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19:56:52 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
19:56:52 <trackbot> Date: 30 November 2016
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19:59:55 <Linda> Present+ Linda
20:00:18 <roba> present+ roba
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20:00:47 <roba> is the meeting link now https://app.gotomeeting.com/?meetingId=565058525 ?
20:01:30 <Linda> I used this one https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=md6855d5b49f82a029c988c968aa0bf3f
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20:02:21 <ScottSimmons> apologies all - GoTo Meeting is suddenly not recognizing me as the organizier of my meeting
20:03:13 <roba> the webex is giving me no audio option.
20:03:38 <Linda> That may help, I have no audio options either.
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20:04:25 <ClausStadler> i also get no audio option
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20:05:44 <billroberts> I have the host key (I think!) as we use the same slot for the coverage call - shall I claim the host role?
20:06:22 <billroberts> done
20:07:01 <MattPerry> present+ MattPerry
20:08:17 <billroberts> it looks like Scott has been able to start gotomeeting now too - which one are we going to use?
20:08:50 <kerry> present+ kerry
20:09:21 <billroberts> Scott is saying on gtm "Let's go webex"
20:09:38 <ahaller2> present+ ahaller2
20:10:19 <billroberts> present+ billroberts
20:10:38 <ScottSimmons> present+ ScottSimmons
20:11:06 <kerry> chair: kerry
20:11:13 <kerry> present+ kerry
20:11:38 <billroberts> I'm avoiding scribing as also eating
20:12:00 <kerry> scribe: MattPerry
20:12:07 <kerry> scribenick: MattPerry
20:12:36 <kerry> topic: Approving last meeting's minutes  http://www.w3.org/2016/11/16-sdw-minutes.html
20:12:46 <kerry> +1
20:12:47 <ScottSimmons> * my apologies - I have to multitask a little today to deal with a phone issue at my office
20:12:57 <ahaller2> +1
20:13:00 <Linda> +1
20:13:01 <billroberts> 0 - didn't make it last time
20:13:04 <roba> +1
20:13:04 <MattPerry> 0
20:13:12 <kerry> resolved: minutes approved
20:13:30 <ByronCinNZ> present+ ByronCinNZ
20:13:32 <kerry> patent call  https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
20:13:51 <kerry> Reminder F2F agenda including votes planned https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:F2F5
20:14:12 <MattPerry> kerry: F2F only two weeks away
20:14:57 <kerry> q?
20:15:05 <billroberts> q+
20:15:14 <MattPerry> kerry: please have a look at the agenda
20:15:25 <kerry> q?
20:15:32 <kerry> ack billroberts
20:15:55 <kerry> regrets+ jonblower
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20:16:10 <MattPerry> billroberts: exchanged emails with Jon Blower, what is a reasonable time for people to review before the vote
20:16:16 <MattPerry> kerry: usually a week
20:16:37 <MattPerry> kerry: please tell everyone when it's ready to review
20:17:02 <MattPerry> kerry: Monday would be great
20:17:37 <MattPerry> kerry: 2 hours on agenda to discuss SSN
20:18:00 <MattPerry> kerry: 1 hour on spatial ontology
20:18:08 <ScottSimmons> * Josh - I just responded by email that the WebEx is running, GoTo was a problem (that better get rectified by next week!!!!!!)
20:18:22 <MattPerry> kerry: next is best practice
20:18:41 <MattPerry> kerry: Friday starts with best practice in the morning
20:19:24 <Linda> Q+
20:19:31 <MattPerry> kerry: at 11:00 we have SSN until 13:00
20:19:36 <kerry> q?
20:19:47 <kerry> ack linda
20:19:48 <MattPerry> kerry: then lunch and more best practice
20:20:23 <MattPerry> Linda: question about BP on Friday morning ... what issues should we discuss at that time?
20:21:15 <MattPerry> kerry: not sure, I can volunteer to put in some topics
20:21:16 <kerry> q?
20:21:32 <MattPerry> kerry: any other questions about F2F?
