IRC log of aapi on 2016-11-08
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- Zakim, this will be
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- Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 08 November 2016
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- chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
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- clown has changed the topic to: WebEx Access Code 641 707 405 (Next meeting 15-Nov-2016, 20:00 UTC)
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- agenda: this
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- agenda+ ISSUE-676/ACTION-2126: (Joseph) Adding MSAA+IA2 action, interface, and relations to role mappings.
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- agenda+ ACTION-2121: (Joseph/Joanie) Correct the ATK/AT-SPI text for single and multiple selection removal.
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- agenda+ ISSUE-1038: (Bogdan) Mappings for feed, figure, term, and UIA in general.
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- agenda+ Triage issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
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- agenda+ Triage core-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Core%20AAM&product=ARIA
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- agenda+ Triage accname-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=AccName%20AAM&product=ARIA
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- agenda+ Triage accname actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26
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- agenda+ be done.
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- present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
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- present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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- present+ Bryan_Garaventa
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- scribe: joanie
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- Zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "ISSUE-676/ACTION-2126: (Joseph) Adding MSAA+IA2 action, interface, and relations to role mappings." taken up [from clown]
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- action-2126
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- action-2126 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Add actions, interfaces, and relations to the msaa+ia2 mappings. -- due 2016-11-01 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2126
- 20:09:25 [joanie]
- JS: This is mostly my action-2126 where I was supposed to add actions, interfaces, and relations to the msaa+ia2 mappings.
- 20:09:26 [clown]
- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/ACTION-2126/core-aam/core-aam.html
- 20:09:40 [joanie]
- JS: I am mostly done. I have done it in a branch (see above)
- 20:09:53 [joanie]
- JS: I removed the redundant items, as per Alex's request.
- 20:10:02 [joanie]
- JS: There were a lot of them.
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- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/ACTION-2126/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-img
- 20:10:09 [joanie]
- JS: Also, I put in the image interface.
- 20:10:28 [joanie]
- JS: See above URL for example.
- 20:10:52 [joanie]
- JS: There was one last thing, looking for a selection interface in IA2 for things like listbox, menu, menubar, and others.
- 20:10:56 [joanie]
- JS: I asked Alex about it.
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Nov/0021.html
- 20:11:30 [joanie]
- JS: And he said (reads from above URL)
- 20:12:09 [joanie]
- https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd318466(v=vs.85)
- 20:12:54 [joanie]
- JD: The URL in the email, the link is missing the closing parenthesis. The above link works.
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- JS: Alex mentioned get_accSelection and accSelect methods in the email
- 20:13:45 [joanie]
- JS: I was about to put that in there.
- 20:14:11 [joanie]
- JS: For grid, for example, but then I realized that everything implements IAccessible.
- 20:15:54 [joanie]
- JD: Looking at his email, it's just the two methods related to selection that I think he's suggesting.
- 20:16:28 [joanie]
- https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd318474(v=vs.85)
- 20:16:57 [joanie]
- https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd318486(v=vs.85).aspx
- 20:18:55 [joanie]
- JS: Ok, I think I have enough.
- 20:19:48 [joanie]
- JS: I will try to get this finished and merged by next week.
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- Zakim, next item
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- agendum 2. "ACTION-2121: (Joseph/Joanie) Correct the ATK/AT-SPI text for single and multiple selection removal." taken up [from clown]
- 20:20:41 [joanie]
- JS: We discussed this last week.
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- action-2121?
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- action-2121 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Correct the atk/at-spi entries in seciton 5.8.3 for single selection and multiple selection when the selection is removed. -- due 2016-10-25 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2121
- 20:21:02 [joanie]
- JS: Joanie found a few little things, like underscore versus dash in method names.
- 20:21:14 [joanie]
- JS: And removing the focus: event.
