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18:36:51 <Judy> agenda+ Next meeting: next date, topic requests
18:37:05 <liam> present+
18:37:38 <MichaelC> zakim, close item 1
18:37:38 <Zakim> agendum 1, Confirming scribe and any agenda additions, closed
18:37:39 <Zakim> I see 12 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:37:39 <Zakim> 2. FYI on upcoming WCAG rechartering advance notice [from Judy]
18:37:41 <MichaelC> zakim, take up item 2
18:37:41 <Zakim> agendum 2. "FYI on upcoming WCAG rechartering advance notice" taken up [from Judy]
18:38:07 <MichaelC> joc: divisions in WCAG WG, but think we´re making progress
18:38:41 <MichaelC> key one is whether to commit to a set update timeline for the guidelines
18:39:05 <MichaelC> AWK has been putting around feelers outside the WG
18:39:16 <MichaelC> seems like positive feedback so far on the plans
18:39:25 <MichaelC> ¨the kittens of legislation seem to be appeased¨
18:39:39 <Judy> q+
18:39:45 <MichaelC> still people pushing hard in the WG on the topic
18:39:51 <MichaelC> AWK and I doing our level best
18:39:58 <MichaelC> don´t know how else to approach this
18:40:05 <MichaelC> have done due diligence in listening to opinions
18:40:09 <MichaelC> still trying to thread a needle
18:40:50 <AWK> q+
18:41:07 <Joshue108> ack judy
18:41:09 <MichaelC> think we´re managing discussion reasonably well though people still expressing concerns
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18:41:26 <MichaelC> jb: hope AWK using the same talking points we´ve been using
18:41:27 <Joshue108> JB: Andrew, when you are contacting people, I hope you are using the same talking points?
18:41:40 <Joshue108> JB: I will talk with China and the EU commission.
18:41:45 <MichaelC> I can contact China etc., with same talking points
18:41:49 <Joshue108> JB: We should co-ordinate on that.
18:42:02 <Joshue108> AWK: The context is that, I have been talking with people.
18:42:33 <Joshue108> AWK: I spoke with David Capposi, and he thought is all sounds great.
18:42:50 <Joshue108> AWK: Some people are saying that even the idea of a 2.1 is going to freak out regulators.
18:43:03 <Joshue108> AWK: So we have reached out to a few, keeping to the main points etc.
18:43:14 <Joshue108> AWK: The wide review will get more detail to us.
18:43:21 <Joshue108> AWK: The CFC ends tomorrow.
18:43:32 <Joshue108> AWK: That is to allow the draft charter to proceed.
18:43:52 <Joshue108> AWK: Some questions have come up.. but most are a combination of being off topic and easily addressed.
18:44:02 <Joshue108> AWK: Appreciate Josh feeling exhanusted :-)
18:44:10 <Joshue108> AWK: Its tiring stuff.
18:45:40 <Joshue108> JB: AWK, Michael can you give us the bare outline of the proposal.
18:45:59 <Joshue108> AWK: Sure.
18:46:19 <Joshue108> AWK: In short, we are looking at a 3 year charter that will give us time to produce a 2.1
18:46:27 <Joshue108> AWK: As an incremental update
18:46:35 <Joshue108> AWK: That will be done June 2018
18:46:50 <Joshue108> AWK: And we will be doing parallel work on Silver with FPWD in Oct 2019 for that.
18:46:58 <Joshue108> AWK: There is also the ACT TF
18:47:12 <Joshue108> AWK: Deliverable there also
18:47:22 <Joshue108> AWK: We are not being chartered for extensions
18:47:29 <Joshue108> AWK: So we are changing course.
18:47:38 <Joshue108> AWK: We are also changing the name to the A11yWG
18:48:00 <Joshue108> AWK: So it will be a combination of user agent stuff etc all together.
18:48:22 <AWK> s/to the A11yWG/to the AGWG
18:48:32 <Joshue108> JB: Questions?
18:48:39 <Joshue108> <crickets>
18:48:56 <Joshue108> AWK: If anyone has an AC rep, please do ask them to respond.
