground color and a single different background color.
16:46:03 <allanj> agenda?
16:49:04 <allanj> changing name - Laura will make a list of proposed names
16:49:30 <allanj> close item 4
16:49:42 <allanj> zakim, open item 5
16:49:42 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Web Technology Accessibility Guidelines Checklist http://w3c.github.io/pfwg/wtag/checklist.html" taken up [from allanj]
16:52:32 <Wayne> Jim: There is a new iteration of PFWG, plus extended review of A11y guidelines .  The WTAG group came up with a checklist. They are not sure about LV.
16:54:28 <allanj> Horizontal scrolling - http://nosetothepage.org/Fitz/2dScroll.html
16:57:13 <allanj> trackbot, end meeting
16:57:13 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:57:13 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Jim, JohnR, Laura, Wayne, Scott, Glenda, Marla, JohnRochford
16:57:21 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:57:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/02/02-lvtf-minutes.html trackbot
16:57:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:57:22 <RRSAgent> I see no action items