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16:54:36 <jamesn> Meeting: ARIA APG TF
16:54:44 <jamesn> chair: JamesNurthen
16:54:49 <jamesn> present+ JamesNurthen
16:55:02 <jamesn> Agenda+ Issue #12: code review guide (Ian) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/12
16:55:10 <jamesn> Agenda+ Issue 109: Develop example of the tree view design pattern (Jon/Jemma) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/109
16:55:10 <jamesn> Agenda+ Issue 110: Develop example of menu or menubar design pattern (Jon/Jemma) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/110
16:55:10 <jamesn> Agenda+ Review status of current example development work https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/Design-Patterns-Status
16:55:33 <jamesn> agenda+ If we have time, I’d like to review the tabs widget code example. http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/tabs/tabs.html
16:55:45 <jamesn> agenda?
16:58:01 <jemma> present+ JaEunJemmaKu
16:58:25 <MichielBijl> present+ MichielBijl
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17:04:48 <jamesn> agenda?
17:06:06 <annabbott> present+ AnnAbbott
17:06:12 <MichielBijl> scribe: MichielBijl
17:06:33 <MichielBijl> zakim, take up item 2
17:06:33 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Issue 109: Develop example of the tree view design pattern (Jon/Jemma) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/109" taken up [from jamesn]
17:06:56 <MichielBijl> JN: John, any updates on tree view?
17:07:05 <MichielBijl> JG: code example you mean?
17:07:07 <MichielBijl> JN: yeah.
17:07:13 <jamesn> http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/#TreeView
17:07:13 <MichielBijl> MK: did merge in the pull request.
17:07:26 <MichielBijl> JN: Should we review this?
17:07:29 <MichielBijl> MK: Sure
17:07:41 <MichielBijl> JG: Sounds like we need some changes ?? returns false
17:08:09 <MichielBijl> s/??/something in menubar/
17:08:20 <MichielBijl> JN: We’re looking at tree view first
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17:14:56 <MichielBijl> JN: Are we okay with it? Have people tested it?
17:15:03 <MichielBijl> MK: There are four examples
17:15:10 <IanPouncey> present+
17:15:16 <MichielBijl> JN, MK: haven’t tested them yet
17:15:47 <MichielBijl> JN: Should we say “have them tested by next week?”
17:15:54 <MichielBijl> JN: Log issues to github.
17:15:59 <MichielBijl> MK: yeah that sounds good.
17:19:38 <MichielBijl> MK: Firefox is doing the computation correctly
17:19:42 <MichielBijl> MK: I’ll check Chrome
17:20:14 <MichielBijl> AA: Matt, did you say Firefox did it correctly for aria-posinset, setsize, etc?
17:20:16 <MichielBijl> MK: Yes
17:20:25 <MichielBijl> MK: Firefox 49 is better
17:20:47 <MichielBijl> JN: Worth discussing during call?
17:21:05 <MichielBijl> MK: Guidance question, should authors set posinset etc?
17:21:31 <MichielBijl> JN: Only if DOM structure doesn’t allow it to be computed.
17:21:47 <MichielBijl> AA: Do we have to test across browsers?
17:22:03 <MichielBijl> JN: No, APG is best practices, doesn’t have to work everywhere
17:22:10 <MichielBijl> MB: That’s correct
17:22:23 <MichielBijl> MK: Should fail ARIA tests
17:25:43 <MichielBijl> MK: script and CSS should work
17:25:53 <MichielBijl> MK: but screen readers don’t necessarily have to wrok.
17:29:50 <MichielBijl> *long discussion about whether to include posinset, setsize, etc.
17:29:59 <MichielBijl> s/etc./etc.*/
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17:36:51 <MichielBijl> JN: If everyone can test treeview before next week and file bugs
17:37:12 <MichielBijl> zakim, take up item 1
17:37:12 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Issue #12: code review guide (Ian) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/12" taken up [from jamesn]
17:38:00 <MichielBijl> MK: Is on the agenda to provide group an update where we are with the code guide
17:38:36 <MichielBijl> IP: Jesse Beach did a lot of work getting some code review software in place
17:38:54 <MichielBijl> IP: Basically can see if any submitted code meets our standards
17:39:04 <MichielBijl> IP: Need to incorporate those rules into the guide
17:39:23 <MichielBijl> IP: Things like number of space, indentation etc.
17:39:34 <MichielBijl> IP: Pretty straight forward to edit that
17:40:10 <MichielBijl> IP: Were do you want this to live?
17:40:24 <MichielBijl> MB: root master branch.
