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17:30:45 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
17:30:45 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
17:30:46 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Authentication Working Group Teleconference
17:30:46 <trackbot> Date: 18 January 2017
17:31:46 <weiler> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webauthn/2017Jan/0086.html
17:32:07 <weiler> zakim, who's here?
17:32:07 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
17:32:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, weiler, schuki, jcj_moz, rrware, mkwst, adrianba, slightlyoff, hyojin, wseltzer, trackbot, ted
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18:03:08 <weiler> zakim, who's here?
18:03:08 <Zakim> Present: JefH, rbarnes, samsrinivas, jcj_moz, Rolf
18:03:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see weiler, Rolf, samsrinivas, rbarnes, JeffH, angelo, Zakim, RRSAgent, schuki, jcj_moz, rrware, mkwst, adrianba, slightlyoff, hyojin, wseltzer, trackbot, ted
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18:03:52 <vgb> present+
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18:04:05 <weiler> present+ nadalin
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18:04:44 <weiler> present+ Kim
18:05:13 <JeffH> does it matter or not whether one adds one's handle to the `present+` command?
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18:05:51 <jcj_moz> scribenick: jcj_moz
18:06:08 <weiler> name or handle or something is important, for attendance in minutes.  there's nothing re: the irc bots that otherwise cares, AFAIK
18:06:21 <jcj_moz> tony: Cancelling next week's meeting due to the FIDO face-to-face
18:06:32 <selfissued> present+
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18:07:10 <jcj_moz> weiler: Starting with the following meeting, will be switching out the conference call information
18:07:19 <jcj_moz> tony: So we have some open PRs to go over today...
18:07:32 <jcj_moz> ... Continuing 314, 319, and 321.
18:07:46 <jcj_moz> ... so I believe jcj_moz has been looking at 314
18:08:05 <jcj_moz> JeffH: I probably need to review 314/319 and haven't had time
18:08:07 <weiler> chair: nadalin, rbarnes
18:08:29 <weiler> zakim, who's here?
18:08:29 <Zakim> Present: JefH, rbarnes, samsrinivas, jcj_moz, Rolf, vgb, weiler, nadalin, Kim, selfissued
18:08:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ketan, apowers, selfissued, vgb, kpaulhamus, weiler, Rolf, samsrinivas, rbarnes, JeffH, angelo, Zakim, RRSAgent, schuki, jcj_moz, rrware, mkwst, adrianba, slightlyoff,
18:08:32 <Zakim> ... hyojin, wseltzer, trackbot, ted
18:09:09 <jcj_moz> jcj_moz: Seems like we need editors of html to triage the issue #769 at html
18:09:20 <jcj_moz> JeffH: I think we just make the PR and watch what happens
18:09:42 <weiler> present+ apowers, angelo, Ketan
18:10:37 <jcj_moz> jcj_moz: I don't know what to do next
18:10:45 <jcj_moz> JeffH: Maybe talk to bz or annevk 1-1
18:11:19 <jcj_moz> JeffH: So I guess 314/319 are in progress
18:11:26 <jcj_moz> Tony: Someday it will end.
18:11:37 <jcj_moz> JeffH: That moves us to 321
18:11:49 <jcj_moz> ... I do have comments. I'm still in progress on review.
18:12:24 <jcj_moz> ... Overall vgb has done a bangup job; it's difficult to figure out the relationships between these terms that we don't clearly delineate, but from tech perspective it looks good
18:12:54 <jcj_moz> vgb: I also pushed out a couple of detail-level wording touchups today
18:13:24 <jcj_moz> ... I also have some improvements ... in reading through it, one of the weak areas is trust verification on DAA, so I'll work with __??__ offline to explain
18:13:29 <jcj_moz> JeffH: I'll help
18:13:41 <jcj_moz> vgb: If you find ways to improve the presentation, help
18:13:55 <jcj_moz> JeffH: I went through and pulled out a list of all the attestation terms, and it's an amazing number
18:14:08 <jcj_moz> Rolf: What do people think about adding a figure to explain the attestation elements and how they're nested
18:14:15 <jcj_moz> ... How they all fit together.
