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15:51:04 <trackbot> Meeting: Cognitive Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:51:04 <trackbot> Date: 13 October 2016
15:51:54 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, this will be  WAI_CogTF
15:51:54 <Zakim> ok, Lisa_Seeman
15:54:17 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
15:54:18 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ the google doc, on difficulties in our process  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bxhXLpsqIy5p6zZHxlsSvjmhUjFqSFGCgE4eelRJxH8/edit#heading=h.yp16qowqoxpn
15:54:20 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  review SC, and timelines and status table. Reassigning any SC without a committed date  Links: new google docs https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DHoA9fQRsNtfrhxpf-HGVzbNpe6KUxv-cgxY6NM4mGI/edit?usp=sharing sc todo list: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/SC_todo_list,  sc stasus: https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html,   rewording https://rawgit.com/w3c/c
15:54:21 <Lisa_Seeman> oga/master/extension/rewroded%20sc%203.html
15:54:23 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ review sc wording to get to pending
15:54:24 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ be done
16:07:54 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
16:07:54 <Zakim> agendum 1. "the google doc, on difficulties in our process  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bxhXLpsqIy5p6zZHxlsSvjmhUjFqSFGCgE4eelRJxH8/edit#heading=h.yp16qowqoxpn" taken up
16:07:57 <Zakim> ... [from Lisa_Seeman]
16:08:23 <Lisa_Seeman> regrets: debbie dahl, ayelet seeman, Rich
16:50:34 <Lisa_Seeman> ok
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16:53:07 <JohnRochford> WebEx is reporting I can't join call because meeting not started yet.
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16:57:30 <Thaddeus> + Thaddeus present
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16:59:50 <JohnRochford> WebEx is still reporting I can't join call because meeting not started yet.
17:01:11 <Thaddeus> I wasnt able to join the call either
17:01:47 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: kirkwood
17:02:04 <Thaddeus> We are having a fire drill in the building i am in so I have to leave my computer
17:02:05 <Lisa_Seeman> John R - are you using the right link
17:02:33 <Thaddeus> I will look at the tracking table and make submissions Saturday and Sunday
17:02:47 <Thaddeus> Lisa I will email you if I need clarifications.
17:03:05 <kirkwood> MP: have barely started
17:03:07 <JohnRochford> I am not using any link. I am just calling the phone number.
17:03:07 <Lisa_Seeman> try  https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=me88d221cf93b9c07c798d8f91649370f
17:03:36 <Lisa_Seeman> john R i sent you in chat the right webex link
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17:04:05 <kirkwood> +kirkwood
17:04:14 <janina> Running late ...
17:04:22 <Lisa_Seeman> present + me
17:04:42 <Lisa_Seeman> Thanks Thadd
17:05:17 <JohnRochford> I entered the login info, the got a "Thank you for using WebEx" message.
17:05:49 <JohnRochford> I may have to participate by IRC only
17:06:15 <Lisa_Seeman> "the google doc, on difficulties in our process  https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bxhXLpsqIy5p6zZHxlsSvjmhUjFqSFGCgE4eelRJxH8/edit#heading=h.yp16qowqoxpn" taken up
17:06:18 <JohnRochford> Wait. I just noticed I am connected.