18:49:09 <Joshue108> JB: There will be two messages going out.
18:49:16 <Joshue108> JB: One to the W3C AC
18:49:24 <Joshue108> JB: Another to the broad community
18:49:39 <Joshue108> JB: Then both of those inputs will close.
18:49:54 <Joshue108> JB: Questions will come back to the WG, and then be sent out to formal review.
18:50:16 <Judy> s/Capposi/Capozzi/
18:50:20 <Joshue108> JB: So anything you can do to tell your AC to look for this would be good
18:50:22 <Judy> agenda?
18:51:27 <AWK> Scribe: AWK
18:51:39 <Joshue108> zakim, take up item 3
18:51:39 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Accessibility Conformance Testing TF sign-up reminder" taken up [from Judy]
18:51:53 <Joshue108> JB: This is a reminder..
18:51:58 <AWK> Judy: Just a reminder again
18:52:22 <AWK> Shadi: TF is up and running
18:52:31 <AWK> ... have good participation but looking for more
18:52:46 <AWK> ... esp people who can take active editorial and facilitation roles
18:53:01 <AWK> ... working on req's to get into more detail than in work statement
18:53:15 <AWK> ... first F2F at TPAC and that went well
18:53:27 <AWK> ... if you know anyone who might be interested send them to Shadi
18:53:27 <Brent> q+
18:53:32 <AWK> q-
18:54:06 <AWK> Shadi: some others have expressed interest but more ppl needed
18:54:10 <Judy> q+
18:54:40 <AWK> Brent: Mentioned Chelsea from Pearson possibly joining.  Do ppl need to be on WCAG WG?
18:54:42 <AWK> Shadi: Yes
18:54:53 <AWK> ... Let Michael or chairs know
18:55:26 <AWK> Judy: When is the notice being posted?
18:55:46 <AWK> Shadi: Soon
18:56:03 <Judy> agenda?
18:56:19 <AWK> Zakim, close item 3
18:56:19 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, AWK
18:56:27 <AWK> Ack Brent
18:56:29 <AWK> Ack ju
18:56:32 <AWK> Zakim, close item 3
18:56:32 <Zakim> agendum 3, Accessibility Conformance Testing TF sign-up reminder, closed
18:56:34 <Zakim> I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:56:34 <Zakim> 2. FYI on upcoming WCAG rechartering advance notice [from Judy]
18:56:34 <AWK> Zakim, close item 2
18:56:35 <Zakim> agendum 2, FYI on upcoming WCAG rechartering advance notice, closed
18:56:35 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:56:35 <Zakim> 4. FYI on early work on accessibility MOOC [from Judy]
18:56:40 <AWK> Zakim, next item
18:56:40 <Zakim> agendum 4. "FYI on early work on accessibility MOOC" taken up [from Judy]
18:56:56 <AWK> Zakim, take up next item
18:56:56 <Zakim> agendum 4 was just opened, AWK
18:57:34 <AWK> Judy: W3Cx collaboration with TEDx on HTML course heavily subscribed
18:57:56 <AWK> ... interest from different members on this
18:58:08 <AWK> ... Judy and Shadi are working on it
18:58:14 <AWK> ... ideas/comments to them
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18:59:02 <Judy> s/W3Cx collaboration with TEDx/W3C.x, which is a collaboration between W3C and ED.x
18:59:15 <AWK_> Scribe: AWK_
18:59:27 <AWK_> Judy: W3C.x is a MOOC
18:59:30 <Joshue108> looks cool
18:59:35 <Kathy> present+ Kathy
18:59:40 <AWK_> +AWK
18:59:49 <shadi> present+ shadi
18:59:51 <shadi> q+
18:59:58 <richardschwerdtfeger> agenda?
