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16:49:42 <Ian> Chair: Linda
16:49:44 <Ian> Scribe: Ian
16:49:46 <Ian> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digitaloffers/2017Jan/0001.html
16:49:55 <Ian> Meeting: Digital Offers Community Group
16:49:57 <Ian> agenda?
16:50:11 <Ian> agenda+ updates to discussion topics
16:50:16 <Ian> agenda+ deliverables review
16:50:19 <Ian> agenda+ example use case
16:50:24 <Ian> agenda+ assignment of use cases
16:50:27 <Ian> agenda+ next meeting
16:58:51 <Adam_> present+ Adam_
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17:07:12 <Brian> present+ Brian
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17:07:18 <dezell> present+ dezell
17:07:29 <Kylie_Davies> present+
17:07:33 <Ian> agenda?
17:08:22 <Ian> zakim, take up item 1
17:08:22 <Zakim> agendum 1. "updates to discussion topics" taken up [from Ian]
17:08:39 <Ian> zakim, take up item 2
17:08:39 <Zakim> agendum 2. "deliverables review" taken up [from Ian]
17:08:59 <Ian> ltoth: After discussion with dezell we felt we needed 3 deliverables:
17:09:01 <Ian>  - use case
17:09:05 <Ian> - use cases
17:09:07 <Ian> q+
17:09:13 <dezell> q+
17:09:42 <jheuer> * can u link to the discussion page plz?
17:09:44 <Ian> - recommended implementation
17:09:50 <Ian> Discussion topics -> https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/Main_Page/DigitalOffers2016#Initial_Discussion_Topics
17:10:00 <Ian> ian: what is a "recommended implementation"?
17:10:33 <Ian> dezell: I am referring to getting implementation experience
17:10:47 <Ian> https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/Main_Page/DigitalOffers2016#Timeline
17:12:10 <Ian> IJ: we definitely want implementation experience, but that's 9-12 months from now
17:12:22 <Ian> ...in our timeline we refer to "incubated specification:
17:12:26 <Ian> ltoth: Third thing was a WG charter
17:12:40 <Ian> (IJ: I also think a draft charter is months and months away)
17:12:47 <Ian> zakim, take up item 3
17:12:47 <Zakim> agendum 3. "example use case" taken up [from Ian]
17:12:57 <Ian> https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/Main_Page/DigitalOffers2016#Management_and_Distribution
17:13:40 <Ian> https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/Main_Page/DigitalOffers2016#Multi-tender_Payments_-_Combining_Coupons_and_Money
17:15:02 <Ian> [Linda reviews the two use case drafts]
17:15:43 <dezell> q+
17:16:09 <dezell> ack Ian
17:16:12 <ed_> q+
17:16:21 <Ian> q-
17:16:21 <Ian> ack dezell
17:16:37 <Ian> dezell: Thank you, ltoth, for the example
17:17:33 <Ian> dezell: We need perhaps to distinguish whether the offer comes from a merchant or a distributor
17:18:26 <Ian> IJ: How does the source of the coupon affect combining coupons and other forms of payment?
17:18:49 <Ian> dezell: In the case of a merchant, I can do things like change the transaction amount before payment happens.
17:18:59 <Ian> ...in that case it's not really a multi-tender payment.
17:19:42 <Ian> IJ: +1 to calling out explicitly that the use case of "changing transaction amount" is NOT part of multi-tender payment
17:19:45 <dezell> q?
17:19:48 <dezell> ack e
17:20:21 <Ian> Use cases doc: https://www.w3.org/TR/web-payments-use-cases/
17:20:25 <Ian> q?
17:20:43 <jheuer> q+ to talk about security and cross-implications to how offers are communicated
17:21:15 <ShaneM> +1 on what Ian said - I wrote a lot of that stuff and it is unique to the W3C
17:21:55 <dezell> q+
17:22:18 <Adam_> where are the Digital Offers problem statements being referenced?
17:22:44 <Kylie_Davies> https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/Main_Page/DigitalOffers2016#Initial_Discussion_Topics
17:22:46 <Kylie_Davies> Adam
17:23:30 <Ian> IJ: +1 to not being formal yet; just writing down things as Linda has, and evolving from there.
17:24:21 <dezell> q?
17:24:28 <Ian> ed: Can we take a step further than the example; do we want to enumerate systems or parties involved?
