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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 18 January 2017
16:56:59 [janina]
agenda?
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agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
16:57:03 [janina]
agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
16:57:03 [janina]
agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
16:57:03 [janina]
agenda+ Media Accessibility in W3C Specs [See MAUR Redux below]
16:57:04 [janina]
agenda+ Action-2104 ARIA in HTML -- Michiel Bijl http://www.w3.org/tr/html-aria/
16:57:05 [janina]
agenda+ APA's Accessibility Checklist [See Below]
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agenda+ Input Events http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Nov/0005.html
16:57:11 [janina]
agenda+ Updating DOM--Any RFEs? https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-dom/2017JanMar/0000.html
16:57:14 [janina]
agenda+ Other Business
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agenda+ next and future meetings
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agenda+ be done
16:58:48 [MichielBijl]
present+
17:00:29 [janina]
regrets: Gottfried, John_Northrup, Leonie
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17:02:04 [joanie]
present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
17:03:25 [janina]
present+ Janina
17:03:47 [MichaelC]
present+
17:04:05 [JF]
Present+ JF
17:04:16 [MichielBijl]
scribe: MichielBijl
17:05:26 [MichielBijl]
zakim, next item
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agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
17:05:47 [MichielBijl]
JS: Any additions to agenda?
17:05:58 [MichielBijl]
JS: Any news for the good of the order?
17:06:05 [MichielBijl]
zakim, next item
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agendum 1 was just opened, MichielBijl
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zakim, close this item
17:06:18 [Zakim]
agendum 1 closed
17:06:19 [Zakim]
I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 [from janina]
17:06:22 [MichielBijl]
zakim, next item
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agendum 2. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
17:06:25 [tdrake]
present + tdrake
17:07:15 [MichielBijl]
action-2017
17:07:15 [trackbot]
action-2017 -- Fred Esch to Review activitypub https://www.w3.org/tr/activitypub/ -- due 2016-03-16 -- CLOSED
17:07:15 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2017
17:07:27 [ShaneM]
present+ ShaneM
17:07:43 [MichielBijl]
MC: remember we reviewed something a while back
17:07:56 [MichaelC]
action-2107 due 1 week
17:07:56 [trackbot]
Set action-2107 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/webcryptoapi/ web cryptography api due date to 2017-01-25.
17:07:58 [MichielBijl]
JS: Nothing like web cryptography in APA
17:08:10 [MichielBijl]
action-2104
17:08:10 [trackbot]
action-2104 -- Michiel Bijl to Review aria in html http://www.w3.org/tr/html-aria/ -- due 2017-01-11 -- OPEN
17:08:10 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2104
17:08:56 [JF]
MB: no apparent conflicts with the ARIA spec, but noted some issues with HTML spec
17:09:18 [MichaelC]
close action-2104
17:09:18 [trackbot]
Closed action-2104.
17:09:26 [JF]
Consulted with Steve Faulkner, recommends to file issues agaisnt HTML spec
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WAs mis-matches between roles defined
17:10:20 [MichielBijl]
action-2095
17:10:20 [trackbot]
action-2095 -- Jason White to Review web authentication https://www.w3.org/tr/webauthn/ -- due 2017-01-18 -- OPEN
17:10:20 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2095
17:10:32 [MichielBijl]
MC: will mark wiki as complete
17:10:41 [MichielBijl]
JS: taken up by RTQF
17:11:07 [MichielBijl]
MC: Don’t have a category for nor-abandoned nor-complete
17:11:10 [MichielBijl]
JS: We could
17:11:21 [MichaelC]
action-2095 due 1 year
17:11:21 [trackbot]
Set action-2095 Review web authentication https://www.w3.org/tr/webauthn/ due date to 2018-01-18.
17:11:24 [MichielBijl]
MC: Will say “defer action”
17:11:35 [MichielBijl]
action-2094
17:11:35 [trackbot]
action-2094 -- Janina Sajka to Review tv control api specification https://www.w3.org/tr/tvcontrol-api/ -- due 2017-01-11 -- OPEN
17:11:35 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2094
17:11:43 [MichielBijl]
JS: Still working on it
17:11:50 [MichielBijl]
JS: leave over due
17:11:55 [MichielBijl]
action-2052
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action-2052 -- Shane McCarron to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/shadow-dom/ shadow dom -- due 2016-09-28 -- OPEN
17:11:55 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2052
17:12:16 [MichielBijl]
SM: didn’t do it
17:12:27 [MichielBijl]
MC: Was published again on TR this week
17:12:37 [MichielBijl]
JS: All DOM specs are open for updating
17:13:28 [MichielBijl]
SM: Please leave it open, will contact Rich
17:13:35 [MichaelC]
action-2052 due 2 weeks
17:13:35 [trackbot]
Set action-2052 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/shadow-dom/ shadow dom due date to 2017-02-01.
