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16:48:21 <tzviya> Meeting: DPUB IG Weekly Telco
16:48:27 <tzviya> chair: Tzviya
16:49:09 <tzviya> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2016Nov/0108.html
16:49:48 <tzviya> regrets+ vlad, leonard, garth, ivan, daniel, luc, laurent, matt
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17:00:02 <HeatherF> I'll be a few minutes late (on a call that's running over. Bill Kasdorf is on the same call.)
17:00:13 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
17:00:27 <rdeltour> present+
17:01:03 <clapierre> present+ Charles_LaPierre
17:01:52 <rdeltour> scribe: rdeltour
17:01:59 <Bert> present+
17:02:06 <Karen> present+ Karen
17:02:25 <rdeltour> regrets+ Wilco
17:02:31 <rdeltour> regrets+ Matt
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17:04:25 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/2016/11/21-dpub-minutes.html
17:04:38 <rdeltour> tzviya: any comments on the meeting from last week?
17:04:48 <rdeltour> ... minutes approved!
17:05:11 <rdeltour> ... not expecting a lot of discussion on the first 2 items
17:05:27 <rdeltour> ... we have these ongoing documents (PWP-UCR and DPUB-PWP)
17:05:29 <tzviya> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp-ucr/index.html
17:05:38 <rdeltour> ... keep the issues coming, your input matters
17:05:40 <tzviya> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp/
17:05:55 <astearns> present+
17:06:14 <rdeltour> ... just a general reminder that we're hoping to go to 2nd Public Working Draft in mid-december
17:06:24 <rdeltour> ... we did major changes and need some feedback
17:06:33 <rdeltour> ... if you know someone, please pass it along
17:07:03 <rdeltour> ... we also need feedback on the Web Publications document
17:07:37 <rdeltour> ... BillK, I received your comments, you can put it in as a GitHub issue
17:07:56 <rdeltour> ... any comments?
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17:08:17 <rdeltour> topic: WCAG 2.1 and Digital Publishing
17:08:29 <rdeltour> tzviya: 2 issues affect DPUB
17:08:45 <rdeltour> ... 1: the concept of collection of documents and 2. the need for metadata
17:08:58 <rdeltour> ... a number of the people I hoped would join are not here today
17:09:13 <rdeltour> ... do we have enough people here to discuss this? WDYT?
17:09:22 <rdeltour> Katie: it feels like there should be more people
17:09:31 <rdeltour> tzivya: what's the timelime for WCAG 2.1?
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17:09:46 <rdeltour> katie: the FPWD is expected in late feb or march next year
17:10:09 <rdeltour> ... I can send an email to WCAG WG to say key people were not here and ask them to come next week
17:10:14 <HeatherF> present+ Heather_Flanagan
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17:10:24 <rdeltour> george: my understanding was Dec 1st was the cut-off date
17:10:40 <rdeltour> avneesh: if we need more time we need consensus from WCAG people
17:10:48 <rdeltour> geroge: I reviewed all the email threads on this
17:11:05 <rdeltour> ... it seems a web page is the appropriate category and we should be covered
17:11:16 <tzviya> set of web pages:https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#set-of-web-pagesdef
17:11:20 <rdeltour> ... we need an example of a web publication as a set of web pages
17:11:32 <rdeltour> ... Matt had some language that we could add as an example
17:11:37 <Avneesh> definition from Matt: "Example: A publication is split across multiple Web pages, where each page contains one chapter or other significant section of the work. The publication is logically a single contiguous unit, and contains navigation features that enable access to the full set of pages."
17:11:49 <rdeltour> ... we could then include more specific info on digitral publication in WCAG 2.1
17:12:01 <rdeltour> s/digitral/digital/
17:12:17 <rdeltour> tzviya: there was also discussion on work that could happen, not necessarily in WCAG
17:12:50 <rdeltour> ... I can't remember the name of the group who worked on that.
17:12:59 <rdeltour> avneesh: was it from David McDonald?
17:13:11 <rdeltour> tzivya: yes, David recommended that we could review this document first
17:13:33 <rdeltour> ... do we want to spend a few minutes just figuring out what DPUB needs to do?
17:13:47 <rdeltour> ... then offer  some time next Monday
17:14:17 <rdeltour> Katie: we can give some options. If they want to give us more time beyond Dec 1st
17:14:32 <rdeltour> tzviya: so, we have Matt's language that can be added to WCAG 2.1
17:14:46 <rdeltour> ... Davd McDonald would need to agree
17:15:14 <rdeltour> ... and hopefully that would resolve the concept of "publication", which affects the DPUB group in general
17:15:58 <rdeltour> ... to DPUB people: we're not defining the concept of publication or packaging in general, we're talking about definitions that can be used in the WCAG context
17:16:08 <rdeltour> ... where the concept of web pages is already defined
17:16:26 <rdeltour> george: if we can get this now as an example, then it is clearly in scope for WCAG 2.1
17:16:46 <rdeltour> ... the fear is that dibgital publishing could not be in scope because it wasn't in the work statement
17:17:21 <rdeltour> tzivya: the concept of a package or bundle or whatever, is not only for digital publishing (see the thread on packages for the web). We can remind WCAG about that
17:17:32 <rdeltour> ... the other issue is metadata
17:17:34 <clapierre> s/dibgital/digital
17:18:00 <rdeltour> ... issue 1 is whether metadata should be treated as a technique or best practice, or should be completely excluded from this revisions
17:18:11 <rdeltour> ... it seems we're leaning to the direction of a best practice
17:18:24 <rdeltour> george: wasn't the term "best practice" a proposed new category?
