IRC log of rqtf on 2017-02-01

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Zakim, this will be
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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 01 February 2017
13:52:18 [jasonjgw]
agenda+ CAPTCHA and authentication - findings from the literature
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agenda+ Web of Things accessibility use cases/requirements
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agenda+ Other issues of interest to participants
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present+ jasonjgw
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13:57:02 [janina]
present+
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present+
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Hi ... i'm a bit new here ... do you happen to know the password for the call?
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14:04:27 [shwetank]
I would like to attend but don't know the password for the call, im searching for past mails but I don't seem to see it mentioned anywhere
14:05:55 [janina]
scribe: Janina
14:06:19 [janina]
zakim, next item
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agendum 1. "CAPTCHA and authentication - findings from the literature" taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:07:03 [janina]
jgw: Added to the wiki, as recently as Tuesday
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jgw: Added references and assigning
14:07:28 [janina]
jgw: Also read on the topic itself
14:07:41 [shadi]
present+
14:08:27 [janina]
jgw: Accessibility and security of audio captcha is one topic of interest in the literature
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jgw: People are concerned about use of speech recognition to circumvent it
14:08:57 [janina]
jgw: Also, humans don't really do that well with audio captcha
14:09:32 [janina]
jgw: Success rate is modest, the best they got was somewhere around 68% with screen reader
14:10:04 [janina]
jgw: They used chars like space, slash to rewind slightly to replay
14:10:46 [janina]
q+ To ask what the general success rate is
14:11:51 [janina]
jgw: Another approach is recognizing everyday sounds in the environment, rather than digits
14:12:04 [janina]
jgw: This approach is both visual and audible
14:12:18 [janina]
jgw: Appears to be in some patent state
14:14:20 [Judy]
present+ Judy
14:14:26 [MichaelC_]
present+
14:14:39 [jasonjgw]
present+ jasonjgwq?
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q+
14:15:15 [janina]
ack ja
14:15:15 [Zakim]
janina, you wanted to ask what the general success rate is
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ack sc
14:15:22 [jasonjgw]
q+
14:15:47 [janina]
sh: Looking through several papers
14:15:58 [sloandr]
q+
14:18:04 [janina]
js: Suggesting we should explain the difference between visual and audible, -- audio is temporal, but the graphic sits there for continuing examination
14:18:22 [janina]
sh: Suggests audible also confuses people, is it 7 or s e v e n ??
14:18:58 [janina]
jgw: Answering Janina, success rates are fairly moderate across all, blind or not, in the Washington study
14:19:04 [sloandr]
ack me
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q?
14:20:00 [janina]
ds: Understanding mobile paper is also very interesting, still working through the findings
14:21:02 [janina]
ds: There's quite a lot about security, interesting perspectives
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14:21:35 [janina]
ds: Noticed references also that we don't yet have, will add
14:21:37 [jasonjgw]
q?
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ack j
14:22:01 [scott_h]
q+
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ack s
14:23:31 [janina]
sh: I've been asked whether there might be a year-long student project from the work we're doing. So, just suggesting a possibility
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ds: Silver has been considering such
14:26:50 [janina]
jb: This has been done by other WAI groups, issue is how to shape the project
14:27:15 [janina]
jb: You need to divise a project that is achievable in the available time, and that itself can take a bit of time
14:28:46 [janina]
jb: Another concern is that doing original research work would limit how much we can cover in overall areas
14:31:32 [janina]
zakim, next item
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agendum 2. "Web of Things accessibility use cases/requirements" taken up [from jasonjgw]
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q?
14:32:03 [shadi]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things
14:32:07 [janina]
jgw: Shadi has provided a wiki
14:33:29 [janina]
ds: Several captcha/authentication papers reference mobile devices as controllers, home, or out and about
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ds: Even atms
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ds: May be a relationship to note
14:34:59 [janina]
sa: Open for added references at end of the wiki
14:35:10 [scott_h]
q+
14:35:56 [janina]
sa: Suggest adding under "Publications" or create a new heading
14:36:21 [janina]
sa: Also cross links are possible
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ack s
14:37:53 [janina]
sh: Offering to focus on WoT, if that's an rqtf topic?
14:38:05 [janina]
sa: Currently looking for use cases mostly
14:38:20 [janina]
sa: Also categorization discussion
14:41:08 [janina]
js: Suggest rqtf is a good place for WoT A11y discussion just now--most likely to succeed at this time
14:43:39 [jasonjgw]
q+
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q?
14:43:42 [janina]
js: Suggests we might explore what's possible with spoken interfacing, like Amazon Echo
14:43:55 [janina]
js: And what WoT device apis provide
14:44:25 [janina]
sa: Agree, wanting not to worry whehter it's web, or some other category later, focus on user for now
14:46:28 [janina]
sa: Think WoT WG may have requirements on data specs, and we'd need to be ready to help those be a11y
14:46:41 [janina]
sa: At least with metadata, but that means use cases first
14:47:09 [janina]
q?
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ack j
14:48:32 [janina]
jgw: Seems there may be more personalization in general in near future, with mobile and spoken interface devices
14:48:43 [janina]
jgw: That suggests importance of interoperability
14:49:59 [janina]
jgw: The multiplication of how web content is accessed, not just the desktop browser anymore
14:50:01 [jasonjgw]
q+q?
14:51:46 [janina]
jgw: Suggest to continue reading, and keep with a Captcha focus first for next week
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zakim, bye
14:54:38 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, scott_h, shadi, Judy, MichaelC_, jasonjgwq?
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