18:59:59 <AWK_> Judy: Had ~200K people registered
19:00:23 <AWK_> ... we are looking to piggyback on those numbers
19:00:27 <shadi> ack me
19:00:33 <AWK_> Shadi: commenting on the MOOC aspect
19:00:57 <AWK_> ... EdX would be one delivery channel but other channels are also possible
19:01:05 <AWK_> ... still needs to be refined
19:01:17 <AWK_> JOC: Who is teaching it?
19:01:22 <AWK_> Judy: TBD
19:01:41 <AWK_> q?
19:01:51 <AWK_> Zakim, close item 4
19:01:52 <Zakim> agendum 4, FYI on early work on accessibility MOOC, closed
19:01:53 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:01:53 <Zakim> 5. New ARIA test harness re-usable for UAAG 2.0? [from Judy]
19:01:54 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
19:01:54 <Zakim> agendum 5. "New ARIA test harness re-usable for UAAG 2.0?" taken up [from Judy]
19:02:08 <AWK_> Zakim, take up item 5
19:02:08 <Zakim> agendum 5. "New ARIA test harness re-usable for UAAG 2.0?" taken up [from Judy]
19:02:25 <MichaelC> q+
19:02:45 <AWK_> Judy: Joanie and Shane's test harness
19:02:56 <richardschwerdtfeger> q+
19:02:59 <shadi> q+
19:03:07 <AWK_> ... feedback on their harness? Other ways to use it?
19:03:57 <AWK_> MichaelC: As I understand it the ARIA harness looks at how items in sample code are represented in Accessibility APIs
19:04:05 <AWK_> ... not sure if applicable to UAAG
19:04:14 <AWK_> ... perhaps WebDriver would be better?
19:04:25 <AWK_> ... not sure how that would work, but just a thought
19:04:41 <AWK_> Judy: preliminary look suggests that it may help
19:04:52 <MichaelC> q+ to talk about relation to w3c test framework
19:04:58 <MichaelC> q- later
19:05:12 <AWK_> Rich: need to finish the test harness to support all of the browser mappings
19:05:20 <AWK_> ... still need to develop the tests
19:05:29 <AWK_> ... HTML WG is looking at the solution as well
19:05:44 <AWK_> ... Harness doesn't work with mobile browsers yet
19:06:06 <AWK_> ... to the extent that you can talk with APIs in the browser it should be fine
19:06:22 <AWK_> Shadi: Also in the ACT TF we are looking at it
19:06:39 <AWK_> ... trying to build on existing things, so still reviewing
19:07:09 <AWK_> ... Any pointers?
19:07:29 <AWK_> Rich: Jon Gunderson is holding calls that might help
19:07:45 <AWK_> ... call tonight
19:07:57 <MichaelC> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria-test/latest ARIA test list
19:08:19 <MichaelC> ack me
19:08:19 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to talk about relation to w3c test framework
19:08:23 <AWK_> MichaelC: Meeting cancelled tonight
19:08:26 <shadi> q-
19:08:58 <AWK_> ... designed to fit into he framework that PLH has been working on
19:09:22 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
19:09:22 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Judy
19:09:23 <AWK_> ... Shane has developed experience working in that framework and may be able to help
19:09:29 <Judy> q?
19:09:33 <Judy> ack r
19:09:35 <AWK_> ack r
19:09:36 <Judy> zakim, take up next item
19:09:37 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Check-in on any Reorg progress questions/gaps" taken up [from Judy]
19:09:43 <Judy> agenda?
19:10:50 <AWK_> Judy: getting questions about how to get x or y done in new structure
19:11:16 <AWK_> ... WAI director will help if she can
19:11:24 <AWK_> Zakim, next item
19:11:24 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Topics to go to/from WAI IG?" taken up [from Judy]
19:11:29 <Judy> s/will help if she can/is happy to help
19:11:31 <AWK_> zakim, agenda?
