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16:56:27 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
16:56:27 <trackbot> Date: 03 November 2016
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16:57:13 <Rich> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Nov/0008.html
17:01:06 <Rich> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
17:01:52 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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17:06:26 <janina> present+ Janina
17:11:18 <janina> scribe: janina
17:11:52 <janina> topic: Heads Up Items
17:12:07 <janina> No meeting Thursday 24 November -- U.S. Thanksgiving Day
17:12:27 <janina> Micael will chair next two calls, Rich away on vacation.
17:12:46 <MichaelC> s/Micael/Michael/
17:13:19 <janina> Please note U.S. adjusts off Daylight Time, so we're back to the usual times for our participants
17:14:13 <janina> topic: HTML5 Input Elements for ARIA 1.2
17:14:22 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-html51-20161101/sec-forms.html#the-input-element
17:14:39 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-html51-20161101/sec-forms.html#element-attrdef-input-type
17:14:43 <janina> rich: We'll need ARIA Attributes, probably
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17:15:29 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-html51-20161101/sec-forms.html#element-attrdef-input-type
17:15:29 <janina> rich: Have different element types
17:15:34 <mck> present+ matt_king
17:15:47 <janina> rich: We need to assign to folks, and do some triaje now
17:16:12 <janina> rich: Text with no line breaks -- Suggest we need nothing on this?
17:16:25 <janina> matt: Recalls multiline, others -- we're OK
17:16:53 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-html51-20161101/sec-forms.html#element-attrdef-input-type
17:16:59 <ShaneM> present+ ShaneM
17:17:02 <janina> rich: Next, search box ... We have ...
17:17:24 <janina> rich: Notes types are all in first column in the table
17:17:41 <janina> rich: We have search box -- what about the combobox?
17:18:25 <janina> matt: our search is subclass of textbox
17:18:29 <MichaelC> present+
17:18:37 <jamesn> q+
17:18:40 <janina> matt: subclassing for combo seems excessive
17:18:47 <janina> rich: don't believe we need do anything
17:18:50 <janina> matt: OK
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17:19:33 <janina> jn: Suggest description is a bit different
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17:19:57 <janina> jn: Agrees, we're OK
17:20:22 <janina> [Agreement we need nothing new for Search Combobox]
17:21:42 <janina> [side discussion re respec issues]
17:22:26 <janina> rich: Hmmm, it works in Chrome
17:22:29 <jongund> present+ jongund
17:22:39 <jamesn> q-
17:22:46 <janina> michael: Refresh in Chrome, also Firefox
17:22:51 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/REC-html51-20161101/sec-forms.html#element-attrdef-input-type
17:22:54 <janina> Shane: Will take a look
17:23:40 <janina> Shane: Notes above link isn't using respec -- uses Bikeshed
17:23:55 <janina> matt: Same issue on ARIA spec
17:24:15 <janina> rich: Next, for telephone -- a type
17:25:06 <janina> matt: If anything, would case a screen reader to read more appropriately
17:26:15 <janina> jn: Notes css would help, type=tel
17:26:26 <janina> matt: If mapped
17:26:45 <janina> jn: Apple has this, no
17:27:22 <janina> rich: We can certainly expand apis to support
17:28:47 <janina> janina: Suggests value in formatting for telephone, currency, calendar notation, etc.
17:29:07 <janina> matt: Suggest ARIA-FormatType -- ennumerated token type that maps to html
17:29:23 <janina> [agreement]
17:30:14 <janina> jn: I'll take it if we put these in github
17:31:48 <ShaneM> who remembers XHTML Basic inputmode attribute?
17:32:11 <ShaneM> https://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-basic/#s_inputmode
17:32:25 <janina> rich: Next, Password ---
17:32:37 <janina> jn: Format Type=Obscurred
17:32:47 <janina> matt: Like it!
17:32:51 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
17:32:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/11/03-aria-minutes.html MichaelC
17:34:01 <janina> joanie: Notes GTK property what char is rendered when obscurred
17:34:50 <janina> matt: So obscurring char would not be author controlled, but platform
17:35:18 <janina> matt: Could do ARIA-ObfiscationChar=[char]
17:36:10 <janina> jn: How does this help on disengenuous passwords?
17:36:17 <janina> [agreement it doesn't]
17:36:48 <ShaneM> +1 to jamesn's point
17:37:01 <janina> jn: Notes that sometimes password is shown intentionally
17:37:37 <janina> rich: Next -- date
17:37:55 <janina> rich: Is browser dependent and takes on different forms
17:38:14 <janina> matt: Isn't it also a form type field?
17:38:20 <janina> rich: could popup a calendar
17:39:13 <janina> matt: Mapping a calendar would be impossible unless we made everyone behave the same way
17:41:12 <janina> matt: Notes controls for date, week, hour, time, etc
17:41:44 <janina> jn: How this is rendered is totaly browser dependent
17:43:32 <janina> rich: Notes Lisa will be very interested in this
17:44:57 <janina> matt: Is the browser going to do anything for the author to make date accessible?
17:45:59 <janina> jn: Notes pretty good on some mobile platforms, but not on the desktop
17:46:05 <janina> matt: agree
17:46:44 <janina> rich: Notes we can create a calendar
17:46:47 <janina> matt: yes
17:47:21 <Rich> q?
17:47:26 <janina> rich: Suggest to indicate among date format types
17:47:28 <janina> jn: no
17:48:06 <janina> jn: Suggests it needs to be hint text, or placeholder
17:48:25 <janina> matt: aria-format=date attribute and leave it at that
17:48:34 <janina> [agreement]
17:48:49 <janina> jn: perhaps an associated button that launches something
17:50:01 <janina> jn: Suggests we need a way to associate a button with the text field to launch something additional -- a dialog
17:50:47 <janina> matt: suggests controls, or describedby ...
17:51:13 <janina> jn: Usually we do describedby, but not as refined as I'd like
17:51:17 <janina> matt: suggests grid
17:51:19 <janina> jn: no
17:53:16 <janina> jn: We might have number that isn't spin button -- so I'll propose with my action
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17:54:39 <janina> topic: testable statements
17:55:00 <janina> rich: we have aria-dpub with many elements
17:55:31 <janina> rich: was going to have a way to test based on id
17:55:39 <janina> shane: spec'd but don't recall whether implemented
17:55:45 <janina> shane: It's trivial, though
17:55:57 <janina> rich: In test harness? Where?
17:56:30 <janina> Michael: Suggest same place as all other ARIA tests ? ...
17:56:49 <janina> Michael: Maybe separate ...
17:56:57 <janina> shane: propose wpt a folder there
17:57:22 <janina> michael: With just one test, wiki is overkill
17:57:56 <janina> rich: Same suite of tests for ARIA for Dpub?
17:57:59 <janina> shane: no
17:59:54 <janina> jg: will send out notice for testing meeting wednesday
18:00:07 <janina> rich: Craig will get to mappings in December
18:00:29 <janina> rich: Don't know what's happening with Microsoft. No response from anyone there
18:00:51 <janina> rich: If no responses in next few weeks, may need to drop them from the table
18:01:25 <janina> rich: Notes change in doc-pullquote -- will need to map
18:01:46 <janina> rich: probably shouldn't be mapped at all, but will discuss with Craig
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18:02:19 <janina> rich: May want to go to CR even while I'm on vacation, which is OK with me
18:02:58 <janina> michael: Need CfC urgently
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18:03:11 <janina> zakim, bye
18:03:11 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Joanmarie_Diggs, Janina, matt_king, ShaneM, MichaelC, jongund
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