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15:46:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:46:23 <trackbot> Date: 19 October 2016
15:46:43 <janina> agenda?
15:48:33 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:48:33 <janina> agenda+ TPAC Minutes Update
15:48:33 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:48:33 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:48:34 <janina> agenda+ APA's Accessibility Checklist [See Below]
15:48:35 <janina> agenda+ MAUR Redux--Errata, Checklist, TTML Sync, Etc. [See Below]
15:48:38 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:48:40 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings
15:48:43 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:50:37 <janina>  zakim, next item
15:50:37 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
15:50:49 <janina> present+ Janina
15:50:52 <janina> Chair: Janina
15:51:14 <janina> regrets: Leonie, Gottfried, John, Katie
15:55:47 <MichaelC> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Oct/0020.html
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16:00:25 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
16:00:53 <MichaelC> present+
16:01:20 <Ted_Drake> present+ Ted_Drake
16:03:28 <Ted_Drake> scribe: Ted_Drake
16:05:34 <Ted_Drake> janina: outline for today's meeting
16:06:04 <janina> zakim, next item
16:06:04 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TPAC Minutes Update" taken up [from janina]
16:06:28 <Ted_Drake> zakim: all minutes are complete for TPAC
16:07:28 <Ted_Drake> janina: we forgot to scribe the meeting with web authentication.
16:07:43 <Ted_Drake> Zakim: It was their meeting room and they did not assign a scribe.
16:07:57 <janina> zakim, next item
16:07:57 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
16:08:10 <Ted_Drake> janina: Janina will check to see if there was a scribe
16:09:43 <Ted_Drake> trackbot, comment action-2081?
16:09:43 <trackbot> Sorry, Ted_Drake, I don't understand 'trackbot, comment action-2081?'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
16:09:51 <joanie> action-2081
16:09:51 <trackbot> action-2081 -- Michael Cooper to See if web app manifest comments are dealt with https://www.w3.org/wai/apa/wiki/web_app_manifest -- due 2016-08-17 -- OPEN
16:09:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2081
16:10:24 <Ted_Drake> zakim: action is still open.
16:10:34 <Ted_Drake> action-2074?
16:10:34 <trackbot> action-2074 -- Cynthia Shelly to Draft up something about an a11y questionnaire before tpac -- due 2016-09-16 -- OPEN
16:10:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2074
16:11:06 <MichaelC> s/zakim/MichaelC/
16:11:31 <joanie> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:11:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/10/19-apa-minutes.html joanie
16:12:15 <Ted_Drake> joanie: corrected Ted on using Zakim instead of MichaelC.
16:12:28 <Ted_Drake> History lesson on Boston bridge
16:12:30 <joanie> s/zakim:/MichaelC:/g
16:12:36 <joanie> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:12:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/10/19-apa-minutes.html joanie
16:12:51 <Ted_Drake> close action-2074
16:12:51 <trackbot> Closed action-2074.
16:12:52 <MichaelC> close action-2074
16:12:52 <trackbot> Closed action-2074.
16:13:00 <Ted_Drake> action-2077
16:13:00 <trackbot> action-2077 -- Janina Sajka to Review poe https://www.w3.org/tr/poe-ucr/ use cases and requirements -- due 2016-08-24 -- CLOSED
16:13:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2077
16:13:11 <joanie> s/Zakim:/MichaelC:/g
16:13:17 <Ted_Drake> action-2070
16:13:17 <trackbot> action-2070 -- Lisa Seeman to Pick up the thread with https://www.w3.org/tr/css-counter-styles-3/ css counter styles level 3 on needing reply to their response to us -- due 2016-07-20 -- OPEN
16:13:17 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2070
16:14:35 <MichaelC> action-2070: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/CSS_Counter_Styles_Level_3
16:14:35 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2070 Pick up the thread with https://www.w3.org/tr/css-counter-styles-3/ css counter styles level 3 on needing reply to their response to us.
16:14:37 <Ted_Drake> michaelC: the action doesn't have a pointer. Looking up the case. Comments were sent in 2013, an ambiguous response was sent Nov. 1, 2014.
16:14:59 <Ted_Drake> michaelC: Michael put in a pointer for response
16:15:04 <Ted_Drake> action-2069
16:15:04 <trackbot> action-2069 -- Michael Cooper to Follow up on http://www.w3.org/tr/media-source/ media source extensions -- due 2016-08-04 -- OPEN
16:15:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2069
16:15:49 <Ted_Drake> michaelC: action is to determine if response is sufficient. This is where we wanted them to provide extended descriptions. We didn't want to write them for them.
