IRC log of aria-apg on 2016-10-03
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- 16:54:28 [jamesn]
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- Meeting: ARIA APG TF
- 16:54:44 [jamesn]
- chair: JamesNurthen
- 16:54:49 [jamesn]
- present+ JamesNurthen
- 16:55:02 [jamesn]
- Agenda+ Issue #12: code review guide (Ian) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/12
- 16:55:10 [jamesn]
- Agenda+ Issue 109: Develop example of the tree view design pattern (Jon/Jemma) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/109
- 16:55:10 [jamesn]
- Agenda+ Issue 110: Develop example of menu or menubar design pattern (Jon/Jemma) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/110
- 16:55:10 [jamesn]
- Agenda+ Review status of current example development work https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/Design-Patterns-Status
- 16:55:33 [jamesn]
- agenda+ If we have time, I’d like to review the tabs widget code example. http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/examples/tabs/tabs.html
- 16:55:45 [jamesn]
- agenda?
- 16:58:01 [jemma]
- present+ JaEunJemmaKu
- 16:58:25 [MichielBijl]
- present+ MichielBijl
- 17:01:44 [annabbott]
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- 17:03:44 [jongund]
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- 17:03:55 [jongund]
- present+ jongund
- 17:04:48 [jamesn]
- agenda?
- 17:06:06 [annabbott]
- present+ AnnAbbott
- 17:06:12 [MichielBijl]
- scribe: MichielBijl
- 17:06:33 [MichielBijl]
- zakim, take up item 2
- 17:06:33 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Issue 109: Develop example of the tree view design pattern (Jon/Jemma) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/109" taken up [from jamesn]
- 17:06:56 [MichielBijl]
- JN: John, any updates on tree view?
- 17:07:05 [MichielBijl]
- JG: code example you mean?
- 17:07:07 [MichielBijl]
- JN: yeah.
- 17:07:13 [jamesn]
- http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/#TreeView
- 17:07:13 [MichielBijl]
- MK: did merge in the pull request.
- 17:07:26 [MichielBijl]
- JN: Should we review this?
- 17:07:29 [MichielBijl]
- MK: Sure
- 17:07:41 [MichielBijl]
- JG: Sounds like we need some changes ?? returns false
- 17:08:09 [MichielBijl]
- s/??/something in menubar/
- 17:08:20 [MichielBijl]
- JN: We’re looking at tree view first
- 17:12:54 [bgaraventa1979]
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- present+ Bryan_Garaventa
- 17:13:26 [IanPouncey]
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- 17:14:56 [MichielBijl]
- JN: Are we okay with it? Have people tested it?
- 17:15:03 [MichielBijl]
- MK: There are four examples
- 17:15:10 [IanPouncey]
- present+
- 17:15:16 [MichielBijl]
- JN, MK: haven’t tested them yet
- 17:15:47 [MichielBijl]
- JN: Should we say “have them tested by next week?”
- 17:15:54 [MichielBijl]
- JN: Log issues to github.
- 17:15:59 [MichielBijl]
- MK: yeah that sounds good.
- 17:19:38 [MichielBijl]
- MK: Firefox is doing the computation correctly
- 17:19:42 [MichielBijl]
- MK: I’ll check Chrome
- 17:20:14 [MichielBijl]
- AA: Matt, did you say Firefox did it correctly for aria-posinset, setsize, etc?
- 17:20:16 [MichielBijl]
- MK: Yes
- 17:20:25 [MichielBijl]
- MK: Firefox 49 is better
- 17:20:47 [MichielBijl]
- JN: Worth discussing during call?
- 17:21:05 [MichielBijl]
- MK: Guidance question, should authors set posinset etc?
- 17:21:31 [MichielBijl]
- JN: Only if DOM structure doesn’t allow it to be computed.
- 17:21:47 [MichielBijl]
- AA: Do we have to test across browsers?
- 17:22:03 [MichielBijl]
- JN: No, APG is best practices, doesn’t have to work everywhere
- 17:22:10 [MichielBijl]
- MB: That’s correct
- 17:22:23 [MichielBijl]
- MK: Should fail ARIA tests
- 17:25:43 [MichielBijl]
- MK: script and CSS should work
- 17:25:53 [MichielBijl]
- MK: but screen readers don’t necessarily have to wrok.
- 17:29:50 [MichielBijl]
- *long discussion about whether to include posinset, setsize, etc.
- 17:29:59 [MichielBijl]
- s/etc./etc.*/
- 17:36:36 [jemma_]
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- 17:36:51 [MichielBijl]
- JN: If everyone can test treeview before next week and file bugs
- 17:37:12 [MichielBijl]
- zakim, take up item 1
- 17:37:12 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Issue #12: code review guide (Ian) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/12" taken up [from jamesn]
- 17:38:00 [MichielBijl]
- MK: Is on the agenda to provide group an update where we are with the code guide
- 17:38:36 [MichielBijl]
- IP: Jesse Beach did a lot of work getting some code review software in place
- 17:38:54 [MichielBijl]
- IP: Basically can see if any submitted code meets our standards
- 17:39:04 [MichielBijl]
- IP: Need to incorporate those rules into the guide
- 17:39:23 [MichielBijl]
- IP: Things like number of space, indentation etc.
- 17:39:34 [MichielBijl]
- IP: Pretty straight forward to edit that
- 17:40:10 [MichielBijl]
- IP: Were do you want this to live?
- 17:40:24 [MichielBijl]
- MB: root master branch.
