IRC log of rqtf on 2016-12-14

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Zakim, this will be

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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 14 December 2016

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I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot

13:57:10 [jasonjgw]

agenda+ Security and Authentication

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agenda+ Collaboration with Silver Task Force

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agenda+ Web of Things - Accessibility Implications and W3C involvement

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agenda+ Outreach and recruitment

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agenda+ Teleconference Schedule

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agenda+ Other Topics

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present+

14:01:53 [janina]

agenda?

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present+ Janina

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present+ Scott

14:02:29 [janina]

scribe: Janina

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Chair: Jason

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present+ jasonjgw

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Chair: jasonjgw

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present+ Judy

14:05:51 [janina]

zakim, next item

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agendum 1. "Security and Authentication" taken up [from jasonjgw]

14:06:27 [janina]

jgw: Noting two aspects, what's required for making newer approaches accessible;

14:08:15 [janina]

jgw: And then the need within APA Captcha update

14:10:31 [Judy]

ds: coming at this from the perspective of trying to help the TF tackle research questions -- none of us are specialists on authentication

14:11:01 [Judy]

...I did a quick lit rvw using ACM library, got a sample of papers that have been published in the last ~years

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14:11:21 [Judy]

...haven't read them yet -- but gives an overview of the kind of topics that researchers are approaching

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q+

14:11:37 [Judy]

...or we can approach the authors and get an idea of the state of the art

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...especially the topics that are on the intersection of accessibility and security

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...and then bring in others

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q?

14:12:24 [Judy]

...I can continue to build out this list -- other repositories...

14:12:44 [janina_]

scribe: janina

14:12:58 [MichaelC]

ack j

14:13:07 [MichaelC]

s/scribe: janina/scribe: janina_/

14:13:21 [janina_]

jb: Thinks the approach may help, but wants to suggest we keep closer to what's going on in the field

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jb: We may not always be helping ourselves by going too far into academic research

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jb: Important to include implementers

14:14:50 [sloandr]

+1 to including implementers

14:14:50 [janina_]

jb: That may keep some of the newer approaches out for the time being, but could be more useful in W3C

14:15:21 [janina_]

jb: Also important to keep a structured approach

14:15:43 [janina_]

jgw: Is the concern the time delay from research to implementation?

14:16:28 [janina_]

jb: No, sometimes literature lags implementation, but also some implementation work is never actually published

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q?

14:17:18 [janina_]

jgw: Useful aspect of pubs is that it names participants we can follow up with

14:17:41 [Judy]

q+

14:18:07 [janina_]

jb: Suggest inviting Wendy Selser and Sam Weiler

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jb: into the conversation

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s/Selser/Seltzer/

14:18:28 [janina_]

jgw: I'll follow up

14:18:41 [janina_]

jb: And, I can reach out to Wendy and Sam

14:18:55 [Judy]

[JB: I'll be happy to talk with Wendy and Sam]

14:19:02 [janina_]

jgw: Encouraging people to look at the cited work

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jgw: Sam will continue updating the wiki

14:19:57 [sloandr]

https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/wiki/Relevant_Researchers

14:20:03 [janina_]

jgw: Goal is to build up user requirements and to gain an understanding of how the various pwd communities are supported with newer authentication approaches

14:20:30 [janina_]

zakim, next item

14:20:30 [Zakim]

I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, janina_

14:20:30 [sloandr]

The wiki page title doesn't really reflect the content of the page, so we'll probably need to edit that at some point

14:20:36 [janina_]

q?

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ack judy

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zakim, next item

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agendum 2. "Collaboration with Silver Task Force" taken up [from jasonjgw]

14:21:26 [Judy]

[JB: these look like great resources, from David, to review -- thanks for finding these]

14:21:26 [janina_]

jgw: Just a brief review of what's going on

14:21:59 [janina_]

jgw: WCAG has a TF looking at how next substantial guidelines might be developed

14:22:13 [janina_]

jgw: This work is in parallel with work extending existing WCAT 2.X

14:22:52 [janina_]

jgw: The Silver TF has sought our input on methodological questions relating to their research

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jgw: Includes ways of collecting data from stakeholders

14:24:06 [janina_]

jgw: Also about how to publish their findings

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david: Notes the TF just held a F2F--but I wasn't present so only looked at minutes briefly

14:25:28 [janina_]

David: I have been publicizing the invitation to participate to the wider research community

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mc: Notes TF is designing a survey, a focus in January plus lit review

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mc: TF wants most research delivered by end of summer to have good impact on Silver

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q?

14:28:20 [janina_]

jgw: Recalling his meeting that RQTF wasn't being asked to do research, but to help in designing theirs

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jgw: e.g. is the proposed survey instrument methodologically sound?

14:29:17 [janina_]

jgw: But it seems there's not anything to review just yet. When might we be asked?

14:30:29 [janina_]

mc: Hopes they'll approach RQTF first week of January at some level, with short turnaround

14:30:43 [janina_]

jgw: OK

14:31:28 [janina_]

jgw: So, maybe we need to name the people that can give best feedback. No one immediately in mind, but this is one way to go at it

14:31:59 [janina_]

mc: Noting again they'll be looking for research that can provide results within a year

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mc: Also wants to know what the priorities in research should be

14:32:27 [janina_]

mc: This could be a good RQTF topic

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q?