17:25:27 <Ian> IJ: +1 to experimenting with what you feel would help achieve shared understanding
17:25:28 <Ian> ack jh
17:25:28 <Zakim> jheuer, you wanted to talk about security and cross-implications to how offers are communicated
17:25:33 <Ian> jheuer: +1 to these examples
17:25:45 <Ian> ..it's also good to give a feel for what it will feel like when implemented.
17:25:59 <Ian> ...and ideally there are improvements from a variety of viewpoints (e.g., merchant POV, consumer POV)
17:26:29 <Ian> ...I think, for example, that improved security would be an improvement in these processes
17:27:57 <Ian> dezell: +1 to Ian's comments
17:28:01 <ltoth> ack dezell
17:28:10 <Ian> ...I think the main mission we are on at this stage of the CG's life is to understand one another.
17:28:28 <Ian> q+
17:31:10 <Ian> IJ: What's the diff between use case 1 and 2?
17:31:17 <Ian> ltoth: 1 is online, 2 at a store
17:33:16 <Ian> https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/Main_Page/DigitalOffers2016#Multi-tender_Payments_-_Combining_Coupons_and_Money
17:34:51 <Ian> [IJ edits in real time; updates based on conversation]
17:34:51 <dezell> q+
17:34:54 <Ian> ack me
17:35:11 <Ian> ltoth: I'd like to allocate different topics to people who would volunteer to add the use cases
17:35:16 <Ian> ack dezell
17:36:00 <Ian> dezell: Any other variations for multi-tender to discuss today?
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17:36:51 <Adam> q
17:37:40 <dezell> Ian: the heart of the use case is "at the time of payment, I can choose and redeem an offer."
17:38:33 <dezell> Ian: question for the group - are there use cases with commonality in their flows.  Factoring those out can really help.
17:38:36 <Ian> q+ Adam
17:38:38 <Ian> ack Adam
17:38:50 <Ian> https://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/wiki/Main_Page/DigitalOffers2016#Multi-tender_Payments_-_Combining_Coupons_and_Money
17:39:06 <ShaneM> remember that stories like this have additional "seasoning" to make it interesting.  Like a word problem from 7th grade math.
17:39:14 <Ian> " During checkout, customers would like to choose combinations of payment methods and digital offers to "get the best deal."
17:40:10 <Ian> Adam: How do we gather them?
17:40:14 <Ian> (Everyone can write in the wiki!)
17:40:59 <dezell> Ian: logistical point - this wiki is available to the IG.  We need to move this into CG space.
17:41:17 <Ian> IJ: Should I move the stuff into the CG?
17:41:20 <Ian> s/CG/wiki?
17:41:24 <dezell> q?
17:41:29 <dezell> +1
17:41:44 <Ian> ACTION: Ian to create a CG wiki and migrate the IG stuff there (leaving a pointer from the IG wiki to the CG wiki)
17:42:32 <Ian> [On whether wiki is ok for people]
17:42:42 <Ian> ltoth: I think it's straightforward to use the wiki.
17:43:06 <Ian> IJ: I can help people get started
17:43:27 <Ian> ltoth: Any volunteers to write down some use cases?
17:43:42 <Ian> ...or i can assign sections
17:43:59 <Adam> I want to participate in developing use cases
17:44:22 <ShaneM> I am interested in capturing some scenarios
17:44:24 <dezell> q+
17:44:40 <Ian> jheuer: +1 to how Linda added her use cases
17:45:36 <Ian> ..but I would like to be able to include use cases without categorization
17:45:58 <ShaneM> +1 to adding a miscellaneous section so you can throw in whatever and we can categorze it later
17:46:15 <Ian> +1 to misc
17:46:50 <Adam> what about a separate use cases section?
17:47:09 <Adam> +1 to misc section
17:47:24 <Kylie_Davies> Happy to submit into a misc section too for review during next call +1
17:47:53 <Ian> ACTION: Ian will add a misc section to the wiki in the CG's wiki
17:47:54 <ed_> q+
17:48:53 <Ian> (I will migrate the material tomorrow morning)
17:49:31 <Ian> dezell: Should people sign their use cases?
17:49:37 <Ian> IJ: No objection; history records edits
17:50:00 <Ian> dezell: May make it easier to find out who is leading the charge on a use case.
17:50:14 <Adam> Maybe we could by default add the use cases to the MISC section and decide on integrating them into the rest of the document as a group.
17:50:31 <dezell> q?
17:50:33 <dezell> ack d
17:50:33 <Ian> ltoth: Do we want to label what's draft and what's approved?
