16:58:34 RRSAgent has joined #digitaloffers 16:58:34 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-digitaloffers-irc 16:58:36 Zakim has joined #digitaloffers 16:58:44 Meeting: Digital Offers Community Group 16:58:50 Chair: Linda 16:58:54 rrsagent, make minutes 16:58:54 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-digitaloffers-minutes.html manu 16:58:59 rrsagent, make logs public 16:59:26 Ian has joined #digitaloffers 16:59:30 queue? 16:59:35 agenda? 17:00:35 rrsagent, pointer? 17:00:35 See http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-digitaloffers-irc#T17-00-35 17:00:43 Meeting: Digital Offers CG call 17:02:02 alyver has joined #digitaloffers 17:02:51 dezell has joined #digitaloffers 17:03:12 zakim, drop agenda 1 17:03:12 agendum 1, topic, dropped 17:03:24 present+ dezell 17:03:36 agenda+ updates/feedback on charter/problem statements 17:03:50 agenda+ Additional engagment 17:03:59 agenda+ VCT vote 17:04:07 agenda+ meetings for 2017 17:04:22 agenda? 17:05:14 Steven_ has joined #digitaloffers 17:06:10 present+ Ian 17:06:14 present +alyver 17:06:17 present+ ltoth 17:06:21 present+ dezell 17:06:25 present+ alyver 17:06:29 present+ Manu 17:06:34 zakim, who's here? 17:06:34 Present: dezell, Ian, ltoth, alyver, Manu 17:06:36 On IRC I see Steven_, dezell, alyver, Ian, Zakim, RRSAgent, ltoth, manu, dlongley, ShaneM 17:06:43 present+ Ed 17:06:50 present+ Steven 17:07:01 agenda? 17:09:10 zakim, take up item 2 17:09:10 agendum 2. "updates/feedback on charter/problem statements" taken up [from ltoth] 17:09:15 IJ: Who has read the charter? 17:09:21 +1 17:09:22 steven 17:09:26 manu, david, ian, linda, steven 17:09:36 ltoth: Any suggested changes? 17:10:22 ...regarding problem statements, steven asked for "rebate";t hat's the only feedback I've received so far 17:11:27 q+ 17:13:05 dezell: We should be clear that where work ends up may vary 17:13:10 q? 17:13:13 ack d 17:14:18 zakim, take up item 3 17:14:18 agendum 3. "Additional engagment" taken up [from ltoth] 17:14:33 ltoth: Meetings happening with Coke. Also reached out to Matt at MAG 17:14:47 s/Matt/Mark 17:14:57 q+ 17:15:06 ack d 17:15:22 dezell: Gray and I were invited to speak with Coke 17:17:05 ..main topic is digital offers, what conexxus is doing 17:17:18 ltoth: Any other engagement updates? 17:17:31 Ian: I've done some outreach lately 17:17:56 q+ 17:18:17 Ian: Mentioning to colleague that Best Buy and Amazon have had information shared with them. Maybe also AirBnB, IBM. 17:18:31 Ian: I hope that awareness will continue forward, but have not had anyone sign up yet. 17:19:16 Ed: I don't think we hooked some people who came to previous call ... as we get more involved in problem statements, then we can keep people actively participating. 17:19:34 q+ 17:19:44 ack dezell 17:20:55 need to drop 17:21:21 IJ: dezell, please reach out to Alan re: engagement 17:21:31 Ian: It's useful for us to coordinate if you're going to mention benefits of W3C membership 17:23:54 q? 17:24:05 ack me 17:24:13 IJ: Previous call was good to hear other stories from new people 17:24:55 Ian: I want to make sure we open floor to participants bringing their own discussion topics. 17:25:11 Ian: We want to keep the discussion topics open, that's my understanding, do others think similarly 17:25:17 ltoth: Yes, I agree. 17:25:28 ...need to get other people engaged and hear from them 17:25:30 manu: +1, thinking similarly, getting other input is helpful 17:25:41 It's useful to hear where others in the industry are. 17:25:46 zakim, close this item 17:25:46 agendum 3 closed 17:25:47 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:25:47 2. updates/feedback on charter/problem statements [from ltoth] 17:25:53 zakim, close item 2 17:25:53 agendum 2, updates/feedback on charter/problem statements, closed 17:25:54 I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 17:25:54 4. VCT vote [from ltoth] 17:25:56 zakim, take up item 4 17:25:56 agendum 4. "VCT vote" taken up [from ltoth] 17:26:04 q+ 17:26:15 Manu: Verifiable claims might be useful to represent coupons and loyalty card info 17:26:15 https://www.w3.org/2017/vc/charter 17:26:26 ...there's a charter for a new W3C Working being reviewed by the W3C Membership 17:26:28 https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/VCWG/ 17:27:20 ...review through 15 January 2017 17:27:45 q? 17:28:37 dezell: Bring your industry connections into play here. 17:28:51 topic: Upcoming meetings 17:29:10 ltoth: We started with mondays at noon ET...for now we'll continue at that time 17:29:28 q+ to talk about reviews and enthusiasm. 