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19:56:57 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
19:56:57 <trackbot> Date: 07 December 2016
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19:57:09 <phila> s/Working Group/Coverages Sub Group/
19:57:13 <phila> chair: Bill
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19:57:40 <phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Coverage-Telecon20161207
19:58:17 <billroberts> hello everyone
19:58:44 <billroberts> looks like webex not started yet - is that right Phil?
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20:01:57 <billroberts> present+ billroberts
20:02:02 <billroberts> regrets+ Jon Blower
20:02:20 <phila> present+ Dimitry
20:02:23 <Kerry> present+ Kerry
20:02:41 <roba> morning...
20:04:37 <roba> present+
20:05:20 <Kerry> scribe: kerry
20:05:26 <Kerry> scribenick: kerry
20:05:46 <Kerry> q+
20:06:16 <phila> ack k]
20:06:24 <phila> Topic: Approval of earlier minutes
20:06:45 <phila> Meeting 2 weeks ago was informal. So...
20:06:47 <Kerry> q-
20:06:48 <billroberts> https://www.w3.org/2016/11/09-sdwcov-minutes
20:07:41 <Kerry> +1
20:07:55 <roba> +1
20:07:57 <billroberts> +1 to approve minutes
20:08:02 <Kerry> resolve: approve minutes https://www.w3.org/2016/11/09-sdwcov-minutes notuc
20:08:40 <Kerry> topic: https://www.w3.org/2016/11/09-sdwcov-minutes
20:08:59 <Kerry> topic: Progress towards the 3 FPWD - EO-QB, QB4ST, CovJSON. How close are we to candidate FWPD on each of these?
20:09:27 <Kerry> bill" covjson plan to fill in a lot of the gaps
20:09:44 <Kerry> ...call with Jon Friday and exepct to meet monday morning  stabe doc
20:09:50 <Kerry> as to plan
20:09:55 <Kerry> ....but have some questions...
20:09:55 <billroberts> http://w3c.github.io/sdw/coverage-json/
20:10:21 <Kerry> billroberts: couiple of sections that I am asking about
20:10:34 <Kerry> ....section 6 use cases and requirements
20:10:50 <Kerry> ....thinking of exaplining how covjson maps to requirements
20:11:03 <phila> q+
20:11:04 <Kerry> ... saw that other docs have not done it in a lot of detail
20:11:09 <Kerry> .... is this appropriate?
20:11:16 <phila> ack me
20:11:18 <billroberts> ack phil
20:11:22 <Kerry> ... necessary? useful?
20:11:23 <roba> q+
20:11:33 <Kerry> phila: yes it is necessary
20:11:42 <Kerry> ....you must show you have met requirements
20:11:54 <Kerry> .... a section in each document to do this is useful
20:12:02 <Kerry> .... it needs to be in all
20:12:17 <Kerry> billroberts:  will do
20:12:19 <billroberts> ack roba
20:12:37 <Kerry> roba:  was planning to do same for qb4st
20:13:29 <Kerry> .... but question about style ...OGC provides more rationale of technology where W3C is terse.. what do we do?
20:14:03 <phila> q+
20:14:06 <phila> q-
20:14:06 <Kerry> billroberts: also for covjson --- we need to say "why we are making another standard for coverages"
20:14:08 <billroberts> ack phila
20:14:27 <Kerry> phila: would include some verbage around motivation
20:14:33 <Kerry> q+
20:14:51 <Kerry> ...also relationship to previous work would be good
20:15:07 <Kerry> ...like time --- why it is different to before
20:15:14 <Kerry> ...beyond that entirely up to you
20:15:40 <Kerry> ... no rule that yo cannot include explanation --- you should do it if you think so especially if expected of OGC papers
20:16:08 <Kerry> roba: qb4st will retain why you need anything at all
20:16:38 <Kerry> phila: inapprop to write non-normative in docs as whole doc is non-normative
20:17:09 <Kerry> dmitrybrizhinev: non-normative comes by defualt -- cannot remove it -- is there another one?