18:14:26 <jcj_moz> JeffH: That's what I was thinking about, trying to figure out how it all nests
18:14:43 <jcj_moz> Rolf: I had to draw a picture while reading that thing. And if I had to do that, it's a good sign that we should
18:14:52 <jcj_moz> vgb: We could put that sketch in for starters
18:15:01 <jcj_moz> Rolf: What are the constraints about graphics?
18:15:11 <jcj_moz> vgb: We'll use SVG for presentation
18:15:23 <jcj_moz> Rolf: We don't require SVG's data to be hand-editable?
18:15:30 <jcj_moz> vgb: Right.
18:17:07 <jcj_moz> JeffH: So I'll work on this, this afternoon
18:18:30 <JeffH> pr #321 textual diff: http://kingsmountain.com/doc/diff/diff-webauthn-vgb-u2f-attestation-0d0fcea--from--master-6267cc1.pdf
18:18:47 <jcj_moz> Tony: Rolf's going to work on a diagram. Jeff and Alexei are going to give comments back. When do we think that we can close this? What we discussed last week was as soon as we can close this one, we want to publish a 4th draft
18:18:51 <JeffH> does not include further changes since this last weekdn
18:19:21 <jcj_moz> ... Given that we aren't going to meet next week - a bunch of us will be there in person to discuss this if need be, but I'd like to get some level of agreement amongst people at the meeting next week to push this to closure
18:19:32 <jcj_moz> JeffH: Something we've discussed in the past was to do WD updates more often
18:19:42 <jcj_moz> ... We don't have to take everything marked WD-04 to release WD-04
18:21:28 <jcj_moz> jcj_moz: Will finish review in next 12 hours
18:21:38 <jcj_moz> JeffH: Let's say publish the week after-next
18:21:54 <jcj_moz> Tony: I want to get the comments out there so we can discuss in person
18:22:01 <jcj_moz> ... That takes us out of PRs, so into issues?
18:24:47 <selfissued> Terminology matters!
18:25:28 <jcj_moz> Tony: Any issues out there hanging up implementation?
18:26:44 <jcj_moz> Angelo: <not really... the edge implementation is internal builds  (?)>
18:26:57 <jcj_moz> alexei: Google's is in the public, so you can follow along
18:27:04 <weiler> zakim, who's here?
18:27:04 <Zakim> Present: JefH, rbarnes, samsrinivas, jcj_moz, Rolf, vgb, weiler, nadalin, Kim, selfissued, apowers, angelo, Ketan
18:27:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see Ketan, apowers, selfissued, vgb, kpaulhamus, weiler, Rolf, samsrinivas, rbarnes, JeffH, Zakim, RRSAgent, schuki, jcj_moz, rrware, mkwst, adrianba, slightlyoff, hyojin,
18:27:06 <Zakim> ... wseltzer, trackbot, ted
18:27:11 <jcj_moz> Tony: jcj_moz - do you have hardware support yet?
18:27:13 <jcj_moz> jcj_moz: No.
18:27:16 <weiler> present+ alexei
18:28:49 <jcj_moz> Angelo: Should we start a milestone WD-05?
18:28:54 <jcj_moz> JeffH: I'll do that
18:29:07 <jcj_moz> vgb: I think some of the WD-04 isssues are done in PR 321.
18:29:50 <apowers> anyone want to approve my PR from November?
18:30:11 <apowers> https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pull/4120
18:30:21 <apowers> sorry, that's from October
18:30:51 <jcj_moz> apowers: I've posted Websec and the Privacy WG to the list for those interested
18:31:03 <weiler> s/apowers/weiler/
18:31:06 <jcj_moz> oops
18:31:33 <jcj_moz> Tony: OK, let's give you 30m back then
18:32:14 <weiler> Zakim, list participants
18:32:14 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been JefH, rbarnes, samsrinivas, jcj_moz, Rolf, vgb, weiler, nadalin, Kim, selfissued, apowers, angelo, Ketan, alexei
18:33:26 <weiler> RRSAgent, generate minutes
18:33:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/18-webauthn-minutes.html weiler
18:33:41 <weiler> RRSAgent, make log public
18:34:32 <weiler> Zakim, bye
18:34:32 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been JefH, rbarnes, samsrinivas, jcj_moz, Rolf, vgb, weiler, nadalin, Kim, selfissued, apowers, angelo, Ketan, alexei
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18:47:32 <wseltzer> ~/win 22