19:11:31 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda:
19:11:32 <Zakim> 7. Topics to go to/from WAI IG? [from Judy]
19:11:32 <Zakim> 8. Preparing for milestone check-ins [from Judy]
19:11:32 <Zakim> 9. Pending cross-reviews? [from Judy]
19:11:33 <Zakim> 10. Pending CG or Workshop Liaisons? [from Judy]
19:11:33 <Zakim> 11. Messaging of any upcoming publications? [from Judy]
19:11:33 <Zakim> 12. Any other business? [from Judy]
19:11:34 <Zakim> 13. Next meeting: next date, topic requests [from Judy]
19:11:46 <MichaelC> q+
19:12:01 <AWK_> Judy: Any issues for the IG list to be discussed?
19:12:24 <AWK_> MichaelC: WCAG wide review message may go out soon
19:12:35 <AWK_> ... ARIA 1.1 going to CR
19:13:17 <AWK_> ... some APA items coming but not yet
19:13:48 <AWK_> JS: wants to get TPAC updates in before sending APA items
19:14:45 <AWK_> Judy: any issue in groups that people on IG should discuss
19:14:48 <AWK_> q+
19:14:50 <AWK_> q-
19:15:02 <MichaelC> ack me
19:15:06 <AWK_> ack m
19:15:36 <AWK_> Zakim, next item
19:15:36 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Preparing for milestone check-ins" taken up [from Judy]
19:16:32 <AWK_> Judy: there's a new sheriff in town and milestones will be reviewed regularly
19:16:53 <AWK_> s/there's a new sheriff in town and /
19:17:53 <AWK_> Judy: There is a mitigating section of the reorg document that can affect milestones
19:18:11 <AWK_> ... do people regularly look at their milestones?
19:18:18 <MichaelC> q+
19:18:43 <Brent> q+
19:18:53 <AWK_> MichaelC: For ARIA we did a pass a couple weeks ago with PLH and then spoke with Rich and ARIA group
19:19:12 <Judy> agenda+ ARIA & TAG check-in
19:19:16 <AWK_> ... for WCAG it is 2x yearly Techs and Understanding docs and they are rocking it
19:19:33 <AWK_> ... APA hasn't been doing publication work
19:19:51 <AWK_> ... the CAPTCHA note and WTAG work is different
19:20:05 <AWK_> ... new 6 month milestone for the WTAG work
19:20:36 <AWK_> Brent: aware of milestones, shuffling priorities to keep on track.
19:20:59 <AWK_> ... working to make sure that they are all hit before the end of the charter
19:21:49 <AWK_> Judy: When rechartering know that it can take months so plan final milestones accordingly
19:22:04 <AWK_> ... as they may be part of the charter review
19:22:07 <MichaelC> ack me
19:22:08 <MichaelC> q_
19:22:10 <MichaelC> q+
19:22:17 <Brent> ack me
19:23:05 <AWK_> MichaelC: For WCAG much of the TF work is in the WCAG 2.1 plan
19:23:21 <AWK_> ... There is some COGA work that is in MichaelC's queue
19:23:55 <MichaelC> ack me
19:24:04 <AWK_> Zakim, next item
19:24:04 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Pending cross-reviews?" taken up [from Judy]
19:24:10 <AWK_> ZAkim, agenda?
19:24:10 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
19:24:11 <Zakim> 9. Pending cross-reviews? [from Judy]
19:24:11 <Zakim> 10. Pending CG or Workshop Liaisons? [from Judy]
19:24:11 <Zakim> 11. Messaging of any upcoming publications? [from Judy]
19:24:12 <Zakim> 12. Any other business? [from Judy]
19:24:12 <Zakim> 13. Next meeting: next date, topic requests [from Judy]
19:24:12 <Zakim> 14. ARIA & TAG check-in [from Judy]
19:24:46 <AWK_> Judy: are there any open needs for reviews? (No)
19:24:51 <AWK_> Zakim, next item
19:24:51 <Zakim> agendum 9 was just opened, AWK_
19:25:03 <AWK_> Zakim, close item 9
19:25:03 <Zakim> agendum 9, Pending cross-reviews?, closed
19:25:04 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:25:04 <Zakim> 10. Pending CG or Workshop Liaisons? [from Judy]
19:25:13 <AWK_> Zakim, next item
19:25:13 <Zakim> agendum 10. "Pending CG or Workshop Liaisons?" taken up [from Judy]
19:25:38 <AWK_> Judy: Charles LaPierre is going to the Virtual Reality workshop
19:25:56 <AWK_> ... other workshops.  Not aware of others? Anyone else?
