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16:53:16 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
16:53:16 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
16:53:17 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
16:53:17 <trackbot> Date: 27 October 2016
16:53:22 <Rich> chair: Rich
16:53:30 <Rich> RRSAgent, make log public
16:53:33 <ShaneM> Regrets ShaneM
16:55:13 <Rich> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Oct/0096.html
16:57:47 <MichielBijl> present+
16:58:14 <Rich> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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17:01:18 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
17:02:15 <MichaelC> present+
17:02:30 <tzviya> present+
17:04:18 <jamesn> scribe: jamesn
17:04:31 <Rich> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Oct/0096.html
17:04:44 <jamesn> TOPIC: News from Rich
17:04:53 <jamesn> RS: retiring from IBM at end of year
17:05:05 <clown> clown has joined #aria
17:06:19 <jamesn> RS: will be continuing in the WG - looking into affiliations etc.
17:07:57 <jamesn> RS: not leaving web efforts
17:08:10 <jamesn> RS: continuing with knowbility
17:08:28 <clown> present+ Joseph_Scheuhammer
17:08:41 <jamesn> present+ JamesNurthen
17:09:43 <jamesn> RS: not leaving the group
17:09:51 <jamesn> TOPIC: Status of Meeting with the Director on ARIA CR advancement
17:10:11 <clown> \o/
17:10:16 <jamesn> RS: https://twitter.com/w3c/status/791685843358318592
17:10:18 <jamesn> https://twitter.com/w3c/status/791685843358318592
17:10:59 <jamesn> MC: has been on the home page - and a link on twitter... note to AC. WAI IG list hasn't had note yet
17:11:40 <jamesn> RS: close to getting DPUB ARIA module soon
17:11:48 <jamesn> MC: goal by mid nov
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17:12:23 <mck> present+ matt_king
17:12:35 <Stefan> present+ Stefan
17:12:40 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/CR-wai-aria-1.1-20161027/ ARIA 1.1 Candidate Recommendation
17:13:08 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/5912?pk_campaign=feed&pk_kwd=wai-aria-1-1-is-a-candidate-recommendation W3C announcement
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17:13:29 <jamesn> TOPIC: Logistics end of the year (when will be off and when will start in 2017)
17:13:47 <bgaraventa1979> present+ Bryan_Garaventa
17:15:19 <jamesn> No meetings Thanksgiving, Dec 22 and Dec 29
17:15:44 <jamesn> RS: will be on vacation for a few weeks. MC will be chairing
17:15:56 <jamesn> TOPIC: ARIA 2.0 Triage and ARIA 1.2 requirements
17:16:03 <jamesn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/wiki/ARIA_2.0_Issue_Triage
17:16:26 <clown> "This page was last modified on 23 September 2016"
17:16:33 <jamesn> Issue-719?
17:16:33 <trackbot> Issue-719 -- Create new ARIA Features to support Drag and Drop -- raised
17:16:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/719
17:16:42 <jamesn> issue-388?
17:16:42 <trackbot> issue-388 -- Need to add clipboard operations to drag and drop model. -- raised
17:16:42 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/388
17:18:12 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/editing.html#drag-and-drop HTML 5.1 Drag & Drop
17:18:26 <jamesn> JN: HTML5 has some drag and drop stuff so this fits into the equiavlency
17:18:48 <jamesn> MC: maybe triage as 1.2 with the proviso that it might need to be pushed back
17:19:05 <clown> https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/editing.html#drag-and-drop ?
17:19:17 <jamesn> RS: some people are using it at IBM
17:19:41 <jamesn> MC: do we need an APA review of Drag and Drop in 5.1
17:20:16 <jamesn> RS: if APA wants to look at the feature and come back to us about our issues
17:20:30 <jamesn> JS: the maturity question is a reasonable one
17:22:47 <jamesn> JN: prefer to have in 1.2 with and at risk
17:23:05 <jamesn> RS: adding a note - waiting for requirements to have in 1.2 from apa
17:23:19 <jamesn> if no need to address this in 1.2 timeframe will move to 2.0
17:24:32 <jamesn> RS: when do we start looking at 1.2
17:25:14 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/52
17:25:56 <jamesn> RS: do we want to do PW in 1.2?
17:26:07 <Stefan> +q
17:26:09 <jamesn> JN: we have to if we want parity
17:27:24 <Stefan> -q
17:27:29 <jamesn> MC: I am hearing motivation to discuss in the 1.2 timeframe
17:27:40 <clown> issue-512
17:27:40 <trackbot> issue-512 -- Clean up relatedConcept references; XForms and DAISY could be outdated or otherwise not useful, others as well -- open
17:27:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/512
17:27:51 <jamesn> q?
