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17:00:50 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
17:00:50 <trackbot> Date: 13 October 2016
17:00:51 <Rich> chair: Rich
17:00:57 <Rich> RRSAgent, make log public
17:01:00 <Rich> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Oct/0034.html
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17:02:20 <jamesn> what is the correct URL for webex? I got
17:02:22 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
17:02:22 <jamesn> The meeting has been cancelled or ended!
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17:05:03 <MichaelC> present_
17:05:07 <MichaelC> present+
17:05:11 <jamesn> present+ JamesN
17:05:22 <MichaelC> s/present_//
17:05:42 <Rich> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
17:06:41 <Stefan> Scribe: Stefan
17:07:03 <Stefan> Topic: ARIA 1.1 CR CFC Decision
17:07:10 <MichaelC> present+ Matt_King
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17:07:15 <Rich> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria-admin/2016Oct/0016.html
17:07:27 <Stefan> Rich: 1.1 now CR
17:07:56 <Stefan> Rich: next tep meet with director2  next Wednesdays (26.)
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17:08:33 <Stefan> Michael: transition request in between
17:08:55 <Stefan> Rich: next wednesday chair ARIA WG?
17:08:57 <Stefan> Michael: OK
17:09:27 <jemma_> present+ jaeunku
17:10:09 <Stefan> Rich: will fix URL in agenda also
17:10:29 <Stefan> Michael: correct URL is in IRC topic
17:10:47 <jongund> forgot meeting password can someone send it to me
17:10:51 <MichaelC> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Oct/0023.html Updated WebEx info
17:11:14 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/wiki/ARIA_2.0_Issue_Triage
17:11:16 <Stefan> Topic: ARIA 2.0 Triage and ARIA 1.2 requirements
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17:12:06 <Stefan> Rich: Start with Issue 530 ISSUE-530- https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/530)
17:12:24 <Stefan> Rich: Do we need that for ARIA 1.1?
17:12:37 <Stefan> Rich: sounds editorial
17:13:01 <Stefan> Rich: let's put it in ARIA 1.2
17:13:40 <Stefan> Joanie: ok for me
17:14:01 <Stefan> Matt: we have required context already
17:14:13 <Stefan> Rich: they want to do it from the other direction
17:14:33 <Stefan> Matt: we have required context already
17:14:39 <Stefan> Rich: don't remember
17:14:54 <Stefan> Joanie: I don't like the arrows (?)
17:15:53 <Stefan> Joanie: rows - may be confusing
17:16:35 <Stefan> Joanie: rowgroup vs. row .. editorial arrows (visual thing)
17:17:25 <Stefan> Matt: we need notes here saying exactly what was inteneded
17:18:35 <Stefan> Joanie: required context role - we have it now
17:18:50 <Stefan> Rich: this editorial change can be made
17:19:00 <joanie> s/Joanie: I don't like the arrows (?)//
17:19:25 <Stefan> Stefan: I was insecure about the wording for arrows
17:19:34 <joanie> s/Joanie: rows - may be confusing//
17:19:51 <Stefan> STefan arrows -> means rows
17:19:59 <Rich> issue-641?
17:19:59 <trackbot> issue-641 -- Abstract role section allows nameFrom content, and some subclassed roles under section do not allow nameFrom:contents (even definition, img, and math, which seems like they should) -- open
17:19:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/641
17:21:05 <Stefan> Joanie: done
17:21:56 <Rich> issue-702?
17:21:56 <trackbot> issue-702 -- The ARIA Roles Model spec states that keyboard support for interactive widgets is optional, not required, which it should be. -- open
17:21:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/702
17:22:26 <Stefan> Rich: I have to look at this shoud
17:23:08 <Stefan> Rich: (looking at it) .. nothing found
17:23:29 <Stefan> James: no "must" please#
17:24:27 <Stefan> Rich: spec states that it is optional. on some devices you my not have a keyboard
17:25:36 <Stefan> Matt: content authors are required to manage focus .. strange .. in different sections .. we should change 2.3 probably
17:26:02 <Stefan> Matt:  content authorsshould manage focus
17:26:42 <jongund> what about blue tooth keyboards
17:26:52 <Stefan> Matt: on mobile devices there is no keyboard, no must here possible
17:27:08 <Stefan> John: what about bluetooth devices with keyboarfds
17:27:40 <Stefan> Rich: for safari on mobile you don't get reliable keyboard events (?)
17:27:55 <Stefan> Matt: sure?
17:27:58 <Stefan> Rich: yes
17:28:21 <Stefan> Rich: vauestep in ARIA 1.2 - reason for it
17:28:41 <Stefan> Rich: not ideal but we gotta d0 it
17:28:54 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#keyboard-operation
17:29:12 <Stefan> Rich: kb make all functions available from kb
17:30:58 <Stefan> Matt: does it work without screenreder but with keyboard alone? Bryan: yes
17:31:30 <Stefan> Matt: we need requirement with normative wording inside
17:31:53 <Stefan> Matt: I propose to say this is intentionally not a must
17:32:09 <Stefan> Rich: we do it in triage
17:32:18 <Stefan> Matt: kinda editorial
17:32:43 <Stefan> Rich: any objections to move it to 1.2
17:32:51 <Stefan> Rich: no? Done.
17:33:20 <Rich> issue-1011?
