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16:30:44 <ted> Present+ Ted
16:33:32 <kaz> prensent+ Kaz, PatrickL, PhilippeR, QingAn, Ryan, Wonsuk
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16:36:12 <kaz> Meeting: Automotive BG
16:36:35 <kaz> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-autowebplatform/2017Jan/0001.html
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16:37:57 <kaz> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-autowebplatform/2017Jan/0001.html
16:38:00 <kaz> topic: agenda
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16:38:13 <kaz> wl: LBS update from QingAn first
16:38:23 <kaz> topic: LBS update
16:38:38 <kaz> qa: trying to organize LBS work
16:39:10 <kaz> ... discussion for upcoming meetings
16:39:21 <kaz> wl: could you please clarify your plan?
16:39:38 <kaz> qa: maybe need some support from Philippe Colliot from Genivi
16:39:53 <kaz> ... will talk with him offline
16:40:26 <kaz> ... plus thinking to start draft document on GitHub or somewhere
16:40:36 <kaz> wl: that's possible
16:40:44 <kaz> ... we have GitHub
16:40:59 <kaz> ... would be better to use that
16:41:12 <kaz> ... maybe we need to create a sub directory for LBS?
16:41:15 <kaz> qa: yes
16:41:25 <kaz> ... restructure the structure
16:41:49 <kaz> wl: if you have some sub directory within our GitHub, please create a README.md to introduce your work
16:42:03 <kaz> ... including roadmap etc.
16:42:12 <kaz> ... would be great for the group
16:42:17 <kaz> qa: ok. will do
16:42:27 <kaz> wl: any comments?
16:42:53 <kaz> ac: if we create a list of interest
16:43:00 <kaz> ... a high level list
16:43:04 <kaz> s/if/what if/
16:43:14 <kaz> qa: high-level description?
16:43:17 <kaz> ac: yes
16:43:29 <kaz> qa: maybe some diagram would be helpful as well
16:43:31 <kaz> ac: yes
16:44:01 <kaz> topic: Media tuner
16:44:06 <kaz> wl: next media tuner
16:44:22 <kaz> ... Ryan?
16:44:47 <kaz> rd: working with the TV Control API WG
16:44:56 <kaz> ... also we have Viwi proposal now
16:45:22 <rdavis> https://www.w3.org/community/autowebplatform/wiki/images/d/d8/Mediatuner_Resource_approach.pptx
16:45:29 <kaz> ... recently, I posted a media resource approach proposal
16:45:44 <ted> q+
16:46:13 <kaz> ... disability of resources
16:46:26 <kaz> ... still discussion on the TV group list
16:46:38 <kaz> ... looking at more RESTful approach as well
16:46:48 <kaz> s/as well//
16:46:59 <kaz> ... briefly reviewed the Viwi proposal
16:47:30 <kaz> ... bringing up some specific use cases
16:47:41 <kaz> pl: feel free to contact PatrickB and me
16:47:51 <ted> q-
16:48:07 <kaz> pb: we have a lot of more definitions
16:48:23 <kaz> ... we have some experience on different topics on tuner capability
16:48:32 <kaz> ... so don't hesitate to talk with us
16:48:41 <kaz> wl: tx, Ryan and Patricks
16:49:10 <kaz> ... want to ask Patricks if you can join the media tf
16:49:29 <kaz> ... so that you can talk about the media tuner topic with Ryan more closely
16:49:39 <kaz> pl: of course
16:49:42 <kaz> pb: ok
16:49:44 <kaz> wl: great
16:49:57 <kaz> ... any comments?
16:50:17 <kaz> ... one question from me
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16:50:53 <kaz> ... some kind of roadmap for the media tuner work as well
16:51:15 <kaz> ... good to clarify roadmaps for all our work items
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16:52:02 <kaz> ... Ryan, do you have any roadmap information handy?
16:52:13 <kaz> rd: we have a media tuner wiki page
16:52:34 <kaz> ... we need to look at that again
16:52:35 <rdavis> https://www.w3.org/community/autowebplatform/wiki/Main_Page/MediaTunerTaskForce
16:52:58 <ted> q+
16:53:16 <kaz> wl: Patricks would like to join the media tf, so good to update the page
16:53:18 <kaz> q?
16:53:20 <kaz> ack t
16:53:43 <kaz> tg: thank you for your work, Ryan
16:53:58 <kaz> ... trying to get more people for the media tuner work
16:54:38 <kaz> ... feel free to hold a dedicated call for the TF if needed
16:54:48 <kaz> ... Kaz and I can set it up
16:55:00 <kaz> wl: tx
16:55:14 <kaz> ... any comments?
