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18:11:17 <trackbot> Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
18:11:17 <trackbot> Date: 22 November 2016
18:11:30 <cwebber2> I guess I can scribe
18:11:52 <sandro> got for it cwebber2
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18:11:56 <cwebber2> k
18:12:14 <cwebber2> scribenick: cwebber2
18:12:22 <cwebber2> eprodrom: let's get started
18:12:33 <cwebber2> eprodrom: I guess we have three big items that we need to get to
18:12:50 <cwebber2> ... let's get started with the minutes
18:13:12 <eprodrom> PROPOSED: approve https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-11-08-minutes as minutes for Nov 8 meeting
18:13:50 <cwebber2> +1
18:13:59 <cwebber2> <cwebber2> +1
18:14:04 <ben_thatmustbeme> +1
18:14:28 <aaronpk> I see "RESOLUTION: cancel Tuesday Nov 15 2016 telecon" in those minutes
18:15:01 <eprodrom> +1
18:15:10 <sandro> +1
18:15:19 <eprodrom> RESOLVED: approve https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-11-08-minutes as minutes for Nov 8 meeting
18:15:29 <cwebber2> eprodrom: alright, since we have all +1s marked as resolved
18:15:45 <cwebber2> ... now onto the slightly more difficult process of our face to face minutes, which have traditionally been our ???
18:15:57 <cwebber2> ... traditionally been a weak point
18:16:07 <cwebber2> ... we have a lot of minutes we drop out for our f2f meetings
18:16:38 <cwebber2> ... so I guess the question goes to our scribes for our most recent meetings (along with myself and tantek since we're ultimately responsible) on how to get up minutes for 17th and 18th
18:16:41 <cwebber2> ... there they are
18:16:49 <cwebber2> ben_thatmustbeme: yeah I already generated them
18:16:52 <cwebber2> eprodrom: fantastic
18:17:02 <eprodrom> PROPOSED: APPROVE https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-11-17-minutes as first day minutes for Nov 17 2016 f2f
18:17:40 <ben_thatmustbeme> should we wait a week for people to have time to read them?
18:17:43 <eprodrom> PROPOSED: APPROVE https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-11-17-minutes and APPROVE https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2016-11-18-minutes as minutes for Nov 17 2016 f2f
18:17:48 <Loqi> hehe
18:18:00 <aaronpk> that's so many minutes
18:18:07 <aaronpk> it's almost... hours
18:18:08 <tantek> present+
18:18:13 <ben_thatmustbeme> present+
18:18:22 <cwebber2> eprodrom: yeah, that's many minutes
18:18:29 <cwebber2> tantek: has anyone had a chance to read them?
18:18:37 <cwebber2> eprodrom: we could pause and review for next week
18:18:45 <cwebber2> tantek: will confess I haven't had a chance to read them myself
18:18:46 <ben_thatmustbeme> q+ to remind everyone to present+ themselves
18:18:53 <ben_thatmustbeme> q-
18:18:54 <eprodrom> ack ben_thatmustbeme
18:19:00 <eprodrom> present+
18:19:04 <cwebber2> present+
18:19:28 <cwebber2> eprodrom: so I'd like to table this proposal and take it for next week's meeting to be sure we put it on the agenda for then
18:19:40 <cwebber2> ... getting those meeting minutes up
18:20:12 <cwebber2> ... so we can go on from approving minutes and see what our agenda is for today
18:20:19 <cwebber2> ... ok great
18:20:29 <cwebber2> ... so first item on agenda is websub
18:20:32 <aaronpk> present+
18:20:35 <cwebber2> ... julian or aaron, are you on?
18:20:39 <tantek> chair: eprodrom
18:20:39 <cwebber2> aaronpk: I'm on
18:20:47 <cwebber2> eprodrom: mind leading agenda on websub, what's next?
