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14:57:06 <Ian> Meeting: Web Payments Working Group
14:57:08 <Ian> Chair: Adrian
14:57:10 <Ian> Scribe: Ian
14:57:21 <Ian> Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20170112
14:57:32 <Ian> present+
14:57:37 <Ian> present+ Mathieu
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15:00:29 <Ian> present+ Pascal
15:00:33 <Ian> present+ Andre
15:00:47 <Ian> present+ Adam
15:00:48 <adamR> present+
15:01:24 <Ian> present+ Molly
15:01:37 <Ian> present+ AdrianHB
15:02:02 <Ian> present+ Matt
15:02:04 <Ian> present+ Alan
15:02:08 <Ian> present+ Rouslan
15:02:17 <Ian> zakim, who's here?
15:02:17 <Zakim> Present: Ian, Mathieu, Frank, Pascal, Andre, Adam, adamR, Molly, AdrianHB, Matt, Alan, Rouslan
15:02:19 <Zakim> On IRC I see frank, alyver, RRSAgent, Zakim, pascal_bazin, betehess, adamlake, schuki, collier-matthew, oyiptong, nicktr, davidillsley_, adamR, manu, ShaneM, AdrianHB, slightlyoff,
15:02:19 <Zakim> ... mkwst, hyojin, JakeA, adrianba, emschwartz, Dongwoo, dlongley, dlehn, Ian, trackbot
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15:02:38 <Ian> agenda => https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20170112
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15:03:24 <Ian> topic: Introductions
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15:03:41 <MattS> present+ MattS
15:03:42 <Ian> [Molly from Microsoft]
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15:03:55 <Ian> Molly: I will work with AdrianB during the next few months
15:04:07 <Ian> [Mathieu from Google]
15:04:19 <Ian> Mathieu: Implementing the spec
15:04:31 <Ian> regrets+ Nick Telford-Reed
15:05:08 <Ian> topic: Payment Method Identifier
15:05:21 <Ian> AdrianHB: I have not finished my action item; will aim to do that by next call
15:05:42 <Ian> (Nick's action re: short strings not done)
15:05:45 <Ian> Topic: Basic Card
15:05:53 <adrianba> Regrets+ zkoch
15:06:19 <AdrianHB> ian: short agenda so if AOB please let us know
15:06:26 <rouslan> present+
15:06:26 <Ian> present+ adrianba_remotely
15:06:48 <rouslan> q+
15:07:02 <Ian> Issue 20: https://github.com/w3c/webpayments-methods-card/issues/20
15:07:22 <Ian> Rouslan: there was a question about who should do validation; the answer we came up with was "payment app", and in another process
15:07:38 <Ian> ..so we closed the issue with the conclusion that payment apps should validate data
15:07:51 <adamR> +1 to the conclusion
15:07:59 <AdrianHB> +1 to conclusion
15:08:03 <mathp> present+
15:08:16 <adrianba> +1
15:08:23 <rouslan> q+ to talk about basic-card status in CHrome
15:08:24 <Ian> (IJ reminder - I have an action to create a file of network short strings...and the emvco topic is about trademark questions)
15:08:41 <Ian> IJ: Is there anything else in basic card that needs to happen?
15:08:43 <Ian> ack rous
15:08:43 <Zakim> rouslan, you wanted to talk about basic-card status in CHrome
15:09:16 <Ian> rouslan: I don't think more needs to happen. Since Chrome 57 we have full implementation of basic card spec (with "basic-card" and filters in payment method specific data)
15:10:01 <Ian> IJ: What should the data about network names look like in an external file? E.g., one string per line?
15:10:04 <Ian> Rouslan: Seems reasonable
15:10:19 <AdrianHB> q+ to ask status of W3C hosting registry
15:10:23 <Ian> ack Ad
15:10:23 <Zakim> AdrianHB, you wanted to ask status of W3C hosting registry
15:11:42 <Ian> topic: Other Payment Method Specifications
15:11:58 <Ian> Tokenized Payments => https://w3c.github.io/webpayments/proposals/tokenized_cards.html
15:12:04 <Ian> present+ Roy
15:14:08 <Ian> IJ: Near end of month we'll have a revised spec
15:14:56 <Ian> ...editors meet next on 24 Jan
15:15:08 <Ian> Credit Transfer
15:15:09 <Ian> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-payments-wg/2017Jan/0007.html
15:15:29 <Ian>  http://w3c.github.io/webpayments-methods-credit-transfer-direct-debit/
15:15:33 <AdrianHB> ian: I announced a recent update. We have another significant edit planned
15:15:40 <AdrianHB> ... started as a SEPA oriented spec
15:16:01 <AdrianHB> ... has simplified to generic credit transfer per matts suggestion
15:16:40 <AdrianHB> ... vkuntz is evaluating against SWIFT CGI for common field names etc
15:16:49 <AdrianHB> ... working rev and then will bring back to WG
15:17:04 <AdrianHB> ... need input from implementors on demand for these specs
15:17:39 <AdrianHB> ... filter plus datastructure approach for specs seems to be working well
15:17:56 <AdrianHB> ... expectation for basic card is that it will be a WG note (not a spec)
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15:18:13 <AdrianHB> ... there may be friction if we want to change that
15:19:05 <AdrianHB> ... one observation from credit transfer spec is that we thought we'd have a network list but evolved to be a country list for filtering
15:19:23 <AdrianHB> ... comments welcome on spec repo
15:19:36 <Ian> Payment method good practice => https://w3c.github.io/webpayments/proposals/method-practice/
15:19:42 <AdrianHB> topic: Payment Method Best practice
15:19:54 <AdrianHB> ian: i've been trying to track best practice
15:20:09 <AdrianHB> ... started with max but not sure yet how useful it is until more people look at it
15:20:30 <AdrianHB> ... includes topics like versioning, UI etc. Informal now but may be more visible as NOTE in future
15:21:24 <Ian> Topic: Facebook deployment
15:21:59 <Ian> Roy: We are experimenting with the payment app spec and payment request API (as a mediator) in a mobile browser experience.