17:13:45 [MichielBijl]
SM: Set for two weeks from now, will have update by then
17:14:22 [MichielBijl]
action-2086
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action-2086 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/input-events/ input events -- due 2016-09-28 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:14:22 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2086
17:14:39 [MichielBijl]
JS: Wanted to talk to Léonie about that
17:14:48 [MichielBijl]
JS: Might want to bring them to WP
17:15:00 [MichielBijl]
s/WP/Web Platforms/
17:15:09 [MichielBijl]
action-2062
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action-2062 -- Lisa Seeman to Re-review custom counter styles https://www.w3.org/tr/predefined-counter-styles/ -- due 2016-07-06 -- PENDINGREVIEW
17:15:09 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2062
17:15:28 [MichielBijl]
MC: We didn’t reassign the action
17:15:35 [MichielBijl]
TD: ??
17:15:45 [MichielBijl]
JS: Re-assign and give a couple of weeks
17:16:01 [MichielBijl]
MC: In July we said no further review needed, but never closed.
17:16:40 [MichielBijl]
MC: Will re-assign to ted with two weeks to go
17:16:46 [MichielBijl]
s/ted/Ted/
17:17:09 [MichielBijl]
MC: That’s it for action
17:17:13 [MichielBijl]
zakim, next item
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agendum 3. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
17:17:39 [MichielBijl]
MC: There seem to be no new publications of interest
17:17:56 [MichielBijl]
MC: There’re four specs with explicit review requests
17:18:11 [MichielBijl]
JS: Bunch of webpayments right?
17:18:14 [MichielBijl]
MC: Yeah, three
17:18:24 [MichielBijl]
SM: I’ve looked at it, nothing to do for us there
17:18:28 [MichaelC]
action-2100?
17:18:28 [trackbot]
action-2100 -- Shane McCarron to Review pubsub https://www.w3.org/tr/pubsub/ -- due 2017-01-26 -- OPEN
17:18:28 [trackbot]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2100
17:19:25 [MichielBijl]
MC: Also have a category for specs that are assigned but haven’t returned anything
17:20:48 [MichielBijl]
JS: At some point we need to look at community groups
17:20:59 [MichielBijl]
MC: Done with TR
17:21:02 [MichielBijl]
zakim, next item
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agendum 4. "Media Accessibility in W3C Specs" taken up [from See MAUR Redux below]
17:21:33 [MichielBijl]
JS: Ralph Swick?? will join us next week
17:21:53 [MichielBijl]
JS: We have a MAUR document to help us
17:22:16 [MichielBijl]
JS: We’ve been able to specify a whole lot of things via user requirements
17:22:35 [MichielBijl]
JS: We need to find a way that it gets appropriately address
17:22:44 [MichielBijl]
JS: Which comments need to go to who
17:23:01 [JF]
Q+ to note there are also some author requirements that have nothing to do with APIs
17:23:37 [MichielBijl]
JS: MAUR is a long read, would be nice to have a one and half page summary.
17:23:47 [MichielBijl]
JS: John is working on ??
17:24:09 [ShaneM]
I thought the checklist was updated right before the MAUR was published.... I sort of remember doing it
17:24:22 [MichielBijl]
JF: There is a disconnect between the MAUR and the checklist
17:24:50 [MichielBijl]
JF: Rebuilding reqs into a checklist
17:25:09 [MichielBijl]
JF: Would like feedback
17:25:18 [MichielBijl]
JF: Cross ref to WCAG 2.0
17:25:26 [MichielBijl]
JF: Something are infered through WCAG
17:25:32 [MichielBijl]
JF: Not explicitly called out
17:25:46 [MichielBijl]
JF: Some of that feedback needs to be fed back to WCAG WG.
