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13:00:08 <tzviya> Meeting: DPUB-ARIA Weekly Meeting
13:00:13 <tzviya> present+
13:00:22 <tzviya> Chair: Tzviya
13:00:56 <tzviya> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpub-aria/2016Oct/0013.html
13:01:03 <tzviya> regrets+ Ivan, Rich
13:02:00 <janina> present+ Janina
13:02:59 <tzviya> Topic: Outstanding issues with DPUB-ARIA and DPUB-AAM
13:03:33 <tzviya> Tzviya: One issue opened recently on tracker: https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/450
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13:04:22 <tzviya> ...James Teh suggested breaking doc-noteref into endnoteref and footnoteref
13:05:35 <tzviya> present+ MattGarrish
13:07:18 <tzviya> MattG: I don't think that we need to distingish because publishers use different symbols to refer to the endnotes and footnotes
13:07:42 <tzviya> ...We may need to indicate to AT that the symbols (asterisks, etc) should be announced)
13:07:55 <tzviya> Janina: Usually the symbol is not announced
13:09:12 <tzviya> Tzviya: We agree that as long AT announces the symbols, there is no need to add role
13:10:39 <tzviya> ...the use case is that a user is looking at the list of notes and needs to distinguish among the list of references to endnotes and references to footnotes
13:12:54 <tzviya> Tzviya: Sighted users can distinguish only by differentiating the symbols
13:13:05 <tzviya> Michael: We do not need to make people more equal
13:13:15 <tzviya> Tzviya: consensus is that we will keep as is
13:13:27 <tzviya> Topic: Exit Criteria
13:17:11 <tzviya> Tzviya: Ivan proposed that for the Vocab, 2 publisher/authors are using each term in a production workflow
13:18:35 <tzviya> ...OR epub:type (the predecessor to this vocabulary) might be sufficient
13:18:57 <tzviya> ...I will confirm with Ivan and Ralph
13:19:17 <tzviya> ...Shane offered to do formal documenting for the testing
13:19:23 <tzviya> Michael: What about DPUB-AAM?
13:19:42 <tzviya> Tzviya: MS needs to finish up a few roles
13:20:14 <tzviya> Michael: We are not dependant on DPUB-AAM for DPUB-ARIA
13:20:27 <tzviya> ...because of different exit criteria
13:21:12 <tzviya> Tzviya: My understanding is that we are relying on Core testing for DPUB-AAM testing
13:21:32 <tzviya> ...What do you need from DPUB people for AAM testing?
13:23:22 <tzviya> Michael: We don't necessarily need 2 full implementations, just sufficient implementations. Must determine what that means
13:24:16 <tzviya> Tzviya: Let's follow up with Rich to find out what the plan for testing DPUB-AAM is
13:28:13 <tzviya> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/dpub.html
13:29:13 <tzviya> Topic: role="pullquote"
13:29:44 <tzviya> Matt: still an issue in the document about whether subclassing "none" is OK
13:30:48 <tzviya> ...Wasn't this a question of whether or not the user wants to hear the pullquote even if the content is duplication?
13:31:49 <tzviya> ...Perhaps a user wants to jump between the pullquotes. Using role="none" doesn't remove the content
13:32:24 <tzviya> Michael: to supress the content, would have to do aria role="hidden" in addition role ="none"
13:33:58 <tzviya> Matt: We should add hidden="true" to the example or make hidden="true" as implicit
13:34:09 <tzviya> Tzviya: Will that change any mappings?
13:34:42 <tzviya> Michael: Yes, and we will have to work with implementers to make sure they are on board
13:36:09 <tzviya> Tzviya: We should email the AAM authors explicitly to ask them to make the change
13:37:27 <tzviya> Michael: We need to document the CR Requirements
13:37:34 <tzviya> ..and we need a wide review
13:38:06 <tzviya> Tzviya: I can send this to the IDPF list
13:38:46 <tzviya> s/CR Requirements/Exit Requirements
13:40:26 <tzviya> Tzviya: We are working on Review ready version of DPUB-ARIA for CR no later than 10 NOv
13:40:37 <tzviya> ...ideally by 8 Nov
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13:42:43 <tzviya> zakim, bye
13:42:43 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been tzviya, Janina, MattGarrish
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