18:20:52 <tantek> s/julian/julien
18:21:03 <cwebber2> aaronpk: sure, so since friday I've been working on merging pull requests & resolving issues
18:21:15 <aaronpk> https://w3c.github.io/websub/
18:21:18 <cwebber2> ... those are all incorporated now and the editor's draft is now up to date at the new URL here
18:21:21 <tantek> nice work
18:21:26 <cwebber2> ... the rename is complete
18:21:56 <cwebber2> ... so definitely review that, the major differences are the discovery section where we hashed out the ??? and put the host-meta at risk, capability URL is now in
18:22:20 <cwebber2> ... there are still several issues open and some pull requests I'd like to review, but the majority of things discussed in meeting are now incorporated
18:22:31 <cwebber2> ... we're hoping to publish the ED at the new w3 url with the rename
18:22:42 <cwebber2> ... I believe that new shortname was approved, so we just need to stage that for publication
18:22:59 <cwebber2> ... my main questions for the group is how much we need to wait for the rest of / getting through more issues
18:23:04 <cwebber2> ... or is this enough to warrant a new WD?
18:23:09 <cwebber2> tantek: I'd like to see a ChangeLog
18:23:13 <cwebber2> aaronpk: great idea
18:23:23 <cwebber2> tantek: that's required for publication in my view
18:23:32 <cwebber2> aaronpk: yeah, didn't realize it wasn't there, will add it
18:23:36 <cwebber2> ... right after this call
18:24:04 <cwebber2> eprodrom: anything else you'd like to put in front of the group for websub?
18:24:06 <cwebber2> aaronpk: nope
18:24:23 <cwebber2> eprodrom: do we need another WD?
18:24:47 <cwebber2> aaronpk: we need to do another WD for the rename.  Question is whether to close more issues before working draft or is incorporation of changes from F2F discussion sufficient for new WD
18:25:08 <cwebber2> eprodrom: so we have open issues... what's the expected timeframe for closing remaining issues?
18:25:11 <cwebber2> aaronpk: not totally sure
18:25:19 <cwebber2> ... they're all similar scope to other ones, nothing super unusual
18:25:25 <cwebber2> ... just a matter of talking through them on github
18:25:35 <cwebber2> eprodrom: ok... 1 week?  2 weeks?  6 weeks?
18:25:42 <cwebber2> aaronpk: I imagine many more closed before next call
18:25:51 <cwebber2> eprodrom: what's your preference
18:26:02 <cwebber2> aaronpk: WD are easy to do, so I'd prefer to do one sooner to get new short url in place
18:26:16 <cwebber2> eprodrom: so what I'd like to propose is we publish a new WD of websub
18:26:29 <cwebber2> ... based on ED of ??? 22
18:26:30 <ben_thatmustbeme> conditional on changelog
18:26:34 <cwebber2> ... with a changelog
18:26:35 <eprodrom> PROPOSED: publish new working draft of Websub based on editor's draft of Nov 22 with a changelog
18:26:46 <cwebber2> cwebber2: +1
18:26:58 <cwebber2> tantek: all changes for difficult stuff done from the f2f?
18:27:01 <ben_thatmustbeme> s/of ??? 22/ of 11\/22
18:27:11 <cwebber2> aaronpk: I believe so?
18:27:16 <cwebber2> tantek: the stuff that took more time than we expected
18:27:30 <cwebber2> aaronpk: yes I believe so, those have been worked on over the weekend and this morning
18:28:09 <aaronpk> https://github.com/w3c/websub/issues/53
18:28:17 <cwebber2> ... I think most of that got wrapped up in issue 53 there
18:29:05 <eprodrom> +1
18:29:06 <cwebber2> tantek: +1
18:29:12 <ben_thatmustbeme> +1
18:29:15 <aaronpk> +1
18:29:38 <sandro> +1
18:29:41 <ben_thatmustbeme> tantek was citing minutes at 13:19:19 (by my client) aaronpk
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18:29:55 <eprodrom> RESOLVED: publish new working draft of Websub based on editor's draft of Nov 22 with a changelog
18:30:41 <ben_thatmustbeme> websub++
18:30:41 <Loqi> websub has 1 karma in this channel (2 overall)
18:31:07 <cwebber2> eprodrom: good, so that's the last item on our agenda for today, so next thing we should do is walk through document status for our documents
18:31:14 <cwebber2> ... can talk about where we are for each one
18:31:20 <cwebber2> ... with the exception of websub
18:31:31 <ben_thatmustbeme> I know tantek had some PTD updates
18:31:41 <cwebber2> ... hopefully we don't' need to swap around for chair
18:32:01 <cwebber2> tantek: I can do a verbal summary of PTD
18:32:21 <eprodrom> Other document status?
