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18:00:27 <jamesn> zakim, clear agenda
18:00:27 <Zakim> agenda cleared
18:00:41 <jamesn> Agenda+ Release 1 Scope Proposal Review https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/Scope
18:00:41 <jamesn> Agenda+ Guidance section plan review https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/Guidance-Sections-Development-Status
18:00:41 <jamesn> Agenda+ Around the table - status updates on issue assignments for current milestone
18:00:48 <jamesn> Agenda+ Issue 244: (Jon) Develop example of the disclosure (show/hide) pattern https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/244
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18:04:35 <mck> zakim, clear agenda
18:04:35 <Zakim> agenda cleared
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18:06:08 <mck> Agenda+ Guidance section plan review https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/Guidance-Sections-Development-Status
18:06:09 <mck> Agenda+ Around the table - status updates on issue assignments for current milestone
18:06:11 <mck> - Jemma Issue 240: Identify examples where the charCode property of keypress event is used https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/249
18:06:12 <mck> - Michiel: Issue 187: Updates needed for breadcrumb example page https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/187
18:06:14 <mck> - James: Issue 221: Update multi-thumb slider design pattern https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/221
18:06:15 <mck> Agenda+ Issue 244: (Jon) Develop example of the disclosure (show/hide) pattern https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/244
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18:08:20 <mck> MEETING Auhtoring Practices Task Force January 30
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18:10:33 <jamesn> Meeting: ARIA APG TF
18:11:34 <jamesn> scribe: jamesn
18:12:40 <jamesn> agenda?
18:13:52 <jamesn> Agenda+ Release 1 Scope Proposal Review
18:14:05 <jamesn> zakim, take up item 4
18:14:05 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Release 1 Scope Proposal Review" taken up [from jamesn]
18:14:11 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/Scope
18:15:52 <jamesn> MK: what I did was worked on defining the rest of Minimum Viable Product. Had talked about covering all widget role and states/properties realted to widgets
18:16:30 <jamesn> WHat did on this page is took what we are trying to completed for the 1st release of the APG
18:16:51 <jamesn> what would like group to do is 1st tell me if you think there are things that should be added or removed
18:17:02 <jamesn> and then any feedback on how it is presented
18:18:27 <jamesn> Didn't want to state most frequently used.
18:19:42 <jamesn> AA: guidance for most aria features
18:19:52 <jamesn> AA: suggest delete the and most
18:20:08 <jamesn> MK: doesn't say anything about how we are choosing
18:21:34 <jamesn> AA: Q - what does the count mean?
18:21:43 <jamesn> MK: number in that category
18:21:55 <jamesn> MK: could put a link to section 5.3 where they are defined
18:22:35 <jamesn> MK: will be covering about 9 of the doc structure ones
18:23:46 <jamesn> In the 3rd column of the table am providing links to how they Are covered
18:24:15 <jamesn> I did not want to define all the categories here
18:24:32 <jamesn> only place would mention DnD is in the whats changed appendix
18:25:05 <jamesn> AA: noticed applications and region moved
18:26:08 <jamesn> JN: suggest to remove abstract roles from the table
18:28:18 <jamesn> MK: Any galring ommisions?
18:30:13 <jamesn> MK: probably obvious what uses the menu role but maybe the seperator role is not obvious. An index would be useful
18:30:35 <jamesn> MK: would like to make it more strtaightforward for someone to find things based on a role
18:31:14 <jamesn> JG: will the index inlcude an index of examples which use the things
18:32:40 <jamesn> MK: if we did that then might want a metadata phrase that could be included in the index
18:33:08 <jamesn> 'JG: would be interesting to look at a JSON object in the example directory which could highlight what properties etc are used
18:33:21 <jamesn> MK: would rather have a script which generated the JSON object
18:33:53 <jamesn> MK: I don';t think we want every row of the tables indexed
18:34:31 <jamesn> SB: will it list what the landmarks etc.
18:34:40 <jamesn> MK: yes - would take you to the section
18:35:07 <jamesn> zakim, close this item
18:35:07 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
18:35:08 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:35:08 <Zakim> 1. Guidance section plan review https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/Guidance-Sections-Development-Status [from mck]
18:35:13 <jamesn> zakim, next item
18:35:13 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Guidance section plan review https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/Guidance-Sections-Development-Status" taken up [from mck]
18:36:16 <jamesn> MK: mapped issues to the states and properties
18:36:25 <jamesn> then created issues where there were gaps
18:36:36 <jamesn> grouped into topics or categories
18:38:03 <jamesn> MK: if you look, for each topic in the 3rd column there will be specific states and properties (and for Live regions, roles)
18:38:11 <jamesn> MK: in the 2nd column is the status
18:38:22 <jamesn> haven't started any of them except KB related stuff
18:39:06 <jamesn> MK: Feed is structural and will be covered in a design pattern
18:40:30 <jamesn> MK: would be log role for IRC style chat
18:42:01 <jamesn> MK: at one point had aria-readonly as seperate - I put it under communicating widget states
18:43:51 <jamesn> AA: might be helpful for the topics to be ini alphabetical order
18:44:02 <jamesn> MK: was trying to group them by what they do
18:44:14 <jamesn> MK: also thinking about the architecture of the overall document
18:46:42 <jamesn> AA: labelling and describing said was global
18:46:58 <jamesn> AA: I think we need a new column 1 - which groups these things
18:47:07 <jamesn> MK: this is for tracking
18:47:23 <jamesn> was thinking of making a seperate page for describing the IA of the entire guide
18:50:24 <jamesn> MK: other places we seperate done from incomplete
18:50:48 <jamesn> AA: I would vote for grouping things now you have called out what the thought process was
18:51:00 <jemma> I have to go to another meeting at 1. here is my update on keypress. https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/249
18:51:16 <jamesn> JG: would like to prioritize form control error feedback section
18:51:31 <jamesn> MK: are you saying you would liek to work on it?
18:51:44 <jamesn> all are equal priority for initial release of the guide
18:51:48 <jamesn> MVP scope
18:52:04 <jamesn> JG: would be willing to take it and draft it
18:52:18 <jamesn> MK: have next mil;estone defined already
18:54:09 <jamesn> zakim, next item
18:54:09 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Around the table - status updates on issue assignments for current milestone" taken up [from mck]
18:54:15 <jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/249
18:54:49 <jamesn> Jon fixed for menu - need doing tree and menubar
18:56:35 <jamesn> JN: nothing to report
18:56:40 <jamesn> zakim, next item
18:56:40 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Issue 244: (Jon) Develop example of the disclosure (show/hide) pattern https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/244" taken up [from mck]
18:57:05 <jamesn> MK: I pushed some commits to your branch
18:57:57 <jamesn> MK: the changes i made adding some of the features in the template didnt seem to make it into your new files
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