17:33:20 <trackbot> issue-1011 -- For role="text", there needs to be requirements on user agents for overrides, such as controls, events, and other global aria properties, like there is for role="presentation". -- open
17:33:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1011
17:33:48 <Stefan> Rich: we don't do this in 1.2
17:34:08 <Stefan> Rich: could be 2.0 discussion
17:34:11 <Stefan> Matt: yes
17:34:41 <Stefan> Joanie: parts are already covered
17:35:04 <Stefan> Joanie: dupe of static text
17:35:14 <Stefan> Rich: yes
17:35:33 <Stefan> Rich: (updating nd closing)
17:37:44 <Rich> issue-103?
17:37:44 <trackbot> issue-103 -- Expand value types for aria-invalid -- raised
17:37:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/103
17:37:46 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#keyboard-operation
17:38:01 <Stefan> Rich: leave it as ARIA 2.0? No objections.
17:38:26 <Rich> issue-161?
17:38:26 <trackbot> issue-161 -- Refine live region support -- raised
17:38:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/161
17:38:34 <Rich> issue-16?
17:38:34 <trackbot> issue-16 -- changes to the same content fragment may come from user and from world -- raised
17:38:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/16
17:40:16 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/comments/details?comment_id=10
17:41:26 <Stefan> Rich: web components may give us some help here
17:41:46 <Stefan> Matt: scope is HTML? no minor editorial things
17:42:05 <Stefan> Rich: leave it for 2.0. OK for anyone?
17:42:45 <Stefan> James: chess board example
17:42:59 <Stefan> James: live regions should announe WHO did changes on them
17:43:02 <Stefan> Rich: bid change
17:43:09 <Stefan> Rich: big change
17:43:32 <Stefan> Joanie: including it in 2.0 but not closing it yet
17:43:46 <Stefan> Joanie: we have some sort of messaging thing in ARIA 2.0
17:44:13 <Stefan> James: mesaging thing should be moved to ACC API STUFF
17:44:45 <Stefan> Matt: fix later
17:44:54 <Rich> issue-366?
17:44:54 <trackbot> issue-366 -- level property should be consistently applied either to leaf or container nodes -- raised
17:44:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/366
17:46:00 <Stefan> Rich: no author confusion yet detected about this yet
17:46:08 <Rich> q?
17:46:38 <Stefan> Rich: we leave it in for now
17:47:40 <joanie> issue-443
17:47:40 <trackbot> issue-443 -- ARIA group role should allow the aria-required property -- raised
17:47:40 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/443
17:47:51 <Rich> issue-443?
17:47:51 <trackbot> issue-443 -- ARIA group role should allow the aria-required property -- raised
17:47:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/443
17:48:04 <Stefan> issue-443?
17:48:04 <trackbot> issue-443 -- ARIA group role should allow the aria-required property -- raised
17:48:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/443
17:48:23 <Stefan> Rich: I think we had this already
17:49:56 <Stefan> Matt: should we allow required on group as for radiogroup?
17:50:32 <Stefan> James: saying required for checkbox is pointless
17:51:26 <Stefan> Matt: required has a tendency to add some noisiness and potemtial confusion
17:51:50 <Stefan> Matt: current set of required in ARIA is ok for me
17:52:05 <Stefan> Rich: leave, move , close?
17:52:28 <Stefan> Rich: consensus is to close with commen "won't fix"
17:52:53 <Stefan> issue-465
17:52:53 <trackbot> issue-465 -- All comboboxes should not implicityly set aria-haspopup=true -- raised
17:52:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/465
17:53:14 <Stefan> Matt: fixed
17:53:27 <Stefan> Rich: I thought it, too
17:53:45 <Stefan> Rich closing it
17:53:54 <Stefan> issue-506
17:53:54 <trackbot> issue-506 -- Progressbar: Consider whether accessible name should be required -- raised
17:53:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/506
17:54:24 <Stefan> Rich: context is clear .. progress
17:55:25 <Stefan> Matt: if cntext is clear we nead no label
17:55:52 <Stefan> Rich: I don't mind closing it
17:57:41 <Stefan> Topic: Timeline for 1.1 Authoring Practices
17:58:23 <Stefan> Matt: we do have def of done .. 1.1.PR .. April (?) .. Milestone
17:58:43 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/milestones?direction=asc&sort=completeness&state=open
17:58:51 <Stefan> Rih: what's the latest you gonna publish it?
17:58:57 <Stefan> Matt: April
17:59:30 <Stefan> Rich: OK I will tell Michael
18:00:04 <Stefan> James: but then there will be still stuff not in yet
18:00:29 <Stefan> Rich: we should have release date schedule
18:01:07 <Stefan> Matt: final 1.1 and then after that (6 Month) will an updateted release follow
18:01:31 <jongund> present+ jongund
18:01:39 <jongund> bye
18:02:24 <Stefan> Matt: we want align version numbers with ARIA spec but also update the thing without changing that .. our idea are revisions
18:03:18 <Stefan> James: next 1.1. revision will be october 2017
18:03:45 <Stefan> rssagent, make minutes
18:05:54 <Stefan> ?
18:07:23 <Stefan> MichaelC what was the command to make minutes?
18:08:24 <Stefan> rrsagent, make minutes
18:08:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/10/13-aria-minutes.html Stefan
18:08:29 <Stefan> THX
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