17:08:16 <Lisa_Seeman> pleasse add your comments to the doc
17:08:32 <JohnRochford> present+ JohnRochford
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17:08:57 <Lisa_Seeman> it is a realy good time becuse the w3c is review thier process
17:09:20 <kirkwood> I’m back on
17:09:48 <kirkwood> LS: it is really worth commenting now
17:10:07 <kirkwood> LS: in order to make WCAG aware of what we are doing
17:10:27 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
17:10:27 <Zakim> agendum 2. "review SC, and timelines and status table. Reassigning any SC without a committed date  Links: new google docs
17:10:30 <Zakim> ... https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DHoA9fQRsNtfrhxpf-HGVzbNpe6KUxv-cgxY6NM4mGI/edit?usp=sharing sc todo list: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/SC_todo_list,
17:10:30 <Zakim> ... sc stasus: https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html,   rewording https://rawgit.com/w3c/c" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:11:05 <kirkwood> Mike: clear control is highly related to low vision, make sure benefits for cognitve disabilites over low vision. Its a low vision success criteria is beneficial to those with cog diasbilites
17:11:56 <kirkwood> Lisa: the contrast has to be clearer, but whiteface boundry is a different type of issue
17:12:38 <kirkwood> Lisa: so clear control for low vision. For us let it be know that these are the boundries and something will happen
17:12:57 <kirkwood> Mike: it will be benefial for boundries for both
17:13:29 <kirkwood> John R: as you know I’m on low vision task force and if you want to identify somehting I can put it to them
17:13:38 <kirkwood> LS: lets get them all in
17:13:49 <Lisa_Seeman> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DHoA9fQRsNtfrhxpf-HGVzbNpe6KUxv-cgxY6NM4mGI/edit#
17:14:13 <kirkwood> Lisa: take a look at this document so it’s easier for us all to comment on
17:14:41 <kirkwood> Lisa: so many comments will lose track, so better in google doc
17:15:30 <kirkwood> Lisa: when ready I’ll put it on here. I put changes in second version
17:16:31 <kirkwood> Lisa: if people want to vote on them they are in the doc. I will make changes. If you can put your name.
17:16:58 <kirkwood> Lisa: are you happy with that process?
17:17:03 <kirkwood> +!
17:17:09 <kirkwood> +1
17:17:26 <kirkwood> Mike: i’m ok with that
17:18:33 <kirkwood> Lisa: I tried doing it in a table once we get 5 +1’s we can do it
17:18:51 <kirkwood> kurt: +1
17:19:05 <kirkwood> Mike: +1
17:19:19 <kirkwood> Lisa: I asked people to review it
17:19:26 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/status.html
17:20:53 <kirkwood> Lisa: suzanne and thaddeus said end of this week
17:22:11 <kirkwood> Mike: have long list of SC google docs have a lot to it not sure how they relate
17:24:06 <kirkwood> LS: problem with git hub can’t comment on it. so thought that using google doc what we have hear if it comes to me in word and I add sections etc. When people are ready to review and make comments so I thought it would be simpler. People could vote or comment or more appropriately make pratical suggestions
17:25:08 <kirkwood> Mike: i  see the purpose of the doc and it more or less lines up now
17:25:41 <kirkwood> LS: so that way we can get everyhing through
17:26:36 <kirkwood> LS: John rochford and John Kirkwood action items if there are new success criteria
17:26:43 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:27:22 <kirkwood> sorry having audio problems i will need to call in
17:28:47 <janina> present+ Janina
17:29:01 <kirkwood> Rochford: I had sent link to toable of user needs and he’s using it to create use cases.
17:29:37 <Lisa_Seeman> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DHoA9fQRsNtfrhxpf-HGVzbNpe6KUxv-cgxY6NM4mGI/edit#
17:30:06 <kirkwood> LS: we made a google doc to track comments on things because everyone seemed to like that idea. so we can see comments in particular
17:30:36 <kirkwood> LS: there are some good comments and it would be ashame not to collect themn
17:31:05 <kirkwood> Janina: i dont have a problem with google docs
17:31:24 <kirkwood> Janina: I willl be done in November
17:31:39 <kirkwood> LS: the sooner can tell the better
17:31:52 <kirkwood> Janina: i will tell you within a week if not able to do it
17:31:54 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, next item
17:31:54 <Zakim> agendum 3. "review sc wording to get to pending" taken up [from Lisa_Seeman]
17:32:36 <kirkwood> LS: we can do that on the list
17:32:53 <kirkwood> Rochford: spelling mistakes grammer
17:33:06 <kirkwood> LS: can i put you down for that?
17:33:18 <kirkwood> Rochford: put me down for the two that i noted
17:33:47 <kirkwood> LS: is there any other business?
