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12:59:26 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
12:59:26 <trackbot> Date: 26 October 2016
12:59:47 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Oct/0057
12:59:56 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Oct/0057
13:02:07 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:02:07 <Steven> Regrets: None
13:05:02 <Steven> Present: Steven, Alain, Erik, Philip
13:05:17 <Steven> Topic: Call with be at 14:00 in Europe NEXT WEEK
13:05:17 <Steven> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=XForms+Call&iso=20161102T09&p1=43&ah=1
13:05:37 <Steven> Steven: Don't forget!
13:06:06 <Steven> Topic: output@value
13:06:06 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Oct/0029.html
13:06:59 <Steven> Steven: I'm assuming we want to agree with this, but I want to record it
13:07:14 <Steven> ... with both ref and value *anywhere*, the value is used, but in context of the ref.
13:07:23 <Steven> Steven: OK?
13:07:29 <Steven> [Yes]
13:07:42 <Steven> Topic: toggle on a switch with caseref
13:07:42 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Oct/0031.html
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13:08:24 <Steven> Steven: Do we agree that using toggle has an effect of setting the thing caseref points to?
13:10:02 <ebruchez> "Changes to the selected case can also be performed by the toggle action, but these are performed by performing a setvalue action if the caseref attribute is specified and indicates a node. If the node is readonly, if the caseref attribute does not indicate a node, or if the toggle action does not indicate a case in the switch, then no value change occurs and therefore no change of the selected case occurs."
13:10:20 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_switch_Element
13:12:23 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_toggle_Element
13:12:40 <Steven> "If the switch has a caseref attribute which identifies a node, and that node is not readonly, then the node is set to the value of the case identifier as if by a setvalue action."
13:12:56 <Steven> Erik: Agreed
13:13:02 <Steven> Steven: So resolved
13:13:16 <Steven> Topic: <label> vs @label
13:13:16 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Oct/0034.html
13:15:14 <Steven> Steven: My proposal in this case is that @label takes precedence; the general rul is that the newer thing takes precedence over the older thing (which may be the same as saying the attribute wins over the elemen).
13:15:22 <Steven> s/rul/rule/
13:15:48 <Steven> Erik: I'm fine with that.
13:16:15 <Steven> Philip: I'm happy
13:16:20 <Steven> Steven: Also with the general rule
13:16:27 <Steven> Philip: I'm happy with that.
13:16:35 <Steven> Steven: So resolved
13:17:08 <alain> mike problem...
13:17:24 <alain> Yes I agreed
13:17:30 <Steven> Steven" Great
13:17:34 <Steven> s/"/:
13:17:59 <Steven> Topic: The Propoerty Element
13:18:05 <Steven> s/oe/e/
13:18:17 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Oct/0035.html
13:18:47 <Steven> Steven: Can you add properties to any event?
13:18:53 <Steven> Erik: I don't see why not
13:19:35 <Steven> ... our implementation everything is custom, so it's not a problem
13:20:18 <Steven> Steven: Alain says it works in the browser, so I will fix the wording.
13:20:30 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to fix wording for property element
13:20:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2079 - Fix wording for property element [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-11-02].
13:20:52 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to change priorities to attribute over element
13:20:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2080 - Change priorities to attribute over element [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-11-02].
13:21:37 <Steven> Topic: load action
13:21:37 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Oct/0038.html
13:22:41 <Steven> "If the Single Item Binding is given in addition to one of the
13:22:41 <Steven> <code>resource</code> attribute or <code>resource</code> element, then the
13:22:41 <Steven> action has no effect."
13:22:41 <trackbot> Error finding 'has'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/xforms/users>.
13:23:30 <Steven> Steven: I'm suggesting to change this so that the resource is evaluated in the context of the ref
13:23:35 <Steven> Erik: Right. Good.
13:24:10 <Steven> Topic: load action link traversal failure
13:24:10 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Oct/0039.html
13:24:41 <Steven> Steven: I don't understand why we say it is implementation dependent
13:24:58 <Steven> Erik: Maybe because you don't have entire control.
13:26:09 <Steven>  <load ref="../document" target="_blank"/>
13:26:32 <Steven> Steven: In a case like that we say that the processor keeps running
13:26:44 <Steven> Erik: Maybe not
13:27:18 <Steven> ... there might not be a method of linking back.
13:28:00 <Steven> Steven: How about saying it is impl dependent but that we encourage implementations to use xforms-link-error if possible
13:28:09 <alain> You are right. It is not possible
13:29:46 <Steven> Steven: OK
13:30:11 <Steven> Still there?
13:31:10 <Steven> Topic: input and secret (and textarea)
13:31:10 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Oct/0041.html
13:31:20 <Steven> Steven: I think we answered this
13:31:52 <Steven> ... input controls are allowed to bind to atomic values, as if they are read-only
13:32:20 <Steven> Topic: upload@incremental
13:32:20 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Oct/0042.html
13:32:58 <Steven> Steven: I think the answeer is "who cares"; all controld have @incremental, and if it doesn't have an effect, then no problem
13:33:10 <alain> Yes
13:33:13 <Steven> Topic: The Select Element
13:33:13 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Oct/0050.html
13:33:13 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Oct/0056.html
13:34:04 <Steven> Steven: Why can't a string type also be 'open'?
13:34:10 <Steven> Erik: I think it should be.
13:34:18 <Steven> Steven: I agree. I will change the text.
13:34:33 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to allow select on a string to be allowed to be open
13:34:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2081 - Allow select on a string to be allowed to be open [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-11-02].
13:35:51 <Steven> Steven: The second link is more a discussion issue, rather than a solution for right now
13:36:06 <Steven> Erik: There are potential solutions. It arises often
13:36:46 <Steven> Steven: I just wanted to record that it's an issue
13:37:13 <Steven> Topic: item@value
13:37:13 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Oct/0022.html
13:39:03 <Steven> Steven: I had an action item to find where we discussed this or something similar. I couldn;t find it. So do we want to support this, or leave it as is?
13:39:09 <Steven> s/;/'
13:40:14 <Steven> Erik: It makes sense
13:40:22 <Steven> ... I don't have a problem.
13:40:26 <alain> No problem
13:40:34 <Steven> Steven: OK.
13:40:53 <Steven> Topic: item values
13:40:53 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Oct/0024.html
13:41:11 <Steven> Steven: Already resoved
13:41:15 <Steven> s/v/lv/
13:41:38 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2076: Propose text for what value is used when the
13:41:38 <Steven> evaluation of function/result@value fails
13:41:38 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Oct/0012.html
13:41:59 <Steven> Erik: Not done yet.
13:42:10 <Steven> Topic: AOB
13:43:21 <Steven> Steven: I'm going to the ODF plugfest in Paris to talk about XForms
13:43:36 <alain> Bye
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13:45:38 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to allow @ref and @value to work together
13:45:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2082 - Allow @ref and @value to work together [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-11-02].
13:46:18 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to specify precedence of @label over <label>
13:46:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2083 - Specify precedence of @label over <label> [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-11-02].
13:46:52 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to allow load@resource to work in combination with @ref
13:46:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2084 - Allow load@resource to work in combination with @ref [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-11-02].
13:47:48 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to specify that input controls bound to an atomic value are read-only
13:47:48 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2085 - Specify that input controls bound to an atomic value are read-only [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-11-02].
13:48:41 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to allow PCdata as content of item/value
13:48:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2086 - Allow pcdata as content of item/value [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-11-02].
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13:51:42 <Steven> s/controld/controls/
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