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13:51:49 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:51:49 <trackbot> Date: 01 February 2017
13:52:18 <jasonjgw> agenda+ CAPTCHA and authentication - findings from the literature
13:52:38 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Web of Things accessibility use cases/requirements
13:52:49 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Other issues of interest to participants
13:53:07 <jasonjgw> present+ jasonjgw
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13:57:02 <janina> present+
14:01:10 <scott_h> present+
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14:02:56 <shwetank> Hi ... i'm a bit new here ... do you happen to know the password for the call?
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14:04:27 <shwetank> I would like to attend but don't know the password for the call, im searching for past mails but I don't seem to see it mentioned anywhere
14:05:55 <janina> scribe: Janina
14:06:19 <janina> zakim, next item
14:06:19 <Zakim> agendum 1. "CAPTCHA and authentication - findings from the literature" taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:07:03 <janina> jgw: Added to the wiki, as recently as Tuesday
14:07:20 <janina> jgw: Added references and assigning
14:07:28 <janina> jgw: Also read on the topic itself
14:07:41 <shadi> present+
14:08:27 <janina> jgw: Accessibility and security of audio captcha is one topic of interest in the literature
14:08:43 <janina> jgw: People are concerned about use of speech recognition to circumvent it
14:08:57 <janina> jgw: Also, humans don't really do that well with audio captcha
14:09:32 <janina> jgw: Success rate is modest, the best they got was somewhere around 68% with screen reader
14:10:04 <janina> jgw: They used chars like space, slash to rewind slightly to replay
14:10:46 <janina> q+ To ask what the general success rate is
14:11:51 <janina> jgw: Another approach is recognizing everyday sounds in the environment, rather than digits
14:12:04 <janina> jgw: This approach is both visual and audible
14:12:18 <janina> jgw: Appears to be in some patent state
14:14:20 <Judy> present+ Judy
14:14:26 <MichaelC_> present+
14:14:39 <jasonjgw> present+ jasonjgwq?
14:14:51 <scott_h> q+
14:15:15 <janina> ack ja
14:15:15 <Zakim> janina, you wanted to ask what the general success rate is
14:15:17 <janina> ack sc
14:15:22 <jasonjgw> q+
14:15:47 <janina> sh: Looking through several papers
14:15:58 <sloandr> q+
14:18:04 <janina> js: Suggesting we should explain the difference between visual and audible, -- audio is temporal, but the graphic sits there for continuing examination
14:18:22 <janina> sh: Suggests audible also confuses people, is it 7 or s e v e n ??
14:18:58 <janina> jgw: Answering Janina, success rates are fairly moderate across all, blind or not, in the Washington study
14:19:04 <sloandr> ack me
14:19:08 <janina> q?
14:20:00 <janina> ds: Understanding mobile paper is also very interesting, still working through the findings
14:21:02 <janina> ds: There's quite a lot about security, interesting perspectives
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14:21:35 <janina> ds: Noticed references also that we don't yet have, will add
14:21:37 <jasonjgw> q?
14:21:49 <janina> ack j
14:22:01 <scott_h> q+
14:22:20 <janina> ack s
14:23:31 <janina> sh: I've been asked whether there might be a year-long student project from the work we're doing. So, just suggesting a possibility
14:24:41 <janina> ds: Silver has been considering such
14:26:50 <janina> jb: This has been done by other WAI groups, issue is how to shape the project
14:27:15 <janina> jb: You need to divise a project that is achievable in the available time, and that itself can take a bit of time
14:28:46 <janina> jb: Another concern is that doing original research work would limit how much we can cover in overall areas
14:31:32 <janina> zakim, next item
14:31:32 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Web of Things accessibility use cases/requirements" taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:31:41 <jasonjgw> q?
14:32:03 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Web_of_Things
14:32:07 <janina> jgw: Shadi has provided a wiki
14:33:29 <janina> ds: Several captcha/authentication papers reference mobile devices as controllers, home, or out and about
14:33:40 <janina> ds: Even atms
14:33:47 <janina> ds: May be a relationship to note
14:34:59 <janina> sa: Open for added references at end of the wiki
14:35:10 <scott_h> q+
14:35:56 <janina> sa: Suggest adding under "Publications" or create a new heading
14:36:21 <janina> sa: Also cross links are possible
14:36:35 <janina> ack s
14:37:53 <janina> sh: Offering to focus on WoT, if that's an rqtf topic?
14:38:05 <janina> sa: Currently looking for use cases mostly
14:38:20 <janina> sa: Also categorization discussion
14:41:08 <janina> js: Suggest rqtf is a good place for WoT A11y discussion just now--most likely to succeed at this time
14:43:39 <jasonjgw> q+
14:43:41 <jasonjgw> q?
14:43:42 <janina> js: Suggests we might explore what's possible with spoken interfacing, like Amazon Echo
14:43:55 <janina> js: And what WoT device apis provide
14:44:25 <janina> sa: Agree, wanting not to worry whehter it's web, or some other category later, focus on user for now
14:46:28 <janina> sa: Think WoT WG may have requirements on data specs, and we'd need to be ready to help those be a11y
14:46:41 <janina> sa: At least with metadata, but that means use cases first
14:47:09 <janina> q?
14:47:18 <janina> ack j
14:48:32 <janina> jgw: Seems there may be more personalization in general in near future, with mobile and spoken interface devices
14:48:43 <janina> jgw: That suggests importance of interoperability
14:49:59 <janina> jgw: The multiplication of how web content is accessed, not just the desktop browser anymore
14:50:01 <jasonjgw> q+q?
14:51:46 <janina> jgw: Suggest to continue reading, and keep with a Captcha focus first for next week
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14:54:38 <jasonjgw> zakim, bye
14:54:38 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, janina, scott_h, shadi, Judy, MichaelC_, jasonjgwq?
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