17:34:07 <kirkwood> LS: there is one other thing, Janina maybe you can tell us?
17:34:24 <kirkwood> LS: Janina would you want a face to face?
17:35:11 <kirkwood> LS: before getting bogged down with all SC again, is there a need to have a face to face at CSUN?
17:36:27 <kirkwood> Janina: prblem is meetings during are so hard to pull off due to all the obligations, the facilities are very expensive and it can be difficult finding sponsorship. More efforts to hold meetings at scusn than sucesses. I would do it before or after nearby which might be cheaper
17:36:35 <kirkwood> LS: are ther meeting roooms available
17:36:50 <kirkwood> Janina: are there meeting rooms available
17:37:52 <JohnRochford> q+
17:37:54 <kirkwood> Janina: likely cheeper to fly somewhere else, $300 per night for nearby hotel which ends up complicating the whole thing. It becemose a a logistical nightmare
17:38:12 <kirkwood> Rochford: what if we met in a restaurant?
17:38:59 <kirkwood> Janina: and sat for the whole day? Need to find a place with connectivity and phone. The easiest might be to do it near the old CSUN locaiton
17:39:11 <kirkwood> JR: how much for a room per day
17:39:40 <kirkwood> Janina: it was $800 for coffee for W3c ;)
17:40:18 <kirkwood> Janina: this has been a problem since CSUN moved
17:40:56 <Lisa_Seeman> the coffee was not that good
17:40:59 <kirkwood> Janina: need resonably deep pocket sponsor in order for us to meet
17:41:23 <Lisa_Seeman> ack j
17:41:48 <kirkwood> Rochford: if someone can find something for $200 I may be willing to pay for it
17:42:14 <kirkwood> Lisa; a youth hostel down the road is walkable from CSUN
17:42:38 <kirkwood> Janina: maybe want to move away from Grand Hyatt to make more affordable
17:42:56 <kirkwood> Janina: all is researchable
17:43:43 <JohnRochford> I would consider paying a cost greater than $200, if someone identifies an opportunity.
17:43:49 <kirkwood> Janina: suggestiion get a sense of who might come and decide on the days. Saving people flying in so can buy tickets appropriately
17:44:11 <kirkwood> Janina: judy may have some suggestions and possibly coordinte with Michael
17:44:43 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/extension/chunks.html
17:44:52 <kirkwood> LS: try to get things through approval process
17:50:27 <kirkwood> https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=topic%20sentence%20definition
17:51:01 <kirkwood> topic sentence: a sentence that expresses the main idea of the paragraph in which it occurs.
17:52:29 <kirkwood> Ls: you should also use shore sentences
17:52:50 <kirkwood> Rochford: we would want to quantify short sentences for testing purposes
17:53:53 <kirkwood> rochford: danger is we do write rules for english
17:54:29 <kirkwood> LS: in germany it really doesn’t work because they use short sentences
17:55:07 <kirkwood> MP: just checking what we wrote and not sure if we resolved this one . I will check that
17:55:26 <kirkwood> MP: one idea of a sentence
17:55:34 <kirkwood> LS: one idea
17:55:56 <kirkwood> MP: 10 would probaly be better for english
17:56:16 <kirkwood> MP: worth thinking about
17:56:28 <kirkwood> LS: I am comfortable with changin that
17:57:06 <kirkwood> LS: John’s firs paragraph is an example of a chunk
17:58:21 <Lisa_Seeman> pass on one idea per sentence
17:58:32 <Lisa_Seeman> agreed
17:58:32 <kirkwood> MP: we were just trying to write guidelines not SC
18:01:05 <Kurt> Need to drop for a client meeting
18:06:33 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, make logs public
18:06:58 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, create minutes
18:06:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/10/13-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
18:07:35 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, please part
18:07:35 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been kirkwood, JohnRochford, !, Janina
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18:07:42 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, please part
18:07:42 <RRSAgent> I see no action items