16:15:57 <Ted_Drake> action-2063
16:15:57 <trackbot> action-2063 -- Janina Sajka to Review internationalization best practices for spec developers https://www.w3.org/tr/international-specs/ -- due 2016-09-03 -- OPEN
16:15:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2063
16:16:31 <Ted_Drake> comment action2069 Paul Cotton would probably want a comment in GitHub for follow up.
16:17:16 <Ted_Drake> action-2063
16:17:16 <trackbot> action-2063 -- Janina Sajka to Review internationalization best practices for spec developers https://www.w3.org/tr/international-specs/ -- due 2016-09-03 -- OPEN
16:17:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2063
16:17:27 <Ted_Drake> close action-2063
16:17:27 <trackbot> Closed action-2063.
16:17:36 <Ted_Drake> action-2052
16:17:36 <trackbot> action-2052 -- Cynthia Shelly to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/shadow-dom/ shadow dom -- due 2016-09-28 -- OPEN
16:17:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2052
16:17:51 <Ted_Drake> need to reassign this task. Perhaps Shane or Rich.
16:18:31 <Ted_Drake> action-2048
16:18:31 <trackbot> action-2048 -- John Foliot to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml2/ timed text markup language 2 (ttml2) -- due 2016-10-06 -- OPEN
16:18:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2048
16:18:46 <Ted_Drake> janina: Leave this open for John
16:18:57 <janina> zakim, next item
16:18:57 <Zakim> agendum 4. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:19:14 <Ted_Drake> michaelC: 15 new publications
16:19:27 <Ted_Drake> ambient light sensor, it has been looked at and no new comments
16:19:48 <Ted_Drake> audio output devices API. Janina will take this on and we will need a new action
16:19:56 <Ted_Drake> Action-2050
16:19:56 <trackbot> Action-2050 -- Janina Sajka to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/audio-output/ audio output devices api -- due 2016-12-15 -- OPEN
16:19:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2050
16:19:59 <MichaelC> action-2050: Wide review comments due 11 Nov
16:19:59 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2050 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/audio-output/ audio output devices api.
16:20:25 <Ted_Drake> early draft, let's review in 6 months
16:20:35 <MichaelC> action-2050 due 2 weeks
16:20:35 <trackbot> Set action-2050 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/audio-output/ audio output devices api due date to 2016-11-02.
16:20:53 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/elreq/ Ethiopic Layout Requirements
16:21:15 <Rich> Rich has joined #apa
16:21:24 <Ted_Drake> Ethiopic layout requirements. how to write in Coptic language
16:21:36 <Ted_Drake> michaelC: no need to review
16:22:07 <Ted_Drake> Generic sensor API: no need to review. There is an open review request.
16:22:21 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/mse-byte-stream-format-isobmff/ ISO BMFF Byte Stream Format
16:22:50 <Ted_Drake> ISO BMFF Byte Stream Format: there are similar streams and we do not need to check this
16:23:19 <Ted_Drake> Media Source Extensions: not checked category. It has gone to proposed
16:23:30 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/mse-byte-stream-format-registry/ Media Source Extensions Byte Stream Format Registry
16:23:37 <Ted_Drake> Media Source Extensions Byte Stream format Registry: no need to check
16:24:06 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/micropub/ Micropub
16:24:11 <Ted_Drake> micropub -  some churn on this spec.
16:25:08 <Ted_Drake> MichaelC: we sent a comment in July, a reply saying it had been tracked. It has gone to candidate recommendation. They marked it as waiting for response, but they did not reach out for the response. Michael had subscribed to the issue, but didn't see the request.
16:25:16 <Ted_Drake> janina: process failure
16:25:44 <Rich> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:26:42 <Ted_Drake> MichaelC: horizontal processes. each group has their own way to manage comments and our horizontal team needs to understand the individual methods and expectations.
16:27:08 <Ted_Drake> MichaelC: subscribing to action was not sufficient.
16:27:27 <Ted_Drake> Janina: we need to follow up on the issue
16:28:05 <Ted_Drake> michaelC: there is a comment regarding alternate text in the Microformats2 specification.
16:28:29 <MichaelC> action: drake to check how micropub comments have been disposed
16:28:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2096 - Check how micropub comments have been disposed [on Ted Drake - due 2016-10-26].
16:28:33 <MichaelC> action-2096?
16:28:33 <trackbot> action-2096 -- Ted Drake to Check how micropub comments have been disposed -- due 2016-10-26 -- OPEN
16:28:33 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2096
16:28:40 <Ted_Drake> This will be assigned to Ted_drake for follow up. Ted was an early adopter of microformats
16:28:49 <MichaelC> action-2096: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Micropub
16:28:49 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2096 Check how micropub comments have been disposed.
