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15:27:06 <addison> trackbot, prepare teleconference
15:27:09 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:27:12 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
15:27:12 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
15:27:12 <trackbot> Date: 26 January 2017
15:27:12 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
15:27:32 <addison> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Jan/0009.html
15:27:37 <addison> Chair: Addison Phillips
15:27:42 <addison> ScribeNick: addison
15:27:46 <addison> Scribe: Addison Phillips
15:27:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-minutes.html addison
15:28:14 <addison> Regrets+ Felix
15:28:29 <addison> agenda+ Agenda
15:28:33 <addison> agenda+ Action Items
15:28:37 <addison> agenda+ Info Share
15:28:42 <addison> agenda+ Radar and Active Work Review
15:28:56 <addison> agenda+ For internal review: Styling vertical Chinese, Japanese,  Korean and Mongolian text
15:29:07 <addison> agenda+ Charmod-Norm ready for wide review?
15:29:16 <addison> agenda+ Definition of String in WHATWG
15:29:28 <addison> agenda+ Github repo activity digest
15:29:38 <addison> agenda+ International text layout and typography index
15:29:52 <addison> agenda+ CSS WG proposal to ignore line-height: normal when rhythmic sizing is enabled
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16:01:55 <r12a> agenda?
16:04:17 <addison> present+ Addisn
16:04:25 <addison> s/Addisn/Addison/
16:04:30 <r12a> present+ r12a
16:04:46 <r12a> present- Addisn
16:04:50 <r12a> present+ Addison
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16:04:59 <r12a> present?
16:05:04 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
16:05:04 <Zakim> Present: r12a, Addison
16:05:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see Klensin, david, najib, Steve_Atkin, Zakim, RRSAgent, addison, r12a, csarven, koji, bigbluehat, fantasai, rhiaro, trackbot
16:05:19 <r12a> present+ Steve, Koji, JohnO
16:05:30 <r12a> present+ David
16:05:49 <addison> agenda?
16:06:02 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 1
16:06:02 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Agenda" taken up [from addison]
16:06:21 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 2
16:06:21 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Action Items" taken up [from addison]
16:06:45 <addison> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
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16:07:09 <Klensin> present+ jck
16:07:10 <John_O> present +John_O
16:07:30 <John_O> present+ John_O
16:07:37 <addison> action-580?
16:07:37 <trackbot> action-580 -- Richard Ishida to Set up two repos for felix's documents from its for final publication as note -- due 2017-01-26 -- OPEN
16:07:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/580
16:07:41 <addison> close action-580
16:07:42 <trackbot> Closed action-580.
16:09:13 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 3
16:09:13 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Info Share" taken up [from addison]
16:09:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:09:37 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 4
16:09:37 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Radar and Active Work Review" taken up [from addison]
16:09:53 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/projects/1
16:12:15 <r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2017JanMar/0012.html
16:14:06 <addison> richard: jumped into ttml2, jumped straight into ruby section
16:14:20 <addison> ... so if you look elsewhere........
16:14:26 <addison> ... many issues in ruby
16:16:12 <r12a> [[
16:16:17 <r12a> The horizontal review should focus only on the new features
16:16:17 <r12a> introduced in TTML2.
16:16:17 <r12a> Please refer to the section for changes between Timed Text Markup Language (TTML) Version 1 (TTML1) and Version 2 (TTML2).
16:16:19 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/WD-ttml2-20161117/#changes-from-ttml1-vocabulary
16:16:21 <r12a> ]]
16:16:32 <addison> addison: please volunteer on the member list for sections as you review them
16:16:37 <addison> agenda?
16:17:06 <addison> zakim, take agendum 10
16:17:06 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take agendum 10', addison
16:17:22 <addison> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2017Jan/0017.html
16:17:31 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 10
16:17:31 <Zakim> agendum 10. "CSS WG proposal to ignore line-height: normal when rhythmic sizing is enabled" taken up [from addison]
16:17:47 <addison> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/938
16:18:13 <addison> koji: proposal from florian to change line-height:normal
16:18:24 <addison> ... would lose ability to set line height based on font metrics
16:18:38 <addison> ... may affect some languages/fonts that have very tall scripts
16:19:25 <addison> koji: proposal is to make line-height:normal to be line-height:1
16:19:38 <addison> ... there are some scripts that stack vertically or are very tall
16:19:59 <addison> (citings of Tibetan, Myanmar, Arabic)
16:20:38 <addison> ... when set to a number, it depends on font
16:21:44 <addison> ... normal uses font metrics not the font
16:21:53 <addison> ... so line to line spacing can be different
16:22:22 <addison> ... florians proposal is to avoid font metrics based line height because Latin font users have bad experience
16:22:43 <addison> ... do non-latin script rely more on normal/font metrics than others??