17:40:31 <MichielBijl> MB: sub dir called docs
17:40:38 <MichielBijl> MK: Sounds good to me
17:41:00 <MichielBijl> MK: Issue with auto update
17:41:18 <MichielBijl> MK: Running both auto generate and JS lint
17:43:26 <MichielBijl> MB: Need status icon for travis/JSCS
17:45:22 <MichielBijl> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices
17:46:43 <MichielBijl> JN: Don’t want to make it to difficult to contribute
17:46:48 <jongund> what is the url to the requirements?
17:46:49 <MichielBijl> JK: I agree
17:47:28 <MichielBijl> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/blob/master/.jscsrc
17:50:25 <MichielBijl> MB: more a job for the editors, shouldn’t make it more difficult to contribute
17:50:46 <MichielBijl> IP: Agree, makes it easier on our side to review
17:51:12 <MichielBijl> http://jscs.info
17:51:13 <jamesn> http://jscs.info/
17:51:26 <MichielBijl> .jscsrc
17:51:29 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/blob/master/.jscsrc
17:52:16 <MichielBijl> JK: What should we do about the errors in the PR?
17:52:21 <MichielBijl> MB: Ideally, fix them.
17:52:29 <MichielBijl> JN: JSCS can fix most of them automatically
17:54:21 <MichielBijl> TOPIC: Call duration
17:54:36 <MichielBijl> MB: Did we officially shorten it to 60 minutes?
17:54:39 <MichielBijl> JN: No not yet
17:54:59 <MichielBijl> JN: You, Matt, and I can discuss afterwards
17:55:07 <MichielBijl> NJ: Don’t need CfC
17:56:02 <MichielBijl> MichielBijl has changed the topic to: Next meeting October 17rd. WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/e.php?MTID=mb37eefe6ee01f16437b083a4018efedd
17:56:16 <MichielBijl> s/NJ/JN/
17:56:20 <MichielBijl> zakim, take up next item
17:56:20 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Issue 109: Develop example of the tree view design pattern (Jon/Jemma) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/109" taken up [from jamesn]
17:56:23 <MichielBijl> zakim, take up next item
17:56:24 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, MichielBijl
17:56:29 <MichielBijl> zakim, close item 2
17:56:29 <Zakim> agendum 2, Issue 109: Develop example of the tree view design pattern (Jon/Jemma) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/109, closed
17:56:31 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:56:31 <Zakim> 3. Issue 110: Develop example of menu or menubar design pattern (Jon/Jemma) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/110 [from jamesn]
17:56:32 <MichielBijl> zakim, take up next item
17:56:33 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Issue 110: Develop example of menu or menubar design pattern (Jon/Jemma) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/110" taken up [from jamesn]
17:56:47 <MichielBijl> JN: Hasn’t passed travis test
17:57:15 <MichielBijl> IP: Passing the travis test is irrelevant to functionality
17:57:21 <MichielBijl> JN, MB: Agree
17:57:26 <MichielBijl> JN: It’s in the APG
17:57:36 <MichielBijl> JN: Think Bryan had a comment on the list
17:57:56 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/119
17:58:06 <jamesn> https://github.com/a11ydoer/aria-practices
17:58:25 <jemma_> https://github.com/a11ydoer/aria-practices/tree/menubar
17:58:57 <jamesn> http://jongund.github.io/oaa-examples/examples/menubar/menubar-1/menubar-1.html
17:59:15 <jemma_> http://jongund.github.io/oaa-examples/examples/menubar/menubar-2/menubar-2.html
17:59:58 <MichielBijl> JN: Do we want to review them here, or do that off call and get back to it next week?
18:11:39 <annabbott> scribe: AnnAbbott
18:12:57 <annabbott> MC: example menu doesn't open on Enter
18:13:41 <annabbott> because menu/menuitems are links
18:15:24 <annabbott> s/MC/JN
18:15:39 <jemma_> in the spec, "Enter and optionally Space: activate the menu item with focus (perform the command or open the submenu associated with the menu item)."
18:15:51 <jemma_> https://cdn.rawgit.com/w3c/aria-practices/master/aria-practices.html
18:16:30 <annabbott> AA: defer mega menu discussion until Matt is on call due to his experience
18:18:45 <annabbott> JN & Jemma: spec should state clearly what is expected
18:18:54 <annabbott> JN: will log issue
18:19:44 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/120
18:20:10 <annabbott> zakim: next item
18:20:16 <jamesn> zakim, next item
18:20:16 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Review status of current example development work https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/Design-Patterns-Status" taken up [from jamesn]
18:20:52 <annabbott> JN: any updates?
18:21:21 <annabbott> JN: anyone can take any unassigned
18:21:58 <annabbott> JN: let's end here & may/may not have call next week
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