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17:37:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
17:37:32 <trackbot> Date: 10 November 2016
17:37:45 <MichaelC> chair: MichaelC
17:37:55 <MichaelC> regrets: Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Jon_Gunderson
17:37:58 <MichaelC> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Nov/0032.html
17:38:05 <MichaelC> scribeOptions: -final
17:38:25 <MichaelC> agenda+ Continue ARIA 1.2 triage of HTML 5 features
17:38:34 <MichaelC> agenda+ ARIA 1.1 testing update
17:38:42 <MichaelC> agenda+ SVG2 update
17:38:48 <MichaelC> agenda+ DPub Roles update
17:39:02 <MichaelC> present+
17:51:18 <MichaelC> regrets+ Matt_King
17:56:58 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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18:01:35 <janina> present + Janina
18:01:54 <jemma> present+ JemmaJaeunKu
18:02:23 <MichaelC> present+ Stefan
18:02:37 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:02:39 <tzviya> present+ Tzviya
18:02:45 <MichaelC> present+ Janina
18:02:55 <MichaelC> present+ Jason
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18:05:34 <MichaelC> zakim, take up item 4
18:05:34 <Zakim> agendum 4. "DPub Roles update" taken up [from MichaelC]
18:05:41 <MichaelC> need CfC from ARIA and DPub IG
18:05:56 <MichaelC> now targeting 29 Nov for CR
18:06:09 <MichaelC> of DPub Roles
18:06:50 <MichaelC> (DPub AAM for Jan, along with the other AAMs)
18:07:09 <MichaelC> zakim, close this item
18:07:09 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
18:07:10 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:07:10 <Zakim> 1. Continue ARIA 1.2 triage of HTML 5 features [from MichaelC]
18:07:13 <MichaelC> zakim, take up item 3
18:07:13 <Zakim> agendum 3. "SVG2 update" taken up [from MichaelC]
18:07:32 <MichaelC> no updates
18:07:38 <MichaelC> zakim, close this item
18:07:38 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
18:07:39 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:07:39 <Zakim> 1. Continue ARIA 1.2 triage of HTML 5 features [from MichaelC]
18:07:52 <MichaelC> zakim, take up item 2
18:07:52 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ARIA 1.1 testing update" taken up [from MichaelC]
18:08:20 <MichaelC> present+ Bryan
18:08:42 <MichaelC> jd: Joanie´s ATTA working
18:08:44 <MichaelC> not yet merged
18:08:49 <MichaelC> need to address a11y events
18:08:58 <MichaelC> back-and-forth with Shane
18:09:47 <MichaelC> Rich has held off on testable statements, probably will return to that after his
18:09:50 <MichaelC> Jon working on IA2
18:09:59 <MichaelC> JD still needs to work on AXAPI ATTA
18:10:46 <MichaelC> hope we can start doing meaningful testing in Dec
18:10:54 <MichaelC> still need to get it all merged and put into WPT
18:11:24 <jemma> aria testing meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2016/11/09-aria-test-minutes.html
18:11:50 <MichaelC> can still do manual testing
18:12:03 <MichaelC> mc: but that might impact timeline :(
18:12:11 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
18:12:11 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Continue ARIA 1.2 triage of HTML 5 features" taken up [from MichaelC]
18:12:40 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/ HTML 5.1
18:13:48 <MichaelC> input element
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18:14:49 <bgaraventa1979> present+ Bryan_Garaventa
18:15:09 <MichaelC> maxlength / minlength
18:15:28 <MichaelC> -> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/ HTML-AAM editors draft
18:16:05 <MichaelC> jn: does it truncate?
18:16:08 <MichaelC> mc: yes, possibly
18:16:48 <MichaelC> do we need this for equivalent user experience?