- 20:21:53 [clown]
- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/ACTION-2126/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_events_selection
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- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-feedmapping_events_selection
- 20:23:46 [joanie]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria/commit/5471b02a955edcaf394735af2c99eca1afc75ba8#diff-44a18abe53562094e678b59690bd4757L2988
- 20:31:24 [joanie]
- (Discussion about how the changes made are not quite right, and how to correct them)
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- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#focus_state_event_table
- 20:35:36 [joanie]
- JS: I'll make the changes to selection.
- 20:36:11 [joanie]
- JS: Final question, does this need a Changelog entry for the details?
- 20:36:15 [joanie]
- JD: Probably not.
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- JS: I'll get this done by next week, too.
- 20:36:27 [joanie]
- Zakim, next item
- 20:36:27 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "ISSUE-1038: (Bogdan) Mappings for feed, figure, term, and UIA in general." taken up [from clown]
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- ISSUE-1038?
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- ISSUE-1038 -- Need mappings for role="feed", "figure", "term" for all AAPIs -- open
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1038
- 20:36:55 [joanie]
- JS: A while ago, Cynthia left and Bogdan was asked to go over all the UIA entries in all the tables and adjust them.
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- action-2118
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- action-2118 -- Bogdan Brinza to Addresss UIA mappings for ARIA 1.1 -- due 2016-10-16 -- CLOSED
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2118
- 20:37:18 [joanie]
- JS: He added a note to action-2118.
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- JS: He said there are no outstanding mappings other than what is in action-2013.
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- action-2013
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- action-2013 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to UIA mapping for role=navigation (GIthub issue #242) -- due 2016-02-12 -- CLOSED
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2013
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- https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/469
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- action-2103
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- action-2103 -- Bogdan Brinza to Provide uia mappings for roles feed, figure, and term; and aria-colcount, aria-colspan, aria-colindex, aria-rowcount, aria-rowindex, aria-rowspan, and aria-details. -- due 2016-08-09 -- PENDINGREVIEW
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- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2103
- 20:38:23 [joanie]
- s/action-2013/action-2103/
- 20:38:34 [joanie]
- JS: Bogdan added a pull request to the comment.
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- JS: I've not looked further at it.
- 20:38:54 [joanie]
- (JS reads Bogdan's comment)
- 20:39:04 [joanie]
- (JS reads Rich's response)
- 20:39:31 [joanie]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/469
- 20:39:41 [joanie]
- JD: The above URL is where the comments are
- 20:40:22 [joanie]
- JS: To summarize, he is saying that he's added the outstanding roles and properties. The mapping is really clean and straightforward with the exception of aria-details.
- 20:40:52 [joanie]
- JS: aria-details is mapped using describedby
- 20:41:02 [joanie]
- JS: Rich said that was fine, but they cannot stringify it.
- 20:41:26 [joanie]
- JS: This patch has no conflicts and can be merged.
- 20:41:35 [joanie]
- JS: I will try to look at it for next week.
- 20:41:48 [joanie]
- JS: He also added a range value pattern for scrollbar.
- 20:42:00 [joanie]
- JS: And also for slider and spinner.
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- JS: Sounds reasonable to me.
- 20:42:38 [joanie]
- JS: He's made some other editorial changes.
- 20:42:53 [joanie]
- JS: I just wanted to let you know this is going on with UIA.
- 20:51:46 [joanie]
- https://rawgit.com/boggydigital/aria/ACTION-2103/core-aam/core-aam.html
- 20:52:25 [clown]
- https://rawgit.com/boggydigital/aria/ACTION-2103/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaDetails
- 20:54:40 [joanie]
- https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#aria-details
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- "In some user agents, multiple reference relationships for descriptive information are not supported by the accessibility API. In such cases, if both aria-describedby and aria-details are provided on an element, aria-details takes precedence."
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- (Group discusses whether or not there might be a problem mapping aria-details to UIA's describedby property. Conclusion: Ask if there's any issue.)
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- regrets+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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- Zakim, part
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Joseph_Scheuhammer, Joanmarie_Diggs, Bryan_Garaventa
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- RRSAgent, stop