20:17:49 <Kerry> phila: yes ... you should not use informative class so ... dont' sue section class = informative
20:17:52 <Kerry> q+
20:18:02 <Kerry> s/sue/use/
20:18:50 <Kerry> billroberts: covjson may have an appendix that contains [missed] so that the same doc has everything in it and not externally referenced
20:18:55 <billroberts> ack k
20:20:33 <billroberts> https://covjson.org/spec/
20:20:46 <Kerry> phila: billroberts question it is odd to have covjson standard body with an appensix that is the specification
20:20:53 <Kerry> s.appensix/apendix/
20:21:02 <Kerry> s/appensix/appendix/
20:21:15 <Kerry> phila: will look inot ithis
20:21:42 <Kerry> billroberts: will talk to jon about how much the covjson spec might change -- it does not look tremendously final right now
20:22:06 <Kerry> roba: suggests you copy the spec in in full status
20:22:40 <Kerry> billroberts: but how close to final is it? in final version of note this could be the definitive version of spec
20:23:45 <Kerry> phila: leave this to editors draft link.... their doc does not have ipr committments, so that repo spec could be implemented with royalties lurking
20:24:09 <Kerry> ...so I am reluctant to give that doc credit, but we could incluide a link somewhere...
20:24:23 <Kerry> roba: previous  version link?
20:25:15 <Kerry> phila: no but something in the status of the repo doc to point to our Note that points it as a static version and that this version may be an update
20:25:21 <Kerry> ... legal stuff matters a lot
20:25:50 <Kerry> ... a link to that one is the best you can do -- there are places you can link but it will not go through process and IPR
20:26:20 <Kerry> billroberts: will work through that with Jon, seems like we should wrap up that spec and put it in this note
20:26:33 <Kerry> phila: yes, if the full content goes in our note
20:26:55 <Kerry> ...must give full credit in our note but IPR constrains us
20:27:15 <phila> s/credit/endorsement/
20:27:17 <Kerry> roba: could transcribe the bulk of it directly into our Note
20:27:43 <phila> s/ but we could include a link somewhere/ but we could certainly include links somewhere.../
20:27:55 <Kerry> billroberts: respec references: if we need a ref that is not elsewhere whre do I put it?
20:28:07 <Kerry> phila: in local biblio = config.js
20:28:27 <phila> -> https://github.com/w3c/sdw/blob/gh-pages/coverage-json/config.js This file, bill
20:29:34 <Kerry> phila: it shows how to do it there -- an ssn one is thre
20:29:50 <Kerry> billroberts: are we sharing a common biblio?
20:30:04 <Kerry> phila: just copy and paste between config.js
20:30:12 <Kerry> billroberts: doc number?
20:30:36 <Kerry> roba: offers to check on OGC doc number
20:31:18 <Kerry> Topcic: eo-qb?
20:31:29 <Kerry> topic: eo-qb
20:31:36 <roba> 16-125	Publishing and Using Earth Observation Data with the RDF DataCube and the Discrete Global Grid System
20:32:09 <roba> but i dont see covjson yet..
20:32:13 <Kerry> dmitrybrizhinev: pretty good shape, includes refs to use cases and requirements, we have description to rdf on example, als some new detail with implementation, has updated qb-4st
20:32:30 <Kerry> billroberts: what do we have to do in a formal sense?
20:33:13 <Kerry> phila: day 1 of f2f will be vote -- it ha become the norm that the group is given a week to review it
20:33:22 <roba> shall I generate one then?
20:33:29 <Kerry> eo-qb lokks ready for review to me
20:34:00 <Kerry> billroberts: if there isn't one and you can make one --- can you pls? for covjson
20:34:24 <Kerry> roba: title is currently "coveragejson" but it can be changed
20:34:43 <Kerry> ...usually more descriptive than that -- what do you want?