17:27:53 <jamesn> q+
17:28:25 <clown> issue-335
17:28:25 <trackbot> issue-335 -- Consider a breadcrumbs role -- open
17:28:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/335
17:29:16 <jamesn> RS: move to aria 2.0
17:29:48 <jamesn> MK: 388 tied to 719
17:30:03 <clown> issue-501
17:30:03 <trackbot> issue-501 -- Allow menuitemcheckbox to have a group parent like menuitemradio and menutiem do when in a menu role -- open
17:30:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/501
17:30:16 <clown> issue-634
17:30:16 <trackbot> issue-634 -- Video and audio roles (simple groups, not full functionality apis) -- open
17:30:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/634
17:31:19 <clown> issue-1050
17:31:19 <trackbot> issue-1050 -- Revisit normative ref to ui events keyboardevent key values when it hits rec -- open
17:31:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1050
17:32:24 <clown> issue-55
17:32:24 <trackbot> issue-55 -- Host language should have default mappings to ARIA roles (or vice versa) -- raised
17:32:24 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/55
17:32:59 <clown> issue-409
17:32:59 <trackbot> issue-409 -- ARIA 2.0 should consider providing roles that match some or all of the HTML 5 new input types (e.g., color picker, date picker, etc.) -- raised
17:32:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/409
17:33:16 <clown> issue-539
17:33:16 <trackbot> issue-539 -- aria-valuestep -- raised
17:33:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/539
17:34:02 <clown> q+ to say there is a @step attr in HTML5
17:34:14 <Rich> q?
17:34:20 <jamesn> q-
17:34:23 <clown> ack me
17:34:23 <Zakim> clown, you wanted to say there is a @step attr in HTML5
17:34:53 <clown> issue-1049
17:34:53 <trackbot> issue-1049 -- Remove seemingly normative statement in aria-valuemin re: "allows alternate devices to react to arrow keys" -- raised
17:34:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1049
17:35:44 <jamesn> RS: looks like a manageable list
17:36:11 <jamesn> MC: 2 new issues lists to be aware of
17:36:21 <MichaelC> -> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22ARIA+1.2%22
17:36:29 <jamesn> in cleaning up GH issues - created labels for 1.1,1.2 and 2.0 and moved stuff
17:36:29 <MichaelC> -> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22ARIA+2.0%22
17:36:59 <jamesn> RS: we should move over
17:37:11 <jamesn> RS: who can take an action to move the issues to GH
17:38:00 <jamesn> MC: not something that will happen right away
17:38:10 <MichaelC> action: cooper to migrate issues from Tracker to GitHub
17:38:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2127 - Migrate issues from tracker to github [on Michael Cooper - due 2016-11-03].
17:38:18 <jamesn> clown: could be lazy and move as we discuss them
17:38:30 <jamesn> MK: seems reasonable
17:38:40 <jamesn> MC: if people want to do that then fine
17:40:30 <jamesn> MC: links to APG - can APG keep up
17:40:40 <jamesn> MK: think should keep the action to do that
17:41:43 <jamesn> MK: widgets and landmarks are our priority
17:42:22 <jamesn> JN: if we do put something like Blockquotes in it would be very lightweight sections
17:42:47 <jamesn> TOPIC: Testable Statements (Coordination), test case Authoring, and automation
17:42:56 <jamesn> waiting for UIautomation and mac mappings
17:43:19 <jamesn> shane is going to do the bridge from IA2
17:43:32 <jamesn> RS: have 1 for MSAA not for that though.
17:43:40 <jamesn> ... Joanie has linux one working
17:44:08 <jamesn> JD: mozilla has been fixing some of the 1.1 fails so there will be more passes soon
17:44:34 <jamesn> I haven't added the new realsitons to ATK yet - but will get to it soon
17:45:25 <jamesn> TOPIC: SVG2, DPUB-ARIA Accessibility Update
17:45:33 <jamesn> RS: anything to cover
17:45:44 <jamesn> Tzviya: when get mappings good to go
17:46:04 <jamesn> RS: we have dependency to KB events... we don't care what the values are - we will follow them
17:46:21 <jamesn> ... they took out space - but we have addressed that
17:46:28 <jamesn> ok
17:46:38 <jamesn> they won't get it done in our timeframe
17:46:54 <jamesn> MC: will have difficulty but not going to give up on it yet
17:47:05 <jamesn> RS: SVG2 - that TF has not met yet
17:47:32 <jamesn> essentially the SVG2 spec went to CR - the browsers are looking at what should come out as they don't want everything
17:47:51 <jamesn> the intent is to get SVG2 done... will affect minimally the mappings guide
17:48:24 <jamesn> FE has been chairing the TF... had connectivity issues accessing IRC from the job.... suggested to do it on a mobile device
17:48:30 <jamesn> have not met in a few weeks
17:49:04 <jamesn> automation of the test harness will help with SVG2
17:49:08 <Rich> q?
17:49:41 <jamesn> MK: seems instead of labels for things we could consider using milestones to organize issues
17:49:51 <jamesn> MC: was doing what was quick and easy
17:49:59 <jamesn> +1 to milestones
17:50:44 <jamesn> MC: discuss at next editors proposal
17:51:48 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
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17:52:43 <jamesn> zakim, please part
17:52:43 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been MichielBijl, MichaelC, Joanmarie_Diggs, Stefan_Schnabel, Jon_Gunderson, jongund, ShaneM, Joseph_Scheuhammer, matt_king,
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