20:22:29 <kerry> Attendees at F2F need access permission: You must be here https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Attending_F2F5 to get invitation letter from Google
20:23:04 <MattPerry> kerry: please make sure you put your names on the attendee list
20:23:27 <kerry> q?
20:23:52 <kerry> topic: Attendees at F2F need access permission: You must be here https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Attending_F2F5 to get invitation letter from Google
20:24:01 <kerry> topic: Plenary meetings to end of year?
20:24:39 <billroberts> 15/16 December
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20:25:22 <billroberts> +1 to no call on 14th
20:25:24 <MattPerry> kerry: no plenary call in two weeks
20:25:36 <ahaller2> +1
20:25:39 <Linda> +1
20:25:40 <ByronCinNZ> +1
20:25:42 <MattPerry> +1
20:25:57 <MattPerry> kerry: the next is on Dec. 28th
20:26:00 <josh> +1
20:26:09 <MattPerry> kerry: shall we cancel that one too
20:26:10 <roba> +1
20:26:11 <ahaller2> no call on dec 28th
20:26:13 <MattPerry> +1
20:26:13 <ahaller2> +1
20:26:16 <ByronCinNZ> +1 to no on 28th
20:26:18 <josh> Teleconferencing on skis is dangerous...
20:26:20 <ClausStadler> +1 to no
20:26:21 <billroberts> +1 to not 28th
20:26:24 <Linda> +1
20:26:41 <MattPerry> kerry: next date is Jan 4th
20:26:52 <MattPerry> kerry: what about that one?
20:27:03 <billroberts> I'll be back at work on 4th, so available but not pressing for it
20:27:07 <ClausStadler> -1 for me, starting the week after is fine
20:27:09 <ByronCinNZ> The 4th is not 2 weeks after 28h
20:27:11 <Linda> Q+
20:27:51 <ahaller2> 11th of january would be the next call
20:27:55 <kerry> q?
20:27:59 <kerry> ack linda
20:28:25 <MattPerry> Linda: Jan 4th is not 2 weeks after the 28th. It will be the 11th
20:28:33 <ByronCinNZ> +1 to 11th
20:28:42 <ClausStadler> +1 to 11th
20:28:54 <MattPerry> kerry: Yes. This is more of an issue for subgroups
20:28:59 <kerry> corretion: next plenary 11th Jan
20:29:08 <MattPerry> kerry: We don't need to cancel the 11th
20:29:12 <Linda> +1
20:29:41 <MattPerry> kerry: next plenary is Jan 11th
20:30:03 <MattPerry> kerry: shall we discuss subgroup meetings?
20:30:16 <MattPerry> Linda: we will have subgroup meeting next week and will discuss it then
20:30:47 <MattPerry> billroberts: Linda's suggestion sounds good to us too. We will discuss it next week
20:30:58 <kerry> all subgroup meetings are on as usual next week
20:31:41 <MattPerry> kerry: Linda, when will BP draft be ready?
20:32:06 <MattPerry> Linda: depends on Jeremy but it will probably be by the end of next week
20:32:45 <MattPerry> kerry: don't hesitate to put it up as-is
20:33:02 <MattPerry> Linda: had discusssion with Bart. He agreed to add some content. He is working on that now
20:33:27 <MattPerry> kerry: any other comments on upcoming meetings?
20:33:33 <kerry> topic : Review of Outstanding Actions and other Housekeeping
20:34:16 <MattPerry> kerry: heading towards the end of this WG
20:34:30 <MattPerry> kerry: we need to clear off outstanding issues
20:35:04 <kerry> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/
20:35:30 <MattPerry> kerry: checking open actions
20:36:16 <MattPerry> kerry: Action 127
20:36:30 <kerry> action-127
20:36:30 <trackbot> action-127 -- Joshua Lieberman to to comment on table content and format around action-98 -- due 2015-12-16 -- OPEN
20:36:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/127
20:36:50 <MattPerry> josh: you can close that one
20:36:51 <kerry> close action-127
20:36:51 <trackbot> Closed action-127.
