IRC log of aria on 2016-11-10
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- Zakim, this will be
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- Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 10 November 2016
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- chair: MichaelC
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- regrets: Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Jon_Gunderson
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- agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Nov/0032.html
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- agenda+ Continue ARIA 1.2 triage of HTML 5 features
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- agenda+ ARIA 1.1 testing update
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- agenda+ SVG2 update
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- agenda+ DPub Roles update
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- present+
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- regrets+ Matt_King
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- present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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- present + Janina
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- present+ JemmaJaeunKu
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- present+ Stefan
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- present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
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- present+ Tzviya
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- present+ Janina
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- present+ Jason
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- zakim, take up item 4
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- agendum 4. "DPub Roles update" taken up [from MichaelC]
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- need CfC from ARIA and DPub IG
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- now targeting 29 Nov for CR
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- of DPub Roles
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- (DPub AAM for Jan, along with the other AAMs)
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 4 closed
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- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 1. Continue ARIA 1.2 triage of HTML 5 features [from MichaelC]
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- zakim, take up item 3
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- agendum 3. "SVG2 update" taken up [from MichaelC]
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- no updates
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 3 closed
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- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 1. Continue ARIA 1.2 triage of HTML 5 features [from MichaelC]
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- zakim, take up item 2
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- agendum 2. "ARIA 1.1 testing update" taken up [from MichaelC]
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- present+ Bryan
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- jd: Joanie´s ATTA working
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- not yet merged
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- need to address a11y events
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- back-and-forth with Shane
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- Rich has held off on testable statements, probably will return to that after his
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- Jon working on IA2
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- JD still needs to work on AXAPI ATTA
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- hope we can start doing meaningful testing in Dec
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- still need to get it all merged and put into WPT
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- aria testing meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2016/11/09-aria-test-minutes.html
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- can still do manual testing
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- mc: but that might impact timeline :(
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1. "Continue ARIA 1.2 triage of HTML 5 features" taken up [from MichaelC]
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- -> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/ HTML 5.1
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- input element
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- present+ Bryan_Garaventa
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- maxlength / minlength
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- -> https://w3c.github.io/html-aam/ HTML-AAM editors draft
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- jn: does it truncate?
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- mc: yes, possibly
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- do we need this for equivalent user experience?
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- jn, jd: no
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- js: in HTML-AAM, is not mapped
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- @size
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- no need for ARIA
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- @readonly, @required covered
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- @mulitple
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-multiple-attribute
- 18:20:49 [jamesn]
- i could see it being useful for something like this http://www.oracle.com/webfolder/technetwork/jet/jetCookbook.html?component=select&demo=multi
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- may need this
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- issue 470 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/470
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/11/10-aria-minutes.html MichaelC
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- @pattern
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-pattern-attribute
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- no need
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- @min and @max
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-min-and-max-attributes
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- correspond to @aria-valuemin and @aria-valuemax
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- jd: HTML AAM needs to address these
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- @step
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-step-attribute
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- issue-539
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- issue-539 -- aria-valuestep -- raised
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/539
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- GH-ISSUE 471 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/471
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- @list
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-list-attribute
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- jd: could map to combobox but might be bad
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- or could map to autocomplete
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- maybe it´s like aria-haspopup
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- https://rawgit.com/w3c/html-aam/master/#att-list
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- GH-ISSUE 472 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/472
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- @placeholder
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-placeholder-attribute
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- covered
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- <button>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-button-element
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- covered
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- <select>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-select-element
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- covered
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- <datalist>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-datalist-element
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- jd: popup list
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- deal with on @list action
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- note added to GH-ISSUE 472
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- <optgroup>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-optgroup-element
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- js: using group role for now
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- GH-ISSUE 473 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/473
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- <option>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-option-element
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- covered
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- <textarea>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-textarea-element
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- covered (text aria-multiline)
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- <keygen>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-keygen-element
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- being removed, so don´t bother
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- <output>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-output-element
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- js: mapping to a live region
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- no need to map
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- probably - unless something comes our way during HTML-AAM work
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- <progress>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-progress-element
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- covered
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- <meter>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-meter-element
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- we have GH-ISSUE 451 already https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/451
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- <fieldset>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-fieldset-element
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- covered by group or radiogroup
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- <legend>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/sec-forms.html#the-legend-element
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- covered
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- == moving on to grouping elements ==
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- <p>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-p-element
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- GH-ISSUE 474 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/474
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- <h4>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-hr-element
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- covered
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- s/<h4>/<hr>/
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- <pre>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-pre-element
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- GH-ISSUE 475 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/475
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- <blockquote>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-blockquote-element
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- GH-ISSUE 476 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/476
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- <ol>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-ol-element
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- <ul>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-ul-element
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- jd: we have list, but do we need to distinguish the types?
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- jn: not sure we need
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- the bullet / number gets exposed to AT
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- jd: have seen lists with no indicators
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- had to use heuristics
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- mc: can´t count on indicator in ARIA
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- jn: in which case also sighted users don´t have
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- jd: there are layout lists and list lists
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- let´s not tackle this problem for now
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- <li>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-li-element
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- covered
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- <dl>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-dl-element
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- <dt>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-dt-element
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- <dd>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-dd-element
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- https://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#term
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#term
- 18:55:58 [joanie]
- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#definition
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#definition
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- <figure>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-figure-element
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- <figcaption>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-figcaption-element
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- both covered
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- <main>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-main-element
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- covered
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- <div>
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- https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/grouping-content.html#the-div-element
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- GH-ISSUE 478 https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/478
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/11/10-aria-minutes.html MichaelC
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- zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been MichaelC, Joanmarie_Diggs, JemmaJaeunKu, Stefan, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Tzviya, Janina, Jason, Bryan, Bryan_Garaventa
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- rrsagent, bye
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- I see no action items