17:26:02 [MichielBijl]
JF: Think we need to add note not necessarily normative
17:26:35 [MichielBijl]
JF: Open to any suggestions to things we need to track
17:27:00 [MichielBijl]
JF: It’s now hosted in the Wiki, is there somewhere else, more static, where we can host this?
17:27:06 [MichielBijl]
MC: We can come up with a place
17:27:42 [MichielBijl]
MC: If appropriate, we can take it to note track, mixed feeling about that, but we can solve it
17:27:52 [MichielBijl]
JF: At some point we want to get it out of the W3 wiki
17:27:58 [MichielBijl]
JF: Not overly fussy where
17:28:12 [MichielBijl]
JS: MAUR has a reference to it, so would have to edit that
17:28:18 [MichielBijl]
JF: Updating a link is not a problem
17:29:51 [MichielBijl]
JF: Let me do the hard work and we’ll figure out the paper work later
17:30:27 [MichielBijl]
JS: Should consider if there is enough new information to update the MAUR
17:31:59 [MichielBijl]
JS: Think we have a couple of small comments, maybe push to 1.2
17:32:26 [MichielBijl]
MC: While there is bureaucracy for updating notes, not as bad as RECs
17:34:04 [MichielBijl]
JF: The other thing, some of the author requirements have nothing to do with APIs
17:34:14 [MichielBijl]
JF: There are some other requirements as well
17:34:21 [MichielBijl]
JS: Should be made into best practices
17:34:26 [MichielBijl]
JF: Or advance to WCAG
17:34:42 [MichielBijl]
JS: If that’s the case I don’t care too much about which version.
17:35:01 [MichielBijl]
JS: Would be interested in POCs
17:35:09 [MichielBijl]
JF: Someone from BBC showed me some stuff
17:35:14 [MichielBijl]
JS: Would like to do that
17:35:31 [MichielBijl]
JS: If you have time before next meeting that’d be good
17:35:34 [MichielBijl]
zakim, next item
17:35:34 [Zakim]
I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, MichielBijl
17:35:38 [MichielBijl]
q-
17:35:42 [JF]
ack jf
17:35:42 [Zakim]
JF, you wanted to note there are also some author requirements that have nothing to do with APIs
17:35:42 [MichielBijl]
ack JF
17:35:53 [JF]
zakim, next item
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agendum 5. "Action-2104 ARIA in HTML -- Michiel Bijl http://www.w3.org/tr/html-aria/" taken up [from janina]
17:36:01 [JF]
scribe: JF
17:36:13 [JF]
MB: have done a review
17:36:28 [JF]
no real issues except for one item - a legacy issue
17:36:41 [JF]
there are a number of elements that are not currently iin alpha-order
17:36:54 [JF]
there is one issue however that is the section element
17:37:11 [MichielBijl]
https://github.com/w3c/html-aria/issues/64
17:37:23 [JF]
according to ARIA in HTML, it maps to region, but according to APG it has extra properties
17:37:36 [MichielBijl]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/239
17:37:36 [JF]
so there is a need for an update
17:37:54 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/18-apa-minutes.html MichaelC
17:38:01 [JF]
there are a number of differences between what is allowed in different documents
17:38:11 [JF]
Steve F. has requested that these differences be filed as bugs
17:38:30 [JF]
JS: a good list of items to follow up on
17:39:10 [JF]
JS: suspect that the ARIA group would be interested inthis as well, especially the discrepancies apparent
17:39:38 [JF]
JS: our wiki should have, at a minimum, pointers of what happened and a paper-trail back to github issues
17:39:53 [JF]
MB: hae a markdown file of issues noted, can be added to anywhere
17:39:59 [JF]
JS: can send it tomailing list
17:40:05 [JF]
MB: yes, can do that
17:40:34 [JF]
MB: has 3 categories of issues: ARIA in HTML issues, HTML issues, and one APG issue
17:40:45 [JF]
most issues are the descrepencies
17:41:11 [JF]
MB: so question is, where should post the issues?
17:41:17 [JF]
JB: definately on the ARIA list
17:41:31 [JF]
ACTION: Michiel to file issues, send out email to both lists
17:41:31 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-2109 - File issues, send out email to both lists [on Michiel Bijl - due 2017-01-25].
17:42:10 [MichaelC]
associate action-2109 with product-8
17:42:10 [trackbot]
action-2109 (File issues, send out email to both lists) associated with product-8.
