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13:47:18 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
13:47:18 <trackbot> Date: 09 November 2016
13:47:43 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0038
13:47:50 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0038
13:47:55 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:47:58 <Steven> Regrets: none
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14:01:27 <Steven> Present: Alain, Steven, Philip
14:02:30 <Steven> Present+Erik
14:02:39 <Steven> Topic: StackOverflow answer
14:02:39 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Oct/0077
14:02:50 <Steven> Steven: I added an answer as well.
14:02:58 <Steven> Topic: Model Item Properties
14:02:58 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0023.html
14:03:31 <Steven> Steven: OK that I delete "in document order"?
14:03:34 <Steven> Erik: I think so.
14:03:39 <Steven> Steven: will do
14:03:53 <Steven> Topic: switch case selection
14:03:53 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0026.html
14:04:29 <Steven> Steven: I'm assuming we're OK with using the same rules for initialisation and subsequent redisplay
14:04:31 <Steven> Erik: Yes.
14:04:43 <Steven> Topic: toggle
14:04:43 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0029.html
14:04:57 <Steven> Steven: I guess we're agreed here.
14:05:16 <Steven> ... I will update the spec to make it clearer
14:05:28 <Steven> Topic: The copy Element (for itemset)
14:05:28 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0022.html
14:07:28 <Steven> Steven: I think that we should send it to the selection control, since that is where the error actually is. Do we agree?
14:08:15 <Steven> Erik: I agree.
14:08:27 <Steven> Steven: Any objections?
14:08:36 <Steven> Philip: Fine.
14:08:55 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to make <copy> error event go to selection element
14:08:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2088 - Make <copy> error event go to selection element [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-11-16].
14:09:53 <Steven> Steven: Point 2. I think this is wrong
14:09:56 <Steven> Erik: I agree
14:10:39 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to delete xforms-binding-error Event for different models from <copy>
14:10:40 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2089 - Delete xforms-binding-error event for different models from <copy> [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-11-16].
14:11:05 <Steven> Topic: Extension functions
14:11:05 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0024.html
14:11:56 <Steven> Steven: Just wanted to check we were OK with the example I added
14:12:14 <Steven> Erik: Seems fine
14:12:28 <Steven> Topic: The group module
14:12:28 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0025.html
14:14:06 <Steven> Steven: I personally feel that it's not worth having group and repeat modules
14:14:30 <Steven> ... furthermore I think they should both be in "full"
14:15:34 <Steven> Erik: There is more of an argument for repeat, but I don't see any good argument for leaving it from "full"
14:16:29 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#Conformance_Levels
14:17:12 <Steven> Steven: I think they ought to be "musts" except for "except that support of the repeat-* attributes is optional."
14:17:36 <Steven> Erik: Sure
14:17:49 <Steven> Steven: OK?
14:17:55 <Steven> Philip: Yep.
14:18:01 <Steven> Alain: Yes.
14:18:44 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to update XForms Full definition
14:18:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2090 - Update xforms full definition [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-11-16].
14:18:57 <Steven> topic: switch@caseref
14:18:57 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Nov/0027.html
14:20:03 <Steven> Steven: As you point out Erik, there is no backwards compatibility issue
14:20:12 <Steven> Erik: Because we changed from @id to @name
14:20:48 <Steven> Steven: So is everyone OK with using @ref instead of @caseref
14:20:57 <Steven> Alain: no problem.
14:21:04 <Steven> Philip: I'm OK
14:21:12 <Steven> Erik: I'm OK
14:21:27 <Steven> RESOLUTION: remove @caseref and use @ref instead
14:21:36 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to remove @caseref
14:21:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2091 - Remove @caseref [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-11-16].
14:21:53 <Steven> Topic: Select element
14:21:53 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Oct/0068.html
14:23:14 <Steven> Steven: So what do you think about the idea of allowing different separators for <select> data
14:23:20 <Steven> s/data/data?/
14:23:55 <Steven> Erik: It might cause problems with temset
14:24:03 <Steven> s/temset/itemset/
14:25:31 <Steven> Erik: It's not a bad idea, though it might not cover everything, since if you have unknown values, your separator might be there
14:26:11 <Steven> Erik: you might be able to use URL encoding, but maybe that's going too far.
14:26:50 <Steven> ... maybe we don't need to solve the problem perfectly.
14:27:07 <Steven> Alain: Would it be a MIP?
14:27:15 <Steven> Steven: Interesting question
14:27:45 <Steven> Steven: I see what you mean, it is more a property of the data, rather than the control.
14:28:03 <Steven> Steven: Needs thinking about. Let's not yet make a decision.
14:29:03 <Steven> Topic: AOB
14:29:17 <Steven> Steven: There will be an XForms Day in Amsterdam in May
14:29:53 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
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