17:29:41 +1 to biweekly 17:29:45 +1 for every two weeks 17:29:51 +1 for every two weeks 17:29:55 next meeting: 9 January 17:30:15 ltoth: I am hoping that Steven will work on rebate statement by then and we can review it 17:30:18 +1 17:30:55 q? 17:31:13 ltoth: I will send Ian the information who will send it to the list. 17:31:23 rrsagent, make minutes 17:31:23 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-digitaloffers-minutes.html Ian 17:31:36 q+ 17:31:39 ack d 17:31:39 dezell, you wanted to talk about reviews and enthusiasm. 17:32:20 dezell: Manu, would you be willing to share some thoughts on the list about how to engage with people in this work? 17:32:45 Manu: I think the key is to give people something to talk around, to establish a common purpose. 17:32:56 ...the question I have for the group is "what is our purpose for Q1 2017" 17:33:20 ...that seems to me to be the next step, and we can use it in turn to bring more people into the group 17:33:39 ...but I think real uptake will not happen until there's a technical proposal on the table (depending on who you are trying to attract) 17:33:47 ...another question is audience of this group - business or tech? 17:34:14 [IJ our charter says]: 17:34:15 A report describing a series of (prioritized) industry use cases. 17:34:15 An analysis of what standards (existing or new in the ecosystem as a whole) might help address those use cases. 17:34:15 Optionally: Community Group reports to experiment with how to address the use cases. 17:34:27 q? 17:34:41 ltoth: How do we turn problem statements into use cases? 17:34:44 q+ to explain how use cases documents tend to form 17:34:53 ack Ian 17:35:11 Ian: We're in the listening phase, what do people want to talk about 17:35:43 Ian: Bringing people that have not worked together before, early listening involves learning how to talk with each other. They have things on their mind. It'll take us a bit of time to get terminology and frame of references aligned. 17:35:53 present+ ShaneM 17:36:23 Ian: The easiest thing to do is the thing you're doing with Steven, write down the thing you're trying to do. Then we look at things that are written down, will detect a pattern, do some prioritization from the start, people make their case. Get a broad sense of where we might thing we're going to be working together. 17:36:37 Ian: A use case is a slightly more formalized statement, more detail. 17:36:56 Ian: If you ask about use cases, there are formal systems for doing things, don't know if that's what we need to do, set of actions/steps/flow? 17:37:17 Ian: I don't know if we need to go to that level of detail. Incremental progression, don't try to boil ocean, develop shared understanding of what we're talking about. 17:37:33 Ian: We start to understand where hairy problems are, then ask if we need new Web technology to solve those problems. 17:37:37 q+ to plan some beneficial discussion 17:37:45 Ian: At that point, we start getting into gap analysis. 17:37:47 I like the use case approach that illustrates the use via scenarios, and syntnesizes hard requirements from those scenarios. It is very organic and approachable. 17:38:08 q? 17:38:12 Ian: Listen and refine as we go. 17:38:27 manu: I agree with much of what Ian said. We are in the listening phase. 17:38:38 ..it would be good to listen a lot more before we write things down formally. 17:39:06 ...but informally it's good for people to write things down and enable other people to add to them 17:39:14 q? 17:39:19 q+ to ask about NRF Big Show 17:39:22 ack manu 17:39:22 manu, you wanted to explain how use cases documents tend to form 17:39:36 manu: it's good for people to write down use cases informally 17:39:41 ....the future that people want to build 17:42:01 ack d 17:42:01 dezell, you wanted to plan some beneficial discussion 17:42:02 Example of Use Cases: https://opencreds.github.io/vc-use-cases/ 17:42:26 CSV on the Web Use Cases and Requirements: https://www.w3.org/TR/csvw-ucr/ 17:42:48 dezell: Perhaps Bob can give a presentation at an upcoming call ... and allow discussion 17:43:49 ack i 17:43:49 Ian, you wanted to ask about NRF Big Show 17:43:54 ack me 17:44:59 rrsagent, make minutes 17:44:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/12/12-digitaloffers-minutes.html Ian 17:45:03 rrsagent, set logs public 17:49:43 zakim, bye 17:49:43 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been dezell, Ian, ltoth, alyver, Manu, Ed, Steven, ShaneM 17:49:43 Zakim has left #digitaloffers 17:49:45 rrsagent, bye 17:49:45 I see no action items