16:28:51 <Ted_Drake> action-2096
16:28:51 <trackbot> action-2096 -- Ted Drake to Check how micropub comments have been disposed -- due 2016-10-26 -- OPEN
16:28:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2096
16:28:58 <MichaelC> action-2096: https://github.com/w3c/Micropub/issues/34
16:28:58 <trackbot> Notes added to action-2096 Check how micropub comments have been disposed.
16:29:41 <Ted_Drake> ted_drake: do we have a deadline on this?
16:30:33 <Ted_Drake> michaelC: advancing no earlier than 15-November, they need a response by that date.
16:30:47 <Ted_Drake> due date of one week
16:30:56 <Ted_Drake> MPEG Audio Byte Stream Format: Skip this
16:30:56 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/mse-byte-stream-format-mpeg-audio/ MPEG Audio Byte Stream Format
16:31:22 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/mse-byte-stream-format-mp2t/ MPEG-2 TS Byte Stream Format
16:31:36 <Ted_Drake> MPEG 2 TS Byte Stream Format: a level we don't look at.
16:31:49 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/service-workers-1/ Service Workers 1
16:31:54 <Ted_Drake> Service Workers 1
16:32:23 <Ted_Drake> Michael: I thought I remembered looking at this before, it's possible it has been reviewed but not placed in Wiki in earlier 2016
16:32:45 <Ted_Drake> janina: could this be assigned to Leonie?
16:33:02 <Ted_Drake> michaelC: leave this as not checked.
16:33:34 <Ted_Drake> TTL2: wiki says John gave feedback in July. This needs us to circle back
16:34:10 <Ted_Drake> janina: Nigel at BBC has done research on this and has created a response. We need to look at this.
16:34:43 <ShaneM> present+ ShaneM
16:34:50 <Ted_Drake> michaelC: John's comment was "wanted to talk to Glen Adams about profiles"
16:35:21 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/webpayments-overview/ Web Payments Overview 1.0
16:35:25 <Ted_Drake> Web Payments Overview 1.0. This is a note already.
16:35:52 <Ted_Drake> ShaneM: there's no interest for us in this document. It's a high level overview.
16:36:30 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/mse-byte-stream-format-webm/ WebM Byte Stream Format
16:36:33 <Ted_Drake> michaelC: W3C process allows a note to be published without a review opportunity. This shouldn't be allowed.
16:36:37 <Ted_Drake> ShaneM: Why?
16:37:09 <Ted_Drake> MichaelC: There should always be due dilligence.
16:37:27 <Ted_Drake> michaelC: A note can be republished as a note if we found an issue.
16:38:00 <Ted_Drake> ShaneM: In this case, the note is intended to be republished often. Shane is an editor
16:38:40 <Ted_Drake> michaelC: WCAG has republished, but leaves them as working drafts
16:38:52 <Ted_Drake> WebM Byte Stream -  no need for review
16:39:04 <Ted_Drake> WEB RTC: Janina will take this and do a review.
16:39:29 <Ted_Drake> janina: want to make sure when they pass on the UA it is important to know who doesn't have audio or video enabled.
16:39:44 <MichaelC> action: janina to re-review https://www.w3.org/TR/webrtc/ WebRTC 1.0: Real-time Communication Between Browsers
16:39:45 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2097 - Re-review https://www.w3.org/tr/webrtc/ webrtc 1.0: real-time communication between browsers [on Janina Sajka - due 2016-10-26].
16:39:53 <MichaelC> action-2097?
16:39:53 <trackbot> action-2097 -- Janina Sajka to Re-review https://www.w3.org/tr/webrtc/ webrtc 1.0: real-time communication between browsers -- due 2016-10-26 -- OPEN
16:39:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2097
16:39:54 <Ted_Drake> MichaelC: create action for Janina to review
16:40:38 <Ted_Drake> MichaelC: There's a due date on this action
16:40:55 <Ted_Drake> michaelC: they don't have a comment date in the status
16:41:15 <Ted_Drake> michaelC: we are caught up on TR
16:41:19 <Ted_Drake> action-2068
16:41:19 <trackbot> action-2068 -- Janina Sajka to Follow up on eme comments from before https://www.w3.org/tr/encrypted-media/ encrypted media extensions -- due 2016-07-13 -- CLOSED
16:41:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2068
16:42:22 <Ted_Drake> action-2086
16:42:22 <trackbot> action-2086 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/input-events/ input events -- due 2016-09-28 -- OPEN
16:42:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2086
16:42:34 <Ted_Drake> michaelC: to review input events.
