IRC log of auto on 2017-01-10

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16:30:44 [ted]
Present+ Ted
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prensent+ Kaz, PatrickL, PhilippeR, QingAn, Ryan, Wonsuk
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present+ PatrickB
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present+ Adam
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Meeting: Automotive BG
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-autowebplatform/2017Jan/0001.html
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-autowebplatform/2017Jan/0001.html
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topic: agenda
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wl: LBS update from QingAn first
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topic: LBS update
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qa: trying to organize LBS work
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... discussion for upcoming meetings
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wl: could you please clarify your plan?
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qa: maybe need some support from Philippe Colliot from Genivi
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... will talk with him offline
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... plus thinking to start draft document on GitHub or somewhere
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wl: that's possible
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... we have GitHub
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... would be better to use that
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... maybe we need to create a sub directory for LBS?
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qa: yes
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... restructure the structure
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wl: if you have some sub directory within our GitHub, please create a README.md to introduce your work
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... including roadmap etc.
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... would be great for the group
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qa: ok. will do
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wl: any comments?
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ac: if we create a list of interest
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... a high level list
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s/if/what if/
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qa: high-level description?
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ac: yes
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qa: maybe some diagram would be helpful as well
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ac: yes
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topic: Media tuner
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wl: next media tuner
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... Ryan?
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rd: working with the TV Control API WG
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... also we have Viwi proposal now
16:45:22 [rdavis]
https://www.w3.org/community/autowebplatform/wiki/images/d/d8/Mediatuner_Resource_approach.pptx
16:45:29 [kaz]
... recently, I posted a media resource approach proposal
16:45:44 [ted]
q+
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... disability of resources
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... still discussion on the TV group list
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... looking at more RESTful approach as well
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s/as well//
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... briefly reviewed the Viwi proposal
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... bringing up some specific use cases
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pl: feel free to contact PatrickB and me
16:47:51 [ted]
q-
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pb: we have a lot of more definitions
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... we have some experience on different topics on tuner capability
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... so don't hesitate to talk with us
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wl: tx, Ryan and Patricks
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... want to ask Patricks if you can join the media tf
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... so that you can talk about the media tuner topic with Ryan more closely
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pl: of course
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pb: ok
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wl: great
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... any comments?
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... one question from me
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... some kind of roadmap for the media tuner work as well
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... good to clarify roadmaps for all our work items
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... Ryan, do you have any roadmap information handy?
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rd: we have a media tuner wiki page
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... we need to look at that again
16:52:35 [rdavis]
https://www.w3.org/community/autowebplatform/wiki/Main_Page/MediaTunerTaskForce
16:52:58 [ted]
q+
16:53:16 [kaz]
wl: Patricks would like to join the media tf, so good to update the page
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q?
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ack t
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tg: thank you for your work, Ryan
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... trying to get more people for the media tuner work
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... feel free to hold a dedicated call for the TF if needed
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... Kaz and I can set it up
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wl: tx
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... any comments?
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[also happy to join as many of these breakout tf meetings as i can]
16:55:27 [kaz]
+1 :)
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topic: Viwi proposal
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wl: we got VIWI proposal
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... as Ted sent to the group, we need to investigate more
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... might want to create a TF
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-> https://www.w3.org/community/autowebplatform/wiki/ViWi coordination wiki for ViWi
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... also might want to have a dedicated TF call for that
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pl: sounds good :)
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wl: we need to create a page for that
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... and clarify the roadmap
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... document of our review for the VIWI proposal
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... any comments?
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q+
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rd: what is the point for the review?
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pl: what we propose already works
16:59:37 [ted]
-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-automotive/2016Nov/0004.html proposed path from Rudi
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... good idea to compare use cases for the two kinds of interface, W3C Automotive and VIWI
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rd: ok
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q?
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tg: Rudi's proposal (link above)
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... test, transition plan, etc.
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... we'll start discussion on the architecture
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... also have some architecture critics from some Member
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... VIWI proposal include HTTP and WebSocket
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... there is the TAG within W3C which works on architectural design for Web technology
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rd: tx for your information
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wl: any other question?
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pb: how do we want to proceed?
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... protocol comparison
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tg: this BG call handles high-level discussion
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... detailed discussion should be handled by the TF
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... e.g., based on the use cases
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... can get availability of people using Doodle, etc.
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s/availability/availability for the TF call/
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pb: ok
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wl: Ted, you've already made a page for the VIWI TF
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-> https://www.w3.org/community/autowebplatform/wiki/ViWi VIWI TF page
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td: people can join the TF
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... we can find a time which works for the participants
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... can get quick indication of availability using Doodle
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wl: how about sending another email to get feedback on people's interest
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tg: will send out a Doodle poll
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q+
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ack t
17:09:33 [PatrickLue]
Tuesdays somewhere around the other calls
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Mondays as well
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tg: thinks both the Patricks and Adam are interested in the TF
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... will send a Doodle concentrating on Mondays based on people's availability
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pb: would be good to involve non-automotive people as well
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tg: yes
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... maybe every other week or once a week
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ka: @@@
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... also we need to clarify the moderator for the TF as well
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s/@@@/maybe it would be better to prepare a doodle poll not only for Mondays but all for the 5 days to make sure/
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wl: any other topics?
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... we need to keep gathering use cases and discuss them
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present+ Rudi
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wl: would like to get feedback from you
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q+
17:16:27 [ted]
kaz: Paul generated a list of topics and perhaps we can revisit that list
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q+
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ack k
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-> @@@ paul's topics
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ack t
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tg: topics of interest include payments
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... had a joint meeting during TPAC
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... payments from automotive
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present+ Paul
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... would very much appreciate if you could introduce your managers, partners, etc.
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... to get auto-centric use cases
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... please introduce me to people appropriate in your organizations
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wl: would like to show a video
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... OCF Automotive project
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... to make a standard for communication between automotive and IoT
17:20:57 [wonsuk_]
https://youtu.be/V_r3L1b5qs8
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... we made a demo and showed it at CES
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... link above
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... please take a look
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... any other topics for today?
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(none)
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present+ Urata
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[ adjourned ]
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