19:26:14 <AWK_> ... for CG's, any updates?
19:27:00 <AWK_> JS: no particular update, did join a CG herself.  Interested in the driverless one
19:27:09 <AWK_> Zakim, next item
19:27:09 <Zakim> agendum 11. "Messaging of any upcoming publications?" taken up [from Judy]
19:27:23 <Judy> s/Reality workshop/Reality Workshop, and we will be meeting to brainstorm/
19:27:59 <AWK_> MichaelC: ARIA 1.1, DPUB roles - to CR
19:28:32 <AWK_> ... COGA work (FPWD), COGA gap analysis,
19:28:43 <AWK_> ... Accessibility API mappings in Jan/Feb
19:29:02 <AWK_> ... Graphics roles may be soon?
19:31:03 <AWK_> Judy and Michael will talk off-line to figure out a good way to keep a list
19:31:30 <AWK_> Judy: COGA gap analysis sounds like a WAI IG discussion?
19:31:47 <MichaelC> -> http://w3c.github.io/coga/gap-analysis/ Cognitive Accessibility Roadmap and Gap Analysis editors´ draft
19:31:51 <AWK_> MichaelC: it is based on user research and research
19:32:10 <AWK_> Judy: We can raise it with Katie
19:32:13 <AWK_> q+
19:33:28 <AWK_> AWK: as an editor's draft just raising the need for feedback on the list may stimulate discussion
19:33:35 <AWK_> q-
19:34:10 <AWK_> q+ to ask proceeding how (SVG)
19:34:55 <AWK_> ack AWK
19:34:55 <Zakim> AWK_, you wanted to ask proceeding how (SVG)
19:35:11 <AWK_> Judy: as much as I know
19:35:46 <AWK_> ... trying to proceed with the SVG 2 spec
19:36:19 <AWK_> ... think decision was made to go to the next step, with some features withdrawn possibly?
19:36:36 <AWK_> ... things still getting figured out
19:37:24 <Judy> agenda?
19:37:35 <AWK_> zakim, next item
19:37:35 <Zakim> agendum 12. "Any other business?" taken up [from Judy]
19:38:07 <AWK_> Judy: ARIA and TAG check in
19:38:12 <AWK_> Zakim, close item 14
19:38:12 <Zakim> agendum 14, ARIA & TAG check-in, closed
19:38:13 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:38:13 <Zakim> 12. Any other business? [from Judy]
19:38:24 <AWK_> Judy: how is that going?
19:38:52 <AWK_> Rich: was a bit of a wild goose chase
19:39:10 <AWK_> ... They wanted support for web components and all HTML elements
19:39:28 <AWK_> ... we are doing that post-ARIA 1.1 and as a result they are happy
19:40:35 <AWK_> Judy: in looking into the ARIA issue in the issue repository
19:40:57 <AWK_> ... do we have representation?  Issue was related to keyboard access?
19:41:07 <AWK_> MichaelC: Not sure of the issue
19:41:13 <AWK_> ... need more information
19:42:26 <AWK_> Judy: will follow up with Ralph
19:42:52 <AWK_> Zakim, next item
19:42:52 <Zakim> agendum 13. "Next meeting: next date, topic requests" taken up [from Judy]
19:43:17 <AWK_> +1 to regular schedule
19:43:29 <AWK_> Judy: request for regular schedule
19:43:49 <AWK_> ... our pattern is every other week
19:44:30 <AWK_> That would mean the next meeting is October 26 and then November 9 and then November 23
19:45:14 <AWK_> Judy: what do people think?
19:45:23 <AWK_> Scribe dropping off in 5 seconds
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19:47:43 <Judy> title: WAI Coordination Call
19:47:52 <Judy> chair: Judy_Brewer