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19:57:02 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
19:57:02 <trackbot> Date: 23 November 2016
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19:57:38 <kerry> chair: kerry
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20:03:21 <kerry> regrets+ scott
20:03:32 <kerry> regrets+ dmitry
20:03:40 <kerry> regrets+ bill
20:03:40 <roba> present+
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20:04:05 <kerry> scribe: kerry
20:04:10 <kerry> scribeNick: kerry
20:04:18 <ChrisLittle> Present+ ChrisLittle
20:04:28 <kerry> topic: Progress on QB4ST https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/RDF_Datacube_for_Coverages - Rob
20:05:44 <kerry> rob: asking about automation of TOC and how to do biblios
20:06:28 <ChrisLittle> * apologies for  being late
20:06:43 <kerry> present+ kerry
20:06:56 <phila> -> http://www.specref.org/ Specref
20:07:08 <kerry> phila: TOC is right, for biblio see specref (link inserted above)
20:07:47 <kerry> roba: would be good to have some of this in boilerplate template...
20:07:54 <kerry> phila: agrees
20:07:56 <phila> -> https://github.com/w3c/respec/wiki ReSpec
20:08:12 <kerry> phila: points to this goude on the wiki
20:09:03 <kerry> phila: would be good to have the OGC specs in specref too --- you can get all W3C refs from there
20:10:19 <phila> -> https://www.w3.org/2016/11/sdsvoc/agenda SDSVoc
20:10:37 <kerry> phila: talked with scott about tooling last week --- there is a vocab tools meeting next week
20:11:14 <kerry> roba: would like to avoid having a coder smuggle a vocabulary inot a database --- we need to do better thatn windup clockwork
20:11:33 <kerry> ...usng graph structures
20:11:44 <kerry> s/usng//
20:12:30 <kerry> ....people smuggle semantics inot names in microformats
20:12:39 <kerry> ...and only one portla understands it
20:12:49 <kerry> s/portla/portal/
20:13:01 <ChrisLittle> +1   To Rob's   Sermon!
20:13:15 <kerry> ....so you do search broadening and get nothing useful
20:13:45 <ChrisLittle> S/portla/portal/
20:14:17 <kerry> back to qb4st..
20:15:08 <kerry> phila: appraoches to vocabs and how to describe datasets... DCAT is not enough
20:15:38 <kerry> roba:  need ability to build graph out of standardised modules
20:16:26 <kerry> phila: will pick up where data on th web stopped
20:16:40 <kerry> ....also includion negotiating metadata formats
20:16:49 <kerry> ..and vocabulary
20:17:10 <kerry> roba: profiles are important for discovery...
20:17:34 <kerry> ChrisLittle: workshop next week: is anyone from RDA coming?
20:18:01 <kerry> phila: yes, including keith jeffery who I work with
20:18:15 <kerry> ChrisLittle: I quite liike some of the RDA recs
20:18:44 <kerry> ...stable and persistent identifiers, archive and search mechanisms, really very important
20:19:04 <kerry> phila: rda worls group think is for DOIs only (inc vocab terms)
20:19:30 <kerry> phila: I tweeted on April 1st that all vocab terms will be dois
20:20:07 <kerry> ...NB for the minutes --- it was a JOKE!
20:21:47 <kerry> phila: all uris become 404s ---- furphy!
20:22:03 <kerry> phila: rants on about dois
20:22:25 <kerry> chris: my action for reviewing QB4st is happening now
20:22:28 <kerry> q+
20:22:51 <kerry> roba: would it be useful to point people at workshop to qb4st?
20:22:58 <kerry> ....active pice of work...
20:23:04 <kerry> q?
20:23:15 <kerry> scribeNick: kerry
20:23:30 <kerry> roba: would they be interested in helping further?
20:23:53 <kerry> phila: I can bring it up at the workshop
20:24:00 <kerry> q?
20:24:09 <kerry> ...barcamp session next Wed/Thursday
20:25:07 <kerry> ...exemplar of issue to describe important aspects of data in finer detail.... need something beyond a fixed schema,  and making search mechanisms work so you need governance
20:25:24 <kerry> .... could advertise this process
20:25:40 <kerry> q?
20:26:27 <kerry> phila: last thing on second day (overflow slot)
20:26:43 <kerry> q?
20:26:56 <kerry> ack kerry
20:26:59 <phila> -> https://www.w3.org/2016/11/sdsvoc/agenda#barCamp SDSVoc Bar Camp
20:32:18 <kerry> topic:  eo-qb  http://w3c.github.io/sdw/eo-qb/
20:34:43 <kerry> q?
20:35:39 <kerry> roba: is it ok the mention linked data api as implemented in the UK?
20:36:09 <kerry> phila: no normative references so rules are more relaxed.... can refer to linked data api but not a specific product or company
20:37:03 <kerry> topic: Progress on http://w3c.github.io/sdw/coverage-json/
20:37:35 <kerry> phila: chris have u heard of oceanwise? a company that does GIS/Marien stuff
20:37:54 <kerry> ...was talking about the time ontology and that we are short of eyes on this
20:38:02 <kerry> ....want to see some questions asked...
20:38:24 <kerry> ....will u have time and incination for time?
20:38:32 <kerry> s/inination/inclination/
20:39:32 <kerry> chris: have  been working on OGC to progres some of thse calendar vs CRS issues
20:39:45 <kerry> phila: asks for video on that talk in Nottingham
20:40:02 <kerry> chris: slides are somewhere
20:40:19 <kerry> q?
20:42:00 <kerry> phila: ... has to be in a state where it is understandable .... what is there now is fine
20:42:36 <kerry> phila: I will take care of respec problems
20:44:16 <kerry> kerry: bill still to do update and review before December vote
20:51:21 <phila> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/owl-time/ OWL TIme
20:53:12 <kerry> ....scribe talking too much
20:53:26 <kerry> [discussing owl-time]
20:54:15 <kerry> kerry: can put owl-time on every plenary
20:54:44 <kerry> chris:asks what an ontology implementation looks like
20:55:14 <kerry> phila: 2 independent people in different systems have exchnaged data using each term
20:56:26 <kerry> roba: if we have a term in a dataset where the the namespace is declared somewhere in the metadata --- would that doo or is fully qualified uri necessary?
20:57:02 <kerry> phila: ok if we can show that the ontology is actually encoding something that has been used for fifty years everwhere this might do
20:57:36 <kerry> roba: this data is declared via an equivalent uri
20:58:12 <kerry> chris; will be using webcams for a little project in Jan -- can use this as an implementation I think
20:58:14 <kerry> q+
20:58:21 <kerry> ....tells me it snowed
20:59:45 <kerry> chris: all the interantional climate predictions ...
21:00:26 <kerry> phila: if we can find lots of implementations of the old owl then we can put the old stuff as normative and the new stuff as non-normative
21:00:34 <kerry> chirs; good for plan b
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21:03:26 <phila> s/Working Group/Coverages Sub Group/
21:03:34 <phila> chair: kerry
21:04:26 <phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Coverage-Telecon201611123
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