16:55:18 <ted> [also happy to join as many of these breakout tf meetings as i can]
16:55:27 <kaz> +1 :)
16:55:38 <kaz> topic: Viwi proposal
16:55:51 <kaz> wl: we got VIWI proposal
16:56:04 <kaz> ... as Ted sent to the group, we need to investigate more
16:56:18 <kaz> ... might want to create a TF
16:56:23 <ted> -> https://www.w3.org/community/autowebplatform/wiki/ViWi coordination wiki for ViWi
16:56:36 <kaz> ... also might want to have a dedicated TF call for that
16:56:48 <kaz> pl: sounds good :)
16:57:16 <kaz> wl: we need to create a page for that
16:57:23 <kaz> ... and clarify the roadmap
16:57:43 <kaz> ... document of our review for the VIWI proposal
16:58:04 <kaz> ... any comments?
16:58:29 <ted> q+
16:58:31 <kaz> rd: what is the point for the review?
16:59:09 <kaz> pl: what we propose already works
16:59:37 <ted> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-automotive/2016Nov/0004.html proposed path from Rudi
16:59:59 <kaz> ... good idea to compare use cases for the two kinds of interface, W3C Automotive and VIWI
17:00:03 <kaz> rd: ok
17:00:08 <kaz> q?
17:00:34 <kaz> tg: Rudi's proposal (link above)
17:01:05 <kaz> ... test, transition plan, etc.
17:01:17 <kaz> ... we'll start discussion on the architecture
17:01:45 <kaz> ... also have some architecture critics from some Member
17:02:35 <kaz> ... VIWI proposal include HTTP and WebSocket
17:03:34 <kaz> ... there is the TAG within W3C which works on architectural design for Web technology
17:03:46 <kaz> rd: tx for your information
17:03:58 <kaz> wl: any other question?
17:04:13 <kaz> pb: how do we want to proceed?
17:04:23 <kaz> ... protocol comparison
17:04:42 <kaz> tg: this BG call handles high-level discussion
17:04:57 <kaz> ... detailed discussion should be handled by the TF
17:05:04 <kaz> ... e.g., based on the use cases
17:05:34 <kaz> ... can get availability of people using Doodle, etc.
17:05:44 <kaz> s/availability/availability for the TF call/
17:05:54 <kaz> pb: ok
17:06:06 <kaz> wl: Ted, you've already made a page for the VIWI TF
17:06:19 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/community/autowebplatform/wiki/ViWi VIWI TF page
17:06:41 <kaz> td: people can join the TF
17:06:56 <kaz> ... we can find a time which works for the participants
17:07:13 <kaz> ... can get quick indication of availability using Doodle
17:07:38 <kaz> wl: how about sending another email to get feedback on people's interest
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17:08:48 <kaz> tg: will send out a Doodle poll
17:08:57 <kaz> q+
17:09:11 <kaz> ack t
17:09:33 <PatrickLue> Tuesdays somewhere around the other calls
17:09:52 <PatrickLue> Mondays as well
17:09:59 <kaz> tg: thinks both the Patricks and Adam are interested in the TF
17:10:31 <kaz> ... will send a Doodle concentrating on Mondays based on people's availability
17:11:07 <kaz> pb: would be good to involve non-automotive people as well
17:11:11 <kaz> tg: yes
17:12:15 <kaz> ... maybe every other week or once a week
17:13:29 <kaz> ka: @@@
17:13:59 <kaz> ... also we need to clarify the moderator for the TF as well
17:14:38 <kaz> s/@@@/maybe it would be better to prepare a doodle poll not only for Mondays but all for the 5 days to make sure/
17:15:13 <kaz> wl: any other topics?
17:15:26 <kaz> ... we need to keep gathering use cases and discuss them
17:15:41 <kaz> present+ Rudi
17:16:00 <kaz> wl: would like to get feedback from you
17:16:03 <kaz> q+
17:16:27 <ted> kaz: Paul generated a list of topics and perhaps we can revisit that list
17:16:29 <ted> q+
17:16:33 <kaz> ack k
17:17:05 <kaz> -> @@@ paul's topics
17:17:21 <kaz> ack t
17:17:44 <kaz> tg: topics of interest include payments
17:18:00 <kaz> ... had a joint meeting during TPAC
17:18:12 <kaz> ... payments from automotive
17:18:17 <kaz> present+ Paul
17:18:53 <kaz> ... would very much appreciate if you could introduce your managers, partners, etc.
17:19:13 <kaz> ... to get auto-centric use cases
17:19:44 <kaz> ... please introduce me to people appropriate in your organizations
17:20:09 <kaz> wl: would like to show a video
17:20:34 <kaz> ... OCF Automotive project
17:20:53 <kaz> ... to make a standard for communication between automotive and IoT
17:20:57 <wonsuk_> https://youtu.be/V_r3L1b5qs8
17:21:00 <kaz> ... we made a demo and showed it at CES
17:21:11 <kaz> ... link above
17:21:15 <kaz> ... please take a look
17:21:37 <kaz> ... any other topics for today?
17:21:38 <kaz> (none)
17:21:54 <kaz> present+ Urata
17:21:57 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
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