17:18:42 <rdeltour> katie: yes, because we were talking about possible multiple version of WCAG, silver after 2.1, etc
17:19:06 <rdeltour> ... organisations that wouldn't be able to update to a new version could still implement a SC from these new standards as a best practice
17:19:25 <rdeltour> ... when they do switch to the new standard for legal reasons, they would already be in good shape
17:19:34 <rdeltour> ... but in the mean time can't be sued for it
17:19:59 <rdeltour> avneesh: there was also another concept that if we can provide the bare minimum meteadata we could include it as SC in 2.1
17:20:21 <rdeltour> ... we were discussing accessibility-features and accessibility-summary, as a proper SC
17:20:35 <rdeltour> ... (in adddition to the "best practice" section)
17:20:45 <rdeltour> tzivya: we're talking about AAA features?
17:20:47 <rdeltour> avneesh: yes
17:21:07 <rdeltour> ... there was an action item for Katie to write a small document on metadata
17:21:14 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/appendixC.html
17:21:17 <rdeltour> katie: yes, for me and Wilco
17:21:34 <rdeltour> tzivya: there's also already an appendix on metadata, we need to see how it fits in
17:21:47 <rdeltour> ... I think we now know exactly what to address
17:22:03 <rdeltour> ... we have a proposal of a concept of publication to be included
17:22:14 <rdeltour> ... we have a proposal of SC for some metadata
17:22:33 <rdeltour> ... we have a proposal of  a best practice section for metadata
17:22:57 <rdeltour> charles: one comment is that we sitll didn't have formal acceptance for our accessibility metadata
17:23:03 <rdeltour> tzivya: do we have a timelime?
17:23:22 <rdeltour> avneesh: it's in the hands of schema.org, it's waiting to be pushed out, but the release date depends on them
17:23:50 <rdeltour> ... it's about accessiblity summary, accessmode sufficient but accessibility features is already there
17:24:00 <rdeltour> tzviya: I can try to ping them
17:24:31 <rdeltour> avneesh: I think for the WCAG best practices part it should not matter if the things are published on schema.org
17:24:48 <rdeltour> george: we just need to be official when WCAG 2.1 is further along
17:25:14 <rdeltour> katie: I don't know anything with schema.org's timeline, chaals might know
17:25:38 <rdeltour> tzviya: I'm going to send these minutes to WCAG people
17:25:41 <clapierre> s/sitll/still
17:26:17 <rdeltour> ... hopefully we'll be able to work this out within a week
17:26:25 <tzviya> q?
17:26:28 <rdeltour> ... any thing else from a larger DPUB perspective?
17:26:29 <Karen> q+
17:26:33 <tzviya> ack k
17:27:07 <tzviya> topic: new members
17:27:13 <rdeltour> karen: I'd like the group to start thinking about all the new members that are going to come over, towards the end of january
17:27:30 <rdeltour> ... I'm thinking of the kind of communication that you'd like to receive if you're in their shows
17:27:39 <rdeltour> ... we welcome help and volunteers in this effort
17:27:50 <rdeltour> ... what can we be doing to onboard new members
17:27:56 <rdeltour> tzviya: it's really good point
17:28:19 <rdeltour> ... I've been talking to the positive work environment task force, about the onboarding process
17:28:39 <rdeltour> ... I'll be on leave, but need somebody to step up to do this in my place
17:28:55 <rdeltour> ... it's a really good idea to di somthing a bit more than sending an email
17:29:00 <rdeltour> s/di/do/
17:29:02 <clapierre> q+
17:29:07 <tzviya> ack cl
17:29:46 <rdeltour> charles: quick question, what's the process to get the charter? how is it going to happen when IDPF members join?
17:30:08 <rdeltour> tzivya: I have a chartering meeting planned on Tuesday 6th, and will have more info after that
17:30:30 <rdeltour> ... at some point there will be a public version of the draft charter before we go to a vote.
17:30:40 <rdeltour> ... I don't have a timeline but it's not a quick process
17:30:48 <rdeltour> ... we also have a legal process in the background
17:30:53 <Karen> s/shows/shoes
17:30:58 <rdeltour> charles: does the IG have any influence on the WG?
17:31:31 <rdeltour> katie: usually an IG guides incubates the ideas addressed by the WG
17:31:48 <rdeltour> ... it identifies the things that need to be standardized, then the WG works on the standard itsefl
17:32:05 <rdeltour> tzviya: I think the IG is going to be replaced by the WG
17:32:18 <rdeltour> ... but don't want to answer specifically since I don't know the details
17:32:33 <rdeltour> ... any other questions?
17:32:39 <rdeltour> (silence)
17:32:50 <tzviya> rrsagent, make logs public
17:32:55 <tzviya> rrsagent, make minutes
17:32:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/11/28-dpub-minutes.html tzviya
17:32:58 <HeatherF> I'll be at STM in London
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20:11:14 <tzviya> rrsagent, bye
20:11:14 <RRSAgent> I see no action items