18:32:24 <cwebber2> eprodrom: let's do PTD, then I'll do AS2, then I'll ask the group... do we have other documents with updated status we'd like to discuss
18:32:29 <cwebber2> <cwebber2> no changes to report
18:32:33 <cwebber2> aaronpk: no changes to report
18:33:12 <cwebber2> eprodrom: let's put tantek and PTD first.. if you have something to discuss, put yourself on the agenda
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18:33:40 <cwebber2> tantek: not ready for new version this week, but hopefully next week
18:33:59 <cwebber2> ... some commenters were looking for multiple post types coming out of the algorithm, what should you do if you want multiple post types
18:34:29 <cwebber2> ... so that's the first thing to do is to support multiple post types as the output while still keeping the notion of a primary type for implementations that want to say "if you ahve to pick here's what to pick"
18:34:37 <cwebber2> ... so that's one new approach we hadn't previously discussed
18:35:02 <cwebber2> ... second thing is I learned of ben_thatmustbeme converting MF2 to AS2 today, so I'm hoping to look into that to see how much of post type discovery he's implemented there
18:35:14 <cwebber2> ... since that's a key feature of PTD
18:35:22 <cwebber2> ... so those are my two updates, any comments or questions
18:35:40 <cwebber2> eprodrom: any questions?
18:35:53 <cwebber2> tantek: or anything that needs to be in next WD?  otherwise I'll make fixes and propose it
18:36:02 <eprodrom> q?
18:36:15 <cwebber2> eprodrom: looks like no we don't have any questions, queue seems empty.  so thanks for the update tantek, good to see this process moving along
18:36:24 <cwebber2> tantek: ok more next week then
18:36:32 <cwebber2> eprodrom: I'm going to take this opportunity to give an update on AS2
18:37:09 <cwebber2> ... we generated quite a few issues to AS2 last week.  we were down to 2, and we cleared out 1 during our meeting and added 6 more, plus resolved one with some new text (and one that was difficult, the default language one)
18:37:38 <cwebber2> ... I have not pushed a new version to ED unfortunately, I need to get that done.  goal is to get that done for next meeting.  I'd prefer to have it done by the end of th week so people can review by next meeting
18:38:07 <cwebber2> ... the other main item for me is the AS2 validator, holding off until we can make changes to document itself because somehting needs to be updated in validator specifically around SHOULDs and MAYs
18:38:16 <cwebber2> ... some of the things SHOULDs prev are now slightly weakened
18:38:22 <cwebber2> ... any questions on AS2?
18:38:37 <cwebber2> tantek: hoping to get an ED with changlog for next week for consideration for CR?
18:38:41 <cwebber2> eprodrom: that's exactly it
18:38:44 <ben_thatmustbeme> I just wanted to point out a new Implementation Report PR is in eprodrom
18:38:49 <cwebber2> ... ok great
18:39:14 <cwebber2> ... I'll check our agenda for updates, looks like as2 is still at bottom, so I think we've come to the end of our agenda
18:39:18 <cwebber2> ... anything else to discuss?
18:39:37 <cwebber2> ... ok otherwise we'll get our remaining minutes back... last week was very productive so we're all probably talked out
18:39:47 <cwebber2> ... so, wrap up the meeting and look forward to next meeting on the 29th
18:40:00 <cwebber2> tantek: reminder, review the F2F logs for last week
18:40:03 <eprodrom> OK, I just dropped!
18:40:06 <eprodrom> Thanks everyone.
18:40:18 <eprodrom> trackbot, end meeting
18:40:18 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
18:40:18 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been tantek, ben_thatmustbeme, eprodrom, cwebber, aaronpk
18:40:19 <cwebber2> tantek: sounds like evan dropped off, so thanks everyone!
18:40:25 <ben_thatmustbeme> cwebber2++
18:40:25 <Loqi> cwebber2 has 82 karma
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