16:23:26 <addison> normal is default
16:23:48 <addison> lines never overlap as a result, but leading inconsistent
16:24:03 <addison> if glyphs too tall, lines overlap, when you use numbers
16:24:43 <r12a> نشاط التدويل، W3C نشاط التدويل، W3C نشاط التدويل، W3C نشاط التدويل، W3C نشاط التدويل، W3C نشاط التدويل، W3C རྒྱལ་སྤྱིར་བསྒྱུར་བའི་ལས་དོན། W3C རྒྱལ་སྤྱིར་བསྒྱུར་བའི་ལས་དོན། W3C རྒྱལ་སྤྱིར་བསྒྱུར་བའི་ལས་དོན། W3C
16:24:43 <r12a>  རྒྱལ་སྤྱིར་བསྒྱུར་བའི་ལས་དོན། W3C
16:24:44 <addison> richard: trying quickly, Tibetan and Arabic break if line-height:1
16:28:45 <addison> mixed script produces better results when it can adjust
16:29:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-minutes.html addison
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16:32:10 <r12a> http://rishida.io/scripts/phrases
16:32:21 <addison> richard: there are text examples at above link
16:32:25 <addison> ... might be useful
16:32:40 <r12a> http://r12a.github.io/scripts/phrases
16:33:56 <addison> koji: can prepare response using these samples
16:34:04 <addison> ... will bring back if not easy to conclude
16:34:07 <addison> agenda?
16:34:31 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 8
16:34:31 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Github repo activity digest" taken up [from addison]
16:34:48 <addison> richard: sent some emails about this
16:34:56 <addison> ... more I thought that this is useful
16:35:13 <addison> ... suggesting that we hit www-international issue when an issue is created
16:35:29 <addison> ... or if we raised on someone's repo and it gets the i18n label
16:35:36 <addison> ... and winter when they close
16:35:43 <addison> ... but no information flowing
16:35:53 <addison> ... that is useful in keeping traffic down
16:36:03 <addison> ... but also means that they get notifications that they might not care about
16:36:14 <addison> ... have to subscribe to the issue itself
16:36:31 <addison> ... also folks reply by email rather than github, creating threading problems
16:36:51 <addison> ... so propose to send digest saying effectively: here are the new issues, the closed issues, and the ones with traffic
16:37:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:37:48 <addison> richard: thinking daily digest
16:38:22 <addison> ... two or more digest is possible
16:42:06 <addison> action: richard: send note to www-international announcing switching to github digests and set up the digests
16:42:07 <trackbot> Created ACTION-584 - Send note to www-international announcing switching to github digests and set up the digests [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-02-02].
16:42:55 <addison> agenda?
16:43:22 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 9
16:43:22 <Zakim> agendum 9. "International text layout and typography index" taken up [from addison]
16:43:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:43:40 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/typography/
16:45:12 <r12a> https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/typography/justification.en
16:45:29 <addison> richard: suggesting we take the differently formatted material on justification and put in another place
16:45:40 <najib> +1
16:46:11 <addison> addison: +1
16:46:49 <addison> no ojbections noted
16:47:30 <david> +1
16:47:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:47:46 <najib> s/ojbections/objections/
16:48:12 <addison> action: richard: move the justification materials to separate article and point to it from typography document
16:48:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-585 - Move the justification materials to separate article and point to it from typography document [on Richard Ishida - due 2017-02-02].
16:49:17 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 5
16:49:17 <Zakim> agendum 5. "For internal review: Styling vertical Chinese, Japanese,  Korean and Mongolian text" taken up [from addison]
16:49:25 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/vertical-text.en
16:50:03 <addison> richard: updated a bit
16:50:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-minutes.html addison
16:50:22 <addison> richard: new section on "default character orientation"
16:50:30 <addison> ... some small changes and a few more comments to deal with
16:51:47 <addison> zakim, take up agendum 7
16:51:47 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Definition of String in WHATWG" taken up [from addison]
16:51:50 <addison>    https://github.com/whatwg/infra/issues/1
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16:52:37 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
16:52:37 <Zakim> Present: r12a, Addison, Steve, Koji, JohnO, David, jck, John_O
16:52:39 <Zakim> On IRC I see david_, Klensin, david, najib, Steve_Atkin, Zakim, RRSAgent, addison, r12a, csarven, koji, bigbluehat, fantasai, rhiaro, trackbot
17:00:50 <addison> action: addison: summarize whatwg string definition and recommend changes if needed
17:00:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-586 - Summarize whatwg string definition and recommend changes if needed [on Addison Phillips - due 2017-02-02].
17:02:09 <r12a> [[
17:02:09 <r12a>  Code Point. (1) Any value in the Unicode codespace; that is, the range of integers from 0 to 10FFFF16. (See definition D10 in Section 3.4, Characters and Encoding.) Not all code points are assigned to encoded characters. See code point type. (2) A value, or position, for a character, in any coded character set.
17:02:11 <r12a> ]]
17:02:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-minutes.html addison
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17:40:14 <addison> zakim, bye
17:40:14 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Addisn, r12a, Addison, Steve, Koji, JohnO, David, jck, John_O
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17:40:21 <addison> rrsagent, bye
17:40:21 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-actions.rdf :
17:40:21 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: send note to www-international announcing switching to github digests and set up the digests [1]
17:40:21 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-irc#T16-42-06
17:40:21 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: move the justification materials to separate article and point to it from typography document [2]
17:40:21 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-irc#T16-48-12
17:40:21 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: summarize whatwg string definition and recommend changes if needed [3]
17:40:21 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/01/26-i18n-irc#T17-00-50