15:22:11 <Ian> => https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-payments-wg/2016Dec/0054.html
15:22:28 <Ian> Roy: This is all experimentation at this point; we will bring feedback back to the group (e.g., via the repo)
15:22:38 <rouslan> q+
15:22:52 <Ian> AdrianHB: How would the FB mediator differ from the browser experience?
15:22:55 <Ian> Roy: Stay tuned for more detail.
15:23:00 <Ian> ack rous
15:23:23 <Ian> rouslan: Thanks for this news, Roy. Are you implementing through Webview? Opera (I believe) is interested in that was well.
15:23:47 <Ian> Roy: Thanks for letting me know
15:23:55 <Ian> present+ Olivier
15:24:01 <Ian> present+ dezell
15:24:09 <dezell> present+ dezell
15:24:13 <Ian> AdrianHB: It would be good to get feedback into the payment apps task force
15:24:36 <Ian> Topic: Payment Apps
15:24:56 <AdrianHB> ian: Tf has been meeting weekly
15:25:02 <AdrianHB> ... making good progress on the spec
15:25:06 <Ian> https://w3c.github.io/webpayments-payment-apps-api/
15:25:38 <AdrianHB> ... expectation is to deal with 3-4 topics (clean up and resolve some q's)
15:25:52 <AdrianHB> ... then bring to group for further review
15:26:04 <AdrianHB> ... then CfC to publish FPWD
15:26:16 <adamR> q+
15:26:18 <AdrianHB> ... will be brining to Wg around end of January
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15:26:31 <Ian> ack adam
15:26:37 <AdrianHB> ... worst case we'd deal with blockers at FTF and publish
15:26:48 <Ian> adamR: We are probably also going to propose how to specify syntactically "recommended apps"
15:27:14 <AdrianHB> ian: the spec is uniquely mature for a pre-FPWD
15:27:25 <AdrianHB> ... which is not to say it good but it has a lot of detail
15:27:39 <AdrianHB> ... even more reason to get more review
15:27:40 <adamR> q+
15:27:58 <AdrianHB> ... we already have some implementors which is great and indicates we're heading in a good direction
15:28:31 <AdrianHB> ... main reason to move to FPWD is the Wg felt we need to be further along with this to be sure Payment Req won't change after CR
15:28:40 <AdrianHB> ... good F2F discussion
15:29:07 <Ian> AdamR: We should also get this spec out to web developer audience sooner rather than later
15:29:16 <Ian> ...I'd be happier going to FPWD before march
15:29:25 <AdrianHB> +1
15:29:32 <Ian> ...that way we can have larger conversations more easily
15:29:41 <Ian> q?
15:29:43 <Ian> ack ad
15:30:14 <Ian> adrianhb: +1 to FPWD sooner
15:31:11 <AdrianHB> ian: discussion has dealt with lots of balancing of merchant and user reqs
15:31:18 <AdrianHB> ... hence taking some time
15:31:24 <AdrianHB> ... comments welcome
15:31:30 <Ian> Topic: Meetings
15:31:42 <Ian> next teleconference: 19 January
15:32:17 <Ian> topic: FTF meeting
15:32:19 <Ian> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/83744/wpwg-201703/
15:32:25 <AdrianHB> ian: registration is open
15:32:33 <AdrianHB> ... 14 so far
15:32:44 <AdrianHB> ... date is 23-24 March in Chicago
15:32:53 <AdrianHB> ... IG may meet on 22 March
15:33:01 <Ian> "1871"
15:33:08 <AdrianHB> ... visited space and looks like it will be great
15:33:48 <AdrianHB> ... trying to organize a dinner at a local restaurant
15:34:25 <AdrianHB> ... q1: food in the room or outside?
15:34:42 <AdrianHB> Outside please :)
15:34:45 <Ian> They would like "Participant name/affiliation/title"
15:34:48 <adamR> For the record, I’m agnostic on the food question. :)
15:34:54 <oyiptong> outside++
15:35:26 <Ian> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/FTF-March2017
15:36:15 <AdrianHB> ... IETF meets the following week, and have a hotel list: https://www.ietf.org/meeting/98/hotel.html
15:36:22 <AdrianHB> ... feel free to edit agenda
15:36:50 <Ian> Topic: Recent edits to PR API?
15:36:53 <Ian> IJ: Anything to note in particular?
15:37:48 <Ian> Roy: Editors met yesterday. I don't think anything substantial to signal
15:37:56 <Ian> ...alignment of specs with implementations
15:38:17 <Ian> Topic: Merchant adoption meeting
15:38:22 <Ian> 20 January at noon ET
15:38:38 <Ian> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Adoption2017
15:38:42 <AdrianHB> q+ to share dial in details for payment app dev meeting in 20 mins
15:39:53 <Ian> IJ: Please bring to the call your experiences in merchant outreach and what would make it easier
15:39:58 <Ian> topic: App developer call upcoming
15:40:38 <Ian> AdrianHB: Goal there is for payment app devs to sync up
15:40:49 <Ian> rrsagent, make minutes
15:40:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/12-wpwg-minutes.html Ian
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