17:50:54 <Ian> q+ to ask what "approved" means
17:51:07 <Ian> ed_: I will work on some use cases under user action
17:51:09 <Ian> ack me
17:51:09 <Zakim> Ian, you wanted to ask what "approved" means
17:51:18 <dezell> ack ed
17:51:43 <Ian> IJ: What does "approved" mean?
17:52:00 <Ian> ltoth: I think it means "there is consensus on the language and to include it"
17:52:35 <dezell> IJ: I'll add a mini-policy section to the new CG wiki
17:52:55 <Ian> (e.g., "don't edit those without group discussion")
17:52:58 <Ian> agenda?
17:53:04 <Ian> agenda==
17:53:09 <Ian> topic: Next teleconf
17:53:12 <Ian> zakim, clear agenda
17:53:12 <Zakim> agenda cleared
17:53:22 <Ian> ltoth: the WPIG is planning to meet FTF on 22 March
17:53:32 <Ian> ...we can request some time then to meet FTF and move this forward.
17:54:01 <dezell> q+
17:54:27 <Ian> IJ: Did you have in mind e.g., 25% of time chaired by linda as a CG meeting?
17:54:32 <Ian> dezell: Yes
17:54:34 <Ian> ack d
17:54:35 <jheuer> I'd love to join but I can't make it this time
17:55:25 <Ian> ACTION: ltoth to query the CG for interest in a 22 March FTF meeting and others not yet in the CG
17:55:38 <ed_> +1
17:55:41 <dezell> 1
17:55:43 <jheuer> +1
17:55:45 <dezell> +1
17:55:46 <ShaneM> +1
17:55:50 <ltoth> +1
17:55:51 <Adam> +1 on F2F
17:55:53 <Amber_Walls_GS1US> +1; though have a conflict on that date
17:56:00 <Ian> +1
17:56:07 <Kylie_Davies> Also love to join but don't think I can get funding to cross the pond
17:56:14 <Ian> topic: Next teleconf
17:56:26 <Ian> ltoth: Would like to meet once we have new use cases
17:56:31 <Ian> (23 ok with me)
17:56:36 <Ian> jheuer: Not available on 23rd
17:56:42 <Ian> ..suggest 30th
17:57:09 <Ian> s/..suggest 30th//
17:57:22 <Ian> ....I will try to interact by email
17:57:51 <Ian> ed_: +1 to 30 Jan
17:57:57 <Kylie_Davies> 30th sounds good
17:58:09 <Ian> dezell: I can meet on the 30th
17:58:25 <Ian> RESOLVED: Next call is 30 January
17:58:33 <Ian> q+
17:58:38 <Ian> ack me
17:59:11 <Ian> Summary of who volunteered today to do some use cases:
17:59:12 <Ian> * Ed
17:59:12 <ShaneM> Shane - I did
17:59:12 <Adam> I will write some use cases
17:59:21 <dezell> David will.
17:59:25 <Ian> * Adam ("uncategorized")
17:59:29 <Kylie_Davies> Happy to try some misc ones
17:59:30 <Ian> * Shane
17:59:30 <Ian> * Joerg
17:59:32 <Ian> * Kylie
17:59:35 <Ian> * Dezell
17:59:37 <Adam> don't know yet, correct
17:59:42 <Ian> * linda
17:59:56 <Ian> shane: My plan is to go through the use cases we had for Verifiable Claims and extract some
18:00:25 <Ian> rrsagent, make minutes
18:00:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2017/01/09-digitaloffers-minutes.html Ian
18:00:27 <Ian> rrsagent, set logs public
18:00:37 <Kylie_Davies> thanks all!
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20:43:19 <Ian> rrsagent, bye
20:43:19 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2017/01/09-digitaloffers-actions.rdf :
20:43:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ian to create a CG wiki and migrate the IG stuff there (leaving a pointer from the IG wiki to the CG wiki) [1]
20:43:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/01/09-digitaloffers-irc#T17-41-44
20:43:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ian will add a misc section to the wiki in the CG's wiki [2]
20:43:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/01/09-digitaloffers-irc#T17-47-53
20:43:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ltoth to query the CG for interest in a 22 March FTF meeting and others not yet in the CG [3]
20:43:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2017/01/09-digitaloffers-irc#T17-55-25
20:43:21 <Ian> zakim, bye
20:43:22 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Adam_, Ian, Joerg, jheuer, ShaneM, Ed, Brian, ltoth, dezell, Kylie_Davies
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