20:37:17 <kerry> action-127
20:37:17 <trackbot> action-127 -- Joshua Lieberman to to comment on table content and format around action-98 -- due 2015-12-16 -- CLOSED
20:37:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/127
20:37:23 <kerry> action-128
20:37:23 <trackbot> action-128 -- Jeremy Tandy to Talk to christine perey about the need for relative positioning -- due 2015-12-23 -- OPEN
20:37:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/128
20:37:38 <MattPerry> Linda: as far as I know, it's not done
20:38:01 <MattPerry> Linda: it's about relative positioning
20:38:25 <roba> its also about natural language
20:38:31 <MattPerry> kerry: not much we can do about it right now
20:38:57 <roba> q+
20:39:16 <MattPerry> josh: not fully sure what "relative positioning" is here
20:39:31 <MattPerry> josh: it's not very specific
20:40:18 <MattPerry> Linda: we have a best practice on relative positioning and we are wondering if we should keep it
20:40:41 <MattPerry> josh: I will contact Christine
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20:41:12 <kerry> action-138?
20:41:12 <trackbot> action-138 -- Jeremy Tandy to Email public list with homework re dwbp call next week -- due 2016-02-15 -- OPEN
20:41:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/138
20:41:19 <roba> q-
20:41:29 <kerry> close action-138
20:41:29 <trackbot> Closed action-138.
20:42:07 <kerry> action-140
20:42:07 <trackbot> action-140 -- Armin Haller to Clearly separate observation, sensor, and deployment parts of ssn -- due 2016-02-16 -- OPEN
20:42:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/140
20:42:26 <ScottSimmons> RE: relative positioning, perhaps this is akin to some of the types of Anchors in ARML 2.0 (http://docs.opengeospatial.org/is/12-132r4/12-132r4.html#19)
20:42:48 <kerry> close action-139
20:42:48 <trackbot> Closed action-139.
20:43:09 <MattPerry> ahaller2: it's been superseded
20:43:28 <kerry> close action-140
20:43:29 <trackbot> Closed action-140.
20:43:39 <kerry> open action-139
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20:44:24 <kerry> action-141
20:44:24 <trackbot> action-141 -- Kerry Taylor to Disentangle ssn from dul (this may require adding things to ssn that are needed from dul) -- due 2016-02-16 -- OPEN
20:44:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/141
20:44:43 <MattPerry> kerry: leaving action 141 open
20:44:51 <kerry> action-143?
20:44:51 <trackbot> action-143 -- Jeremy Tandy to Respond to rob atkinson's comments -- due 2016-02-16 -- OPEN
20:44:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/143
20:45:36 <MattPerry> roba: this was a discussion about metadata, but it's not well formed as an action. We can just close it
20:45:50 <kerry> close  action-143
20:45:50 <trackbot> Closed action-143.
20:46:33 <kerry> close action-146
20:46:33 <trackbot> Closed action-146.
20:46:47 <kerry> action-151?
20:46:47 <trackbot> action-151 -- Joshua Lieberman to Add thoughts about flood prediction to the narrative at https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/bp_narrative -- due 2016-03-30 -- CLOSED
20:46:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/151
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20:47:06 <MattPerry> josh: i just closed it
20:47:16 <kerry> close ation-152
20:47:21 <kerry> close action-152
20:47:21 <trackbot> Closed action-152.
20:47:48 <kerry> close action-153
20:47:48 <trackbot> Closed action-153.
20:48:12 <kerry> q?
20:48:34 <kerry> action-158?
20:48:34 <trackbot> action-158 -- Jon Blower to Share egu austria presentations of relevance to us -- due 2016-04-20 -- OPEN
20:48:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/158
20:48:38 <billroberts> yes done I htink
20:48:50 <kerry> close action-158
20:48:50 <trackbot> Closed action-158.
20:50:10 <kerry> close action-161
20:50:10 <trackbot> Closed action-161.
20:50:25 <kerry> action-162?