- 17:40:31 [MichielBijl]
- MB: sub dir called docs
- 17:40:38 [MichielBijl]
- MK: Sounds good to me
- 17:41:00 [MichielBijl]
- MK: Issue with auto update
- 17:41:18 [MichielBijl]
- MK: Running both auto generate and JS lint
- 17:43:26 [MichielBijl]
- MB: Need status icon for travis/JSCS
- 17:45:22 [MichielBijl]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices
- 17:46:43 [MichielBijl]
- JN: Don’t want to make it to difficult to contribute
- 17:46:48 [jongund]
- what is the url to the requirements?
- 17:46:49 [MichielBijl]
- JK: I agree
- 17:47:28 [MichielBijl]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/blob/master/.jscsrc
- 17:50:25 [MichielBijl]
- MB: more a job for the editors, shouldn’t make it more difficult to contribute
- 17:50:46 [MichielBijl]
- IP: Agree, makes it easier on our side to review
- 17:51:12 [MichielBijl]
- http://jscs.info
- 17:51:13 [jamesn]
- http://jscs.info/
- 17:51:26 [MichielBijl]
- .jscsrc
- 17:51:29 [jamesn]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/blob/master/.jscsrc
- 17:52:16 [MichielBijl]
- JK: What should we do about the errors in the PR?
- 17:52:21 [MichielBijl]
- MB: Ideally, fix them.
- 17:52:29 [MichielBijl]
- JN: JSCS can fix most of them automatically
- 17:54:21 [MichielBijl]
- TOPIC: Call duration
- 17:54:36 [MichielBijl]
- MB: Did we officially shorten it to 60 minutes?
- 17:54:39 [MichielBijl]
- JN: No not yet
- 17:54:59 [MichielBijl]
- JN: You, Matt, and I can discuss afterwards
- 17:55:07 [MichielBijl]
- NJ: Don’t need CfC
- 17:56:02 [MichielBijl]
- MichielBijl has changed the topic to: Next meeting October 17rd. WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/e.php?MTID=mb37eefe6ee01f16437b083a4018efedd
- 17:56:16 [MichielBijl]
- s/NJ/JN/
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- zakim, take up next item
- 17:56:20 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Issue 109: Develop example of the tree view design pattern (Jon/Jemma) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/109" taken up [from jamesn]
- 17:56:23 [MichielBijl]
- zakim, take up next item
- 17:56:24 [Zakim]
- agendum 2 was just opened, MichielBijl
- 17:56:29 [MichielBijl]
- zakim, close item 2
- 17:56:29 [Zakim]
- agendum 2, Issue 109: Develop example of the tree view design pattern (Jon/Jemma) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/109, closed
- 17:56:31 [Zakim]
- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 17:56:31 [Zakim]
- 3. Issue 110: Develop example of menu or menubar design pattern (Jon/Jemma) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/110 [from jamesn]
- 17:56:32 [MichielBijl]
- zakim, take up next item
- 17:56:33 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "Issue 110: Develop example of menu or menubar design pattern (Jon/Jemma) https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/110" taken up [from jamesn]
- 17:56:47 [MichielBijl]
- JN: Hasn’t passed travis test
- 17:57:15 [MichielBijl]
- IP: Passing the travis test is irrelevant to functionality
- 17:57:21 [MichielBijl]
- JN, MB: Agree
- 17:57:26 [MichielBijl]
- JN: It’s in the APG
- 17:57:36 [MichielBijl]
- JN: Think Bryan had a comment on the list
- 17:57:56 [jamesn]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/119
- 17:58:06 [jamesn]
- https://github.com/a11ydoer/aria-practices
- 17:58:25 [jemma_]
- https://github.com/a11ydoer/aria-practices/tree/menubar
- 17:58:57 [jamesn]
- http://jongund.github.io/oaa-examples/examples/menubar/menubar-1/menubar-1.html
- 17:59:15 [jemma_]
- http://jongund.github.io/oaa-examples/examples/menubar/menubar-2/menubar-2.html
- 17:59:58 [MichielBijl]
- JN: Do we want to review them here, or do that off call and get back to it next week?
- 18:11:39 [annabbott]
- scribe: AnnAbbott
- 18:12:57 [annabbott]
- MC: example menu doesn't open on Enter
- 18:13:41 [annabbott]
- because menu/menuitems are links
- 18:15:24 [annabbott]
- s/MC/JN
- 18:15:39 [jemma_]
- in the spec, "Enter and optionally Space: activate the menu item with focus (perform the command or open the submenu associated with the menu item)."
- 18:15:51 [jemma_]
- https://cdn.rawgit.com/w3c/aria-practices/master/aria-practices.html
- 18:16:30 [annabbott]
- AA: defer mega menu discussion until Matt is on call due to his experience
- 18:18:45 [annabbott]
- JN & Jemma: spec should state clearly what is expected
- 18:18:54 [annabbott]
- JN: will log issue
- 18:19:44 [jamesn]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/120
- 18:20:10 [annabbott]
- zakim: next item
- 18:20:16 [jamesn]
- zakim, next item
- 18:20:16 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "Review status of current example development work https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/Design-Patterns-Status" taken up [from jamesn]
- 18:20:52 [annabbott]
- JN: any updates?
- 18:21:21 [annabbott]
- JN: anyone can take any unassigned
- 18:21:58 [annabbott]
- JN: let's end here & may/may not have call next week
- 18:22:17 [annabbott]
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