16:42:56 <Ted_Drake> janina: are we under any gun for this
16:43:12 <Ted_Drake> michaelC: they expect another draft by end of october
16:43:24 <janina> zakim, next item
16:43:24 <Zakim> agendum 5. "APA's Accessibility Checklist" taken up [from See Below]
16:43:49 <MichaelC> -> http://w3c.github.io/pfwg/wtag/checklist.html Draft a11y self-review checklist
16:43:53 <Ted_Drake> janina: first draft of self review checklist
16:44:43 <Ted_Drake> janina: W3C has asked us to create a checklist for other groups working on specs to understand where there are potential concerns and they should reach out to APA for potential accessibility issues.
16:45:07 <Ted_Drake> janina: this is a first draft. We'd like to have a final draft by dec-31
16:45:34 <Ted_Drake> janina: please review the draft and prepare to discuss in this and future meetings. Michael, do you want to review?
16:45:58 <Ted_Drake> MichaelC: we should review other checklists.
16:46:33 <Ted_Drake> Text options are listed when technology creates content objects that don't have inherit text backups.
16:47:14 <Ted_Drake> A new team would look at this check list and realize they need to plan for accessibility before coming to the APA for advice.
16:47:38 <Ted_Drake> MichaelC: gives examples of text, color, semantics that are in the draft.
16:48:04 <Ted_Drake> There's a link at the top of the document to WAI Guidelines
16:48:24 <Ted_Drake> The checklist would draw off the details of the larger guideline document.
16:48:39 <Ted_Drake> janina: if your specification has no UI, skip to ...
16:48:59 <Ted_Drake> MichaelC: Skip to next heading until you come across one that applies
16:50:05 <Ted_Drake> MichaelC: This is something I've wanted to work on for years. The question is this something I should work on until it is mature or should we bring it up for discussion early for churn
16:50:13 <Ted_Drake> janina: churn would be good
16:50:24 <Rich> +1
16:50:31 <Ted_Drake> joanie: Michael has a lot on his plate, it would be good to give him some relief
16:51:31 <Ted_Drake> janina: we work as a group to distill our decision path into the specifications. This high level discussion delivers the logic (if/then)
16:52:08 <Ted_Drake> janina: read the document and share questions and concerns right away.
16:52:34 <Ted_Drake> janina: is it easy to find other checklists to see how they were written?
16:52:49 <Ted_Drake> michaelC: I will find the list of resources and share them.
16:53:32 <MichaelC> Security and privacy:
16:53:32 <MichaelC>  https://www.w3.org/TR/security-privacy-questionnaire/
16:53:32 <MichaelC>  http://gregnorc.github.io/ping-privacy-questions/
16:53:32 <MichaelC> TAG:
16:53:32 <MichaelC>  https://w3ctag.github.io/design-principles/
16:53:33 <Ted_Drake> michaelC: pasting lines from abstract
16:53:33 <MichaelC>  * Repository for reviews:
16:53:35 <MichaelC>    https://github.com/w3ctag/spec-reviews
16:53:37 <MichaelC> I18n:
16:53:39 <MichaelC>   https://www.w3.org/International/review-request
16:54:09 <janina> zakim, next item
16:54:09 <Zakim> agendum 6. "MAUR Redux--Errata, Checklist, TTML Sync, Etc." taken up [from See Below]
16:56:17 <Ted_Drake> janina: we need to start collecting errata, additions, examples for specification development
16:56:45 <Ted_Drake> we need a flowchart for specifications. Who is collecting the information that will provide the full picture for the specification.
16:57:18 <Ted_Drake> janina: who's spec is responsible for each piece
16:57:30 <Ted_Drake> janina: have a meeting with Ralph Swig?
16:58:33 <Ted_Drake> ted_drake: where would we store these elements?
16:58:43 <Ted_Drake> janina: github for each individual recomendations.
16:58:58 <Ted_Drake> michaelC: there needs to be a link to the errata.
16:59:18 <Ted_Drake> ??: there's been a movement from static document to more wiki-like documentation
17:00:12 <Ted_Drake> dynamic documentation
17:00:14 <ShaneM> https://www.w3.org/2013/csvw/errata/
17:02:16 <janina> zakim, bye
17:02:17 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, MichaelC, Ted_Drake, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, ShaneM
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17:02:29 <janina> rrsagent, make minutes
17:02:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/10/19-apa-minutes.html janina
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