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16:56:55 <trackbot> Meeting: Audio Working Group Teleconference
16:56:55 <trackbot> Date: 10 November 2016
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17:02:28 <padenot> hi
17:02:33 <rtoyg_m> Aloha!
17:02:41 <rtoyg_m> present rtoyg_m
17:02:47 <rtoyg_m> present+ rtoyg_m
17:03:04 <hongchan> present+ hongchan
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17:07:08 <joe> present+ joe
17:07:28 <joe> joe: let's start with lifetime issue https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/475
17:07:43 <jdsmith> present+ jdsmith
17:10:29 <rtoyg_m> scribenick: rtoyg_m
17:10:45 <rtoyg_m> hongchan: Active reference is easy to understand, spec, and implement
17:11:25 <rtoyg_m> joe: Any comments?  This is the last major thing for AudioWorklets.
17:11:44 <joe> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/475#issuecomment-256781404
17:16:38 <joe> rtoy: say you have a worklet and the developer returns nothing from process() (no return value)
17:17:00 <joe> rtoy: you connect an input to it and process runs
17:20:08 <joe> joe: process() will still run as soon as inputs are connected
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17:21:23 <joe> rtoy: now we don't need a way to handl tailTime independent of the active source proposal
17:21:49 <rtoyg_m> rtoyg_m, joe: General agreement on active source idea.
17:22:04 <hongchan> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/990
17:22:12 <rtoyg_m> rtoyg_m: Let's not do tailtime, because there will then be two ways to do it.
17:23:30 <rtoyg_m> joe:  /summarizes the issue
17:24:24 <rtoyg_m> joe: Probably not desirable to do properties.
17:24:49 <rtoyg_m> joe: Still be necessary to hand-code property getter/setters for fancier things.
17:25:30 <rtoyg_m> joe:  The best way is sendData messaging for implementing properties.
17:25:58 <rtoyg_m> joe: But what about AudioParams?  Advantage of map-like is no namespace collision.
17:27:18 <rtoyg_m> joe: So proposal is no map-like for properties, map-like for AudioParams
17:28:36 <rtoyg_m> padenot: After further reading, it should be fine.
17:28:43 <joe> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/988#issuecomment-253140436
17:31:20 <rtoyg_m> joe: Bottom line: hard for developers to implement detection and notification of property change.
17:31:42 <rtoyg_m> padenot: Not hard, but kind of a regression in capability.
17:32:41 <rtoyg_m> hongchan: map-like for AudioParam makes sense to group together.
17:38:27 <rtoyg_m> hongchan, joe: Postpone decision until next week; hongchan to follow up with Elliot.
17:39:09 <joe> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/1067
17:39:33 <joe> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/95
17:41:16 <hongchan> ABSN loop subsample: https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/336
17:41:22 <hongchan> Our answer was 'NO'.
17:43:21 <rtoyg_m> For start, see https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/915
17:48:58 <joe> joe: Actually 915 shows that we revised our answer to YES
17:49:22 <joe> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/1067
17:50:29 <hongchan> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/pull/1051
17:51:11 <ghaudiobot> [web-audio-api] padenot pushed 1 new commit to gh-pages: https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/commit/a9f028fa229e2babb72bf19e978440e24daeddc1
17:51:11 <ghaudiobot> web-audio-api/gh-pages a9f028f Raymond Toy: Fix #713: Specify clamping of automation times....
17:52:31 <rtoyg_m> joe:  WebAudio rechartered!
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