18:16:52 <MichaelC> jn, jd: no
18:17:55 <MichaelC> js: in HTML-AAM, is not mapped
18:19:06 <MichaelC> @size
18:19:09 <MichaelC> no need for ARIA
18:19:29 <MichaelC> @readonly, @required covered
18:19:31 <MichaelC> @mulitple
18:20:17 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-multiple-attribute
18:20:49 <jamesn> i could see it being useful for something like this http://www.oracle.com/webfolder/technetwork/jet/jetCookbook.html?component=select&demo=multi
18:21:07 <MichaelC> may need this
18:22:57 <MichaelC> issue 470 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/470
18:23:10 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
18:23:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/11/10-aria-minutes.html MichaelC
18:23:32 <MichaelC> @pattern
18:23:33 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-pattern-attribute
18:24:06 <MichaelC> no need
18:24:18 <MichaelC> @min and @max
18:24:18 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-min-and-max-attributes
18:24:37 <MichaelC> correspond to @aria-valuemin and @aria-valuemax
18:25:30 <MichaelC> jd: HTML AAM needs to address these
18:25:41 <MichaelC> @step
18:25:42 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-step-attribute
18:26:40 <clown> issue-539
18:26:40 <trackbot> issue-539 -- aria-valuestep -- raised
18:26:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/539
18:28:44 <MichaelC> GH-ISSUE 471 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/471
18:29:22 <MichaelC> @list
18:29:22 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-list-attribute
18:30:16 <MichaelC> jd: could map to combobox but might be bad
18:30:23 <MichaelC> or could map to autocomplete
18:30:30 <MichaelC> maybe it´s like aria-haspopup
18:30:44 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/html-aam/master/#att-list
18:33:13 <MichaelC> GH-ISSUE 472 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/472
18:34:08 <MichaelC> @placeholder
18:34:10 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-placeholder-attribute
18:34:20 <MichaelC> covered
18:35:11 <MichaelC> <button>
18:35:12 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-button-element
18:35:14 <MichaelC> covered
18:35:24 <MichaelC> <select>
18:35:24 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-select-element
18:35:26 <MichaelC> covered
18:35:34 <MichaelC> <datalist>
18:35:34 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-datalist-element
18:35:43 <MichaelC> jd: popup list
18:36:12 <MichaelC> deal with on @list action
18:36:17 <MichaelC> note added to GH-ISSUE 472
18:36:33 <MichaelC> <optgroup>
18:36:33 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-optgroup-element
18:37:19 <MichaelC> js: using group role for now
18:39:23 <MichaelC> GH-ISSUE 473 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/473
18:39:35 <MichaelC> <option>
18:39:35 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-option-element
18:39:36 <MichaelC> covered
18:39:45 <MichaelC> <textarea>
18:39:46 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-textarea-element
18:40:00 <MichaelC> covered (text aria-multiline)
18:40:09 <MichaelC> <keygen>
18:40:09 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-keygen-element
18:40:52 <MichaelC> being removed, so don´t bother
18:41:05 <MichaelC> <output>
18:41:05 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-output-element
18:42:16 <MichaelC> js: mapping to a live region
18:42:50 <MichaelC> no need to map
18:43:12 <MichaelC> probably - unless something comes our way during HTML-AAM work
18:43:27 <MichaelC> <progress>
18:43:27 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-progress-element
18:43:38 <MichaelC> covered
18:43:43 <MichaelC> <meter>
18:43:44 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-meter-element
18:44:31 <MichaelC> we have GH-ISSUE 451 already https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/451
18:44:53 <MichaelC> <fieldset>
18:44:54 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-fieldset-element
18:45:37 <MichaelC> covered by group or radiogroup
18:45:50 <MichaelC> <legend>
18:45:50 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-legend-element
18:45:53 <MichaelC> covered
18:46:47 <MichaelC> == moving on to grouping elements ==
18:46:49 <MichaelC> <p>
18:46:50 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-p-element
18:47:33 <MichaelC> GH-ISSUE 474 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/474
18:47:43 <MichaelC> <h4>
18:47:45 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-hr-element
18:47:47 <MichaelC> covered
18:47:56 <MichaelC> s/<h4>/<hr>/
18:48:05 <MichaelC> <pre>
18:48:05 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-pre-element
18:48:40 <MichaelC> GH-ISSUE 475 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/475
18:48:56 <MichaelC> <blockquote>
18:48:56 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-blockquote-element
18:49:31 <MichaelC> GH-ISSUE 476 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/476
18:49:50 <MichaelC> <ol>
18:49:50 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-ol-element
18:50:04 <MichaelC> <ul>
18:50:05 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-ul-element
18:50:14 <MichaelC> jd: we have list, but do we need to distinguish the types?
18:50:19 <MichaelC> jn: not sure we need
18:50:34 <MichaelC> the bullet / number gets exposed to AT
18:50:46 <MichaelC> jd: have seen lists with no indicators
18:50:52 <MichaelC> had to use heuristics
18:51:23 <MichaelC> mc: can´t count on indicator in ARIA
18:51:30 <MichaelC> jn: in which case also sighted users don´t have
18:51:47 <MichaelC> jd: there are layout lists and list lists
18:52:51 <MichaelC> let´s not tackle this problem for now
18:53:01 <MichaelC> <li>
18:53:01 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-li-element
18:53:03 <MichaelC> covered
18:53:11 <MichaelC> <dl>
18:53:12 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-dl-element
18:53:30 <MichaelC> <dt>
18:53:30 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-dt-element
18:53:37 <MichaelC> <dd>
18:53:37 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-dd-element
18:54:10 <clown> https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#term
18:55:32 <clown> https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#term
18:55:58 <joanie> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#definition
18:55:59 <clown> https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#definition
18:58:07 <MichaelC> <figure>
18:58:07 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-figure-element
18:58:28 <MichaelC> <figcaption>
18:58:28 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-figcaption-element
18:59:06 <MichaelC> both covered
18:59:19 <MichaelC> <main>
18:59:19 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-main-element
18:59:22 <MichaelC> covered
18:59:30 <MichaelC> <div>
18:59:31 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-div-element
19:02:24 <MichaelC> GH-ISSUE 478 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/478
19:02:32 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
19:02:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/11/10-aria-minutes.html MichaelC
19:06:34 <MichaelC> zakim, bye
19:06:34 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been MichaelC, Joanmarie_Diggs, JemmaJaeunKu, Stefan, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Tzviya, Janina, Jason, Bryan, Bryan_Garaventa
19:06:34 <Zakim> Zakim has left #aria
19:06:37 <MichaelC> rrsagent, bye
19:06:37 <RRSAgent> I see no action items