20:35:10 <roba> The CoverageJSON Format Specification
20:35:26 <Kerry> roba: [suggested a name] and bill agreed
20:35:37 <Kerry> phila: asks about geojson's name
20:35:59 <Kerry> phila: likes "coveragejson" name
20:36:17 <Kerry> phila: dmitry
20:37:07 <Kerry> phila: could this end up a rec -- could there be another implementation for rec?
20:37:30 <Kerry> dmitrybrizhinev: but is more of guidance -- a wroked example -- than it is for a standard
20:37:49 <roba> You have successfully reserved 16-145 for The CoverageJSON Format Specification.
20:37:58 <Kerry> billroberts: on eo-qb will send round an email to draw attention
20:38:00 <Kerry> q+
20:38:06 <billroberts> ack k
20:39:26 <Kerry> roba: minor changes around qb4st
20:39:33 <Kerry> Kerry: will do
20:40:14 <Kerry> roba: other comment is if using rdfdatacube --- statment about using for data and metadata should be higher up
20:40:29 <Kerry> ...is more significant than where it is
20:40:29 <phila> q+ to ask about the namespace http://resources.opengeospatial.org/def/qbcomponents/qb4st/
20:40:57 <phila> ack me
20:40:57 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask about the namespace http://resources.opengeospatial.org/def/qbcomponents/qb4st/
20:40:59 <billroberts> ack p
20:41:01 <Kerry> phila:
20:41:31 <Kerry> .... 2 things -- the namespace is very long... can it be shorter ... when I refernce it I get an error
20:42:06 <phila> I can offer you http://www.w3.org/ns/qb4st
20:42:10 <Kerry> roba: namespace is not fixed yet.... currently mutable... what should they be .. can be changed to a target
20:42:17 <Kerry> phila: can give you one
20:42:40 <Kerry> roba: will adopt what you give me
20:43:00 <Kerry> phila: want to see the final name space in the FPWD
20:43:19 <Kerry> q+ to ask a realted question about ssn
20:43:38 <Kerry> roba: happy eith that
20:43:54 <billroberts> ack kerry
20:43:54 <Zakim> Kerry, you wanted to ask a realted question about ssn
20:46:18 <Kerry> billroberts: so when will qb4st be ready
20:46:52 <Kerry> roba: wanting some more review
20:47:59 <Kerry> billroberts: will leave to you to mail the list
20:48:44 <Kerry> roba: there has been close review of the concept by dmitry, chris, kerry etc but would like a closer look at the ontlogy itself
20:49:08 <Kerry> ....but can throw it out as public draft and see
20:49:27 <Kerry> phila: we should contact Cyganiak and Reynolds to review
20:49:58 <Kerry> roba: did talk with reynolds again about the concept but not the detailed design
20:50:17 <Kerry> ...would welcome a closer inspection
20:51:03 <Kerry> billroberts: any other thing to agree for next meeting?
20:52:02 <Kerry> ....rob would you lie to see someone lese summarise and present for you?
20:52:18 <Kerry> roba: I might make it (am on holiday)
20:53:04 <Kerry> billroberts: beterrn Kerry and I we can muddle through witout you
20:53:28 <Kerry> s/beterrrn/between/
20:53:35 <Kerry> topic: next meeting
20:53:56 <Kerry> billroberts: propose skip 21 Dec
20:56:44 <Kerry> billroberts: propose next meeting is 18th Jan
20:57:01 <roba> +1
20:57:09 <Kerry> billroberts: aob?
20:57:44 <Kerry> roba: will also correct namesspace update for eo-qb if you accept the pr
20:58:02 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:58:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/12/07-sdwcov-minutes.html phila
20:58:15 <Kerry> billroberts: happy Christmas! and good hoidays1
20:58:26 <Kerry> rrsagent, make logs public
20:58:34 <Kerry> rrsagent draft minutes
20:58:36 <billroberts> bye all
20:58:38 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:58:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/12/07-sdwcov-minutes.html phila
20:58:49 <Kerry> bye!
21:08:59 <phila> RRSAgent, bye
21:08:59 <RRSAgent> I see no action items