14:33:36 [janina_]

jgw: Believe we can't usefully do much more until contact from them

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jgw: Certainly can provide feedback on survey instruments and lit review

14:34:34 [janina_]

david: I'll continue to monitor and do what I can

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zakim, next item

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agendum 3. "Web of Things - Accessibility Implications and W3C involvement" taken up [from jasonjgw]

14:36:15 [janina_]

Minutes from APA with WoT-IG at TPAC:

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http://www.w3.org/2016/09/19-apa-minutes.html#item06

14:36:32 [Judy]

scribe: Judy

14:37:12 [Judy]

js: I just pasted a pointer to discussion with WoT IG. Good discussion. Minutes give a good overview of some of the current thinking, and some of the current concerns.

14:37:27 [Judy]

...IG wants to get out of the product line silos and provide interop support.

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...APIs are one of the ways that people tend to achieve that.

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...one of my concerns is how do we review an API.

14:38:33 [sloandr]

I can take over

14:38:39 [Judy]

...one example that people think this is important is autonomouse vehciles

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scribe: sloandr

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…API could support identifying autonomous vehicles through innovative means, for example a custom audio file that enables non-visual identification

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…a lot of APIs are emerging, but do we know if they cover all our needs?

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…in robotics, we want tech to adapt to humans, and APIs need to be able to accommodate that

14:41:34 [sloandr]

janina_ encourages RQTF to read the APA minutes referenced previously

14:42:06 [sloandr]

jgw: thanks to janina_ for the summary of the state of play

14:42:08 [Judy]

q+

14:43:21 [sloandr]

jb: this is helpful background. To be able to envision the space, it's helpful to have a few use cases. Customized audio for autonomous vehicles is helpful. Would be nice to have more.

14:43:34 [janina_]

jb: Notes that developing use cases will be important to understand what the research questions might be

14:44:45 [janina_]

jb: Asking if there are other use case notions we could consider

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jgw: Having conversations that may get some

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s/autonomouse vehciles/autonomous vehicles/

14:45:30 [janina_]

jgw: Asking whther anyone is aware of ongoing work in this area?

14:46:16 [shadi]

q+

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Scott: Asking whether home bot apis would fall into the category

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q-

14:46:23 [janina_]

janina: I think so

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scott: Often the apps aren't that accessible, but the apis can help

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q?

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ack sh

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shadi: Expecting that different components, e.g. headset, won't be fully accessible--e.g. to deaf people ...

14:50:03 [janina_]

shadi: but whatever sensor in particular, overall system needs to support all kinds of pwd users

14:50:22 [janina_]

shadi: therefore, distributed components would be useful

14:51:09 [janina_]

shadi: Maybe also a point for Silver to consider who's responsible for components integrating well

14:51:35 [janina_]

shadi: this would need protocol level support

14:52:27 [jasonjgw]

q?

14:53:12 [janina_]

shadi: So we can perhaps help figure out what aspect needs to be taken up by Silver vs WoT vs APA, etc

14:53:19 [janina_]

Scott: Also interested in this

14:55:23 [janina_]

janina: Notes that an eventual output like HTML's MAUR doc would be helpful

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agenda?

14:57:38 [janina_]

jgw: Notes the ongoing WBS survey for RQTF telecon time.

14:57:43 [MichaelC]

zakim, take up item 5

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agendum 5. "Teleconference Schedule" taken up [from jasonjgw]

14:57:47 [MichaelC]

zakim, close item 3

14:57:47 [Zakim]

agendum 3, Web of Things - Accessibility Implications and W3C involvement, closed

14:57:49 [Zakim]

I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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4. Outreach and recruitment [from jasonjgw]

14:58:02 [janina_]

jgw: The suggestion for 8AM U.S. Eastern is that our Facilitator is commuting in that hour--don't know about working around that yet

14:58:45 [janina_]

jgw: Also we'll have challenges because we have so many tz's

14:58:56 [janina_]

jgw: Please do the WBS and provide your preferences

14:59:09 [sloandr]

q+

14:59:11 [janina_]

jgw: We also need to continue to find a few more participants for our work.

15:00:10 [janina_]

jgw: Next meeting?

15:00:15 [janina_]

janina: Suggest 4 Jan

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jgw: Any objections?

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[crickets]

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q?

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ack d

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david: Thinking of a blog post encouraging participation, TPG blog, could provide draft

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jb: Notes there's usually an approach in calls for participation, suggest followup with Shadi and maybe Michael

15:02:35 [MichaelC]

q+

15:03:13 [janina_]

jb: Suggests a pointer to W3C Blog post and maybe saying more would be the way to go

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ack me

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q-

15:03:31 [janina_]

ack d

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jgw: Will move on this

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q?

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scott: Volunteering for lit review on captcha work

15:05:13 [janina_]

jgw: Agree

15:05:23 [janina_]

janina: And APA wants Dual Factor included, if possible

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jgw: Happy Hollidays

15:06:27 [MichaelC]

present+ Faezeh

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present+ Scott

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present+ MichaelC

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present+ Faezeh

15:09:21 [janina_]

zakim, bye

15:09:21 [Zakim]

leaving. As of this point the attendees have been shadi, Janina, Scott, jasonjgw, Judy, Faezeh, MichaelC

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15:09:29 [janina_]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/12/14-rqtf-minutes.html janina_

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