20:50:25 <trackbot> action-162 -- Jeremy Tandy to Break the narrative into discrete elements and create a wiki page of who is developing each part -- due 2016-04-27 -- OPEN
20:50:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/162
20:51:08 <kerry> close action-162
20:51:08 <trackbot> Closed action-162.
20:51:19 <kerry> action-164?
20:51:19 <MattPerry> Linda: we left the narrative idea, I don't think this action is relevant any more. We plan to split the narrative up and place it throughout the document
20:51:19 <trackbot> action-164 -- Joshua Lieberman to Work on narrative item 7 -- due 2016-05-10 -- CLOSED
20:51:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/164
20:51:42 <kerry> action-165?
20:51:42 <trackbot> action-165 -- Andrea Perego to Add a section about publishing metadata to item nr 4 -- due 2016-05-10 -- OPEN
20:51:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/165
20:51:52 <MattPerry> Linda: not sure about this one
20:52:20 <MattPerry> kerry: was this before the restructuring?
20:52:28 <MattPerry> Linda: I'm not comfortable about closing it
20:52:31 <kerry> action-166
20:52:31 <trackbot> action-166 -- Jeremy Tandy to Prioritize data publication over adding usage examples and include list of potential usage examples from email -- due 2016-05-10 -- OPEN
20:52:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/166
20:52:55 <MattPerry> Linda: I don't know if he did it or not
20:53:07 <kerry> action-169
20:53:07 <trackbot> action-169 -- Jeremy Tandy to Crossref the swbbp with the dwbp to make it a true extension and eliminate duplication -- due 2016-05-10 -- OPEN
20:53:07 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/169
20:53:23 <kerry> close action-169
20:53:23 <trackbot> Closed action-169.
20:53:40 <kerry> action-173
20:53:40 <trackbot> action-173 -- Armin Haller to Write a little more about modul,arisation re currnet state -- due 2016-05-24 -- OPEN
20:53:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/173
20:54:05 <kerry> close action-173
20:54:06 <trackbot> Closed action-173.
20:54:21 <kerry> action-174
20:54:21 <trackbot> action-174 -- Armin Haller to Add examples to modularisation -- due 2016-05-24 -- OPEN
20:54:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/174
20:54:37 <MattPerry> ahaller2: we should keep that open
20:54:57 <kerry> action-179
20:54:57 <trackbot> action-179 -- Danh Le Phuoc to Investigate needs for temporal relations in stream reasoning to consider for owl-time -- due 2016-06-21 -- OPEN
20:54:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/179
20:55:12 <ahaller2> 174 is now assigned to SSN
20:55:19 <MattPerry> kerry: I'm going to leave that one open
20:55:46 <kerry> action-180
20:55:46 <trackbot> action-180 -- Sefki Kolozali to Check through defintions of intervals in owl-time -- due 2016-06-21 -- OPEN
20:55:46 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/180
20:56:05 <MattPerry> kerry: I'm going to send a reminder about that one
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20:56:38 <kerry> action-181
20:56:38 <trackbot> action-181 -- Armin Haller to Remove arrow from dul alignment to core on diagram -- due 2016-07-05 -- OPEN
20:56:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/181
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20:57:16 <kerry> close action-181
20:57:16 <trackbot> Closed action-181.
20:57:21 <MattPerry> ahaller2: it can be closed
20:57:39 <MattPerry> kerry: I think we can stop here
20:57:39 <kerry> q?
20:57:45 <MattPerry> kerry: AOB?
20:58:49 <MattPerry> kerry: Please watch for versions of documents to review
20:59:02 <kerry> q?
20:59:33 <billroberts> thanks everyone
20:59:40 <billroberts> (I'll end the webex by the way)
20:59:40 <kerry> rrsagent, make logs public
20:59:51 <kerry> rrsagent, draft minutes
20:59:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/11/30-sdw-minutes.html kerry
21:00:15 <billroberts> webex ended
21:01:22 <kerry> rrsagent, draft minutes
21:01:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/11/30-sdw-minutes.html kerry
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