17:42:30 [MichaelC]
action-2109?
17:42:30 [trackbot]
action-2109 -- Michiel Bijl to File issues, send out email to both lists -- due 2017-01-25 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2109
17:44:34 [JF]
agenda?
17:45:15 [MichielBijl]
zakim, next item
17:45:15 [Zakim]
agendum 6. "APA's Accessibility Checklist" taken up [from See Below]
17:46:19 [MichielBijl]
MC: No news since last week
17:46:20 [MichaelC]
-> http://w3c.github.io/pfwg/wtag/checklist.html Draft WTAG Checklist
17:46:35 [MichielBijl]
MC: I tried to make the checklist somewhat compelte
17:46:43 [MichielBijl]
s/compelte/complete/
17:47:10 [MichielBijl]
MC: It references relevant guidelines
17:47:33 [MichielBijl]
MC: I think the wording of these checklist items needs to be done
17:47:50 [MichielBijl]
MC: Were drafted so we would understand
17:47:59 [MichielBijl]
MC: A) Do we have the right sections
17:48:17 [MichielBijl]
MC: B) Are the checklist items appropriate for that section
17:48:24 [MichielBijl]
MC: Can send comments to the list
17:48:34 [MichielBijl]
MC: Can send PRs, but might be a little early for that
17:48:46 [MichielBijl]
MC: Might do restructure in coming weeks
17:48:52 [MichielBijl]
MC: Ralph wants this in April
17:49:07 [MichielBijl]
MC: Not sure yet when we want to publish final version
17:49:19 [MichielBijl]
MC: Over next month we’ll try to answer all those questions
17:49:28 [MichielBijl]
MC: Publish in APA rep or TR
17:49:39 [MichielBijl]
MC: These checklist items are just CSS
17:49:46 [MichielBijl]
MC: Would like to put in actual form
17:50:02 [MichielBijl]
MC: Would be able to submit and get a list of things you need to look at
17:50:19 [JF]
Q+
17:50:35 [MichielBijl]
JF: I see there are some gaps
17:50:40 [MichielBijl]
JF: Under the explanation column
17:50:44 [MichielBijl]
JF: Do you need help?
17:50:47 [MichielBijl]
MC: Yes!
17:50:56 [MichielBijl]
MC: Would be greatly appreciated
17:51:05 [MichielBijl]
MC: If people can offer content, that would be great
17:51:24 [MichielBijl]
MC: In short term e-mail is fine
17:51:41 [MichielBijl]
JF: Looking at media stuff here
17:51:53 [MichielBijl]
JF: Working on MAUR anyway, seems trivial to feed that to checklist
17:52:06 [MichielBijl]
MC: Did attempt to link to MAUR
17:52:25 [MichielBijl]
MC: Will fix contrast issue soon
17:52:39 [JF]
ack JF
17:56:12 [MichielBijl]
JF: target audiance is other WGs?
17:56:19 [MichielBijl]
MC: primary target audience yes
17:56:26 [MichielBijl]
s/audiance/audience/
17:56:53 [MichielBijl]
JS: Think we need to put on media hats
17:57:18 [MichielBijl]
Whatever different viewpoints we have
17:57:36 [MichielBijl]
Michael just noted that indeed you need to be able to send out to different devices
17:57:53 [MichielBijl]
MC: That’s the sort of stuff I want people to catch in their review
17:58:11 [MichielBijl]
Might be useful to look at overall web accessibility technology guidelines
17:58:16 [MichaelC]
-> http://w3c.github.io/pfwg/wtag/wtag.html Draft WTAG
17:58:21 [MichielBijl]
Nearly 2 year old draft at this point
17:58:28 [MichielBijl]
Went through it with PFWG at some point
18:00:03 [MichielBijl]
JS: plenty of work left!
18:00:15 [MichielBijl]
Any other comments or questions?
18:00:19 [MichielBijl]
We’re at the hour
18:00:41 [MichielBijl]
We’ll discuss input events when Léonie is here, we had some comments from Rich.
18:01:09 [MichielBijl]
Thanks all!
18:02:21 [MichielBijl]
RRSAgent, makeminutes
18:02:21 [RRSAgent]
I'm logging. I don't understand 'makeminutes', MichielBijl. Try /msg RRSAgent help
18:02:26 [MichielBijl]
RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/18-apa-minutes.html MichielBijl