IRC log of silver on 2016-11-22

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Meeting: Silver Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 22 November 2016
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14:33:25 [SarahHorton]
present+ Sarah, Jeanne, Dave
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agenda+ public announcement of Stakeholder form
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agenda+ Preparing package of Silver information for faculty to enroll help with the Silver research
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14:38:23 [jeanne]
agenda+ Preparing package of Silver information for faculty to enroll help with the Silver research
14:38:55 [jeanne]
present+ Sarah, Jeanne, David_Sloan
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JS: What do we information do we need to have to give to faculty
14:39:46 [jeanne]
DS: That's a big question that is related to the depth of the information we want to have from the research.
14:40:38 [jeanne]
... Include the nature of the work we want to be required.
14:41:06 [jeanne]
... Give the date we want to get the data, whether it is an individual of team projects
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s/individual of team /individual or team
14:41:39 [jeanne]
... having project ideas is helpful.
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JS: Maybe we are too specific
14:42:31 [jeanne]
DS: Not necessarily. That will help faculty to position it. Some graduate students might want to contribute in their own time.
14:42:44 [jeanne]
... it depends on the benefit they get from the research.
14:43:19 [jeanne]
... since this project is helping gather research to design Silver and not to contribute directly into the guidelines
14:43:54 [jeanne]
... presumably there is no money, so the benefit is gathering data that could be used in a research publication.
14:44:19 [jeanne]
Research Activities:
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* Build Stakeholder Map, who are the people we want to learn from.
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* Build surveys to send to Stakeholders and public
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DS: Piloting surveys will be important
14:47:48 [jeanne]
* Interviews - help design the structure and how we get data from it. Doing the Interviews
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* Self Reporting Activity - we design a self reporting vehicle so people can track how they use WCAG. We could design them for different roles.
14:49:19 [jeanne]
SH: Self Reporting is an area where we need help
14:50:25 [jeanne]
DS: I think it is better for the Task Force to design and run the survey
14:50:42 [jeanne]
... there are deadlines for defining projects in the academic calendar.
14:51:47 [jeanne]
...Easter for summer projects. There are post-grads who may want to work on those.
14:52:11 [jeanne]
* Research into secondary research into other organizations
14:53:22 [jeanne]
DS: RQTF met last week for the first time.
14:53:46 [jeanne]
... they discussed a new project on authentication and security
14:54:50 [jeanne]
... next meeting is Wed, 30 November. There is enough in the research section that could be packaged together in a research publication, which is motivation.
14:57:03 [jeanne]
action: Jeanne to check about research questions and whether W3C limits publication opportunities.
14:57:03 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-3 - Check about research questions and whether w3c limits publication opportunities. [on Jeanne F Spellman - due 2016-11-29].
14:57:28 [jeanne]
* Analysis of WCAG Adaptations
14:58:58 [jeanne]
SH: We have very specific questions about the WCAG adaptations. Along the lines of intellectual property and our objectives. We need to make sure our objectives are met. We need to make sure there is something in it for others, but we also need to make sure we get our questions answered.
14:59:24 [jeanne]
DS: I don't think that is a problem as long as our questions are answered.
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s/our questions are answered. /the questions are clearly stated.
15:00:04 [jeanne]
DS: I know people that I can say "would you like to work with me?"
15:00:27 [jeanne]
... this is a pro bono request, so we should be asking lots of people to do small amounts.
15:00:53 [jeanne]
... the risk of faculty proposing projects to their students is that no student takes it on.
15:01:17 [jeanne]
... Or, if the project is picked up by a student, they may not do the project to the quality level needed.
15:03:39 [jeanne]
JS: I had a good experience with ATAG testing using graduate students. Some didn't do much, but some were outstanding.
15:04:04 [jeanne]
... also the surveys, I want help with creating valid surveys.
15:04:19 [jeanne]
DS: Sampling, eliminating bias, how to ask the questions.
15:04:46 [jeanne]
SH: Let's blend a few things that are powerful and effective:
15:05:09 [jeanne]
... filling the gap, we have all the skills and knowledge we need to get a good outcome
15:05:31 [jeanne]
... their objectives are to do meaningful projects that will move poeple foward in their scholarly career.
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... we want to partner up
15:06:44 [jeanne]
... we are in a mentoring role, like the Teaching Accessibility Initiative, where we bring our expertise in accessibility standards, and we bring mentoring. The papers are also done in partnership.
15:08:00 [jeanne]
DS: What do we have to do to look at each question to package it as a piece of work.
15:08:35 [jeanne]
... in a 4-month project, the faculty and student would meet weekly, and then a 3rd party (us) would meet with them bi-weekly.
15:10:59 [jeanne]
JS: I'm concerned about the time commitment of what we are getting involved in for a partnership
15:11:12 [jeanne]
SH: The research is what we are doing for the next year.
15:13:38 [jeanne]
DS: Should we invite faculty to join WCAG and/or RQTF. We wouldn't need to attend every student project meeting if the faculty were a member of RQTF or Silver. Scott Hollier was very interested, there are a few academics who have access to students that we can tap into.
15:14:53 [jeanne]
JS: I received an email from Rachael with contacts that she has reached out to who are interested in participating.
15:15:56 [jeanne]
DS: That gives us two vehicles to approach faculty -- faculty themselves, and student projects.
15:17:24 [jeanne]
SH: Maybe our first ask of the research scholarly community, "we have this process, informed by evidence, global impact. We need your help, we will follow up with specific ask. Our introductory packet is making a case for getting people invovleed and outlining the benefits.
15:20:11 [jeanne]
... make those benefits explicit. For example, "we are handing you a curriculum for your summer project".
15:20:28 [jeanne]
DS: Expected outcomes are very valuable.
15:21:11 [jeanne]
JS: Let's not waste a lot of time on trying to convince faculty who are skeptical. We have people who are interested and want to participate. We don't need hundreds of people.
15:21:26 [jeanne]
SH: Package it up so it is easy for them to see the benefits.
15:21:59 [jeanne]
DS: Like "this is suitable for a final year student, or this is for graduate students"
15:23:45 [SarahHorton]
This is a brainstorming document for the packet for asking for faculty assistance with research:
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