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14:51:46 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
14:51:46 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
14:51:47 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
14:51:47 <trackbot> Date: 27 September 2016
14:51:55 <Joshue108> zakim, agenda?
14:51:55 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
14:51:56 <Zakim> 3. WCAG 2.1 requirements discussion (https://w3c.github.io/wcag21/requirements/) [from AWK]
14:51:56 <Zakim> 5. Review COGA SC Proposals [from AWK]
14:51:56 <Zakim> 6. DPUB meeting [from AWK]
14:51:57 <Zakim> 7. Review MATF SC Proposals [from AWK]
14:51:57 <Zakim> 8. Review LVTF SC Proposals [from AWK]
14:51:57 <Zakim> 9. WCAG 2.1 requirements [from AWK]
14:54:07 <AWK> zakim, clear agenda
14:54:07 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:54:15 <AWK> agenda+ TPAC debrief
14:54:30 <AWK> agenda+ Techniques and Understanding timeline
14:54:44 <AWK> agenda+ GitHub issues
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15:00:22 <AWK> +AWK
15:00:54 <KimD> +KimD
15:01:45 <Rachael> +Rachael
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15:02:23 <AWK> Having trouble with webex - hang in there everyone
15:02:34 <SarahHorton> +SarahHorton
15:02:34 <AWK> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:02:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/27-wai-wcag-minutes.html AWK
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15:02:53 <Kathy> present+
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15:04:26 <Lauriat> Present+ Lauriat
15:04:53 <Greg> Present+ Greg_Lowney
15:05:20 <AWK> rrsagent, set logs public
15:05:28 <Joshue108> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List
15:06:31 <AWK> Scribe: Laura
15:06:39 <AWK> Zakim, agenda?
15:06:39 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
15:06:40 <Zakim> 1. TPAC debrief [from AWK]
15:06:40 <Zakim> 2. Techniques and Understanding timeline [from AWK]
15:06:40 <Zakim> 3. GitHub issues [from AWK]
15:07:43 <laura> AWK: Don’t have an extensive agenda today.
15:08:08 <Joshue108> KimD or Greg if either of you would be up for scribing next week?
15:08:14 <laura> …TPAC, Update on tech timeline, and Github Issues
15:08:25 <Makoto> Makoto has joined #wai-wcag
15:08:38 <laura> …a lot of work is being done in task forces.
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15:09:13 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
15:09:20 <Makoto> Present+ Makoto
15:09:28 <laura> …keep your band with in mind.
15:09:29 <AWK> Zakim, take up item 1
15:09:29 <Zakim> agendum 1. "TPAC debrief" taken up [from AWK]
15:09:37 <laura> TOPIC: TPAC
15:10:33 <laura> We had reports from all the task forces.
15:10:55 <laura> Number of SCs almost 50.
15:11:45 <laura> AWK: We don’t know how many will show up in the final doc.
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15:12:11 <laura> …Very good meeting.
15:12:16 <Joshue108> q?
15:12:19 <Joshue108> q+
15:12:24 <Joshue108> ack me
15:12:27 <AWK> ack j
15:12:43 <laura> Josh: Thanks to everyone. Was a good meeting.
15:12:44 <Kathy> q+
15:13:13 <AWK> ack kathy
15:13:17 <laura> …good to see progress. Feeling positive.
15:13:22 <AWK> agenda+ Silver next steps
15:13:24 <Kathy> q-
15:13:32 <laura> Kathy: Echo similar points.
15:13:53 <laura> …good to hear what the other TFs were doing.
15:14:29 <laura> …need to find out user needs for SCs and how they may be combined.
15:14:44 <laura> …lots to think about.
15:15:19 <laura> …need to review proposals.
15:15:38 <laura> …overall worhwhile.
15:15:48 <Joshue108> q?
15:16:08 <laura> AWK: meweting with digital publishing.
15:16:20 <Ryladog> q+
15:16:23 <Joshue108> s/meeting/meeting
15:16:41 <laura> …they are adopting WCAG 2 and then adding to it.
15:16:47 <Joshue108> q+ to say that ePub also have a bunch of new techniques that are getting updated in early Oct
15:17:04 <laura> …they are aware of the Dec 1 deadline.
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15:17:58 <laura> Katie: was unaware that WCAG is combining with them
15:18:22 <laura> … awesome thing.
15:18:35 <Joshue108> s/WCAG is combining with them/ WCAG is combining with IDPF potentially
15:19:15 <laura> AWK: IDPF melding not finalized yet.
15:19:39 <Joshue108> ack me
15:19:39 <Zakim> Joshue, you wanted to say that ePub also have a bunch of new techniques that are getting updated in early Oct
15:19:41 <laura> David: some complications but going forward
15:19:45 <AWK> ack r
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15:19:55 <Joshue108> http://www.idpf.org/epub/a11y/techniques/techniques.html
15:20:06 <Ryladog> Yeah!!
15:20:18 <Ryladog> more technique to review!
15:20:21 <laura> Josh: They have techs
15:20:35 <laura> …we can fold them into our docs.
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15:20:54 <Joshue108> s/we can fold them into our docs/we can fold them into our docs after working group review.
15:21:09 <laura> AWK: spent time on silver planning.
15:21:41 <laura> …we are not chartered to do Silver yet.
15:22:04 <laura> …but we are plannning and having conversatioins.
15:23:05 <laura> …we are working on charter
15:23:37 <laura> …interested in having WCAG stay current. On a 2 year cycle.
15:23:50 <Ryladog> q+
15:24:01 <Joshue108> q+
15:24:12 <laura> …not sure how long silver will take.
15:24:41 <laura> …want to keep moving forward. 2.1 will help us there.
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15:25:46 <laura> …2 year cycle. If sliver takes longer we may have a 2.3
15:25:54 <AWK> ack ry
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15:26:46 <laura> katie: who was invovled with that consensus?
15:27:00 <laura> AWK: people in the room.
15:27:10 <laura> David: not me
15:27:43 <laura> katie: decoupling is a bad idea in my mind.
15:28:15 <laura> …would be a nightmare.
15:28:47 <AWK> s/sliver/silver
15:28:54 <Wilco> present+ Wilco
15:28:56 <laura> ..we should get 2.1 including TF work.
15:29:08 <jeanne> present+ jeanne
15:29:43 <AWK> ack josh
15:29:48 <Joshue108> ack me
15:29:56 <laura> …don’t punish TF’s if  SCs are not ready
15:30:29 <laura> josh: thanks to silver group for thier work.
15:30:32 <kirkwood_> +kirkwood
15:30:48 <laura> josh: dont thing we had consensus
15:30:49 <AWK> ack to say that there is a difference between consensus in a room and on the group
15:31:41 <Ryladog> q+
15:31:49 <laura> …SCs that do not make it in 2.1 will get into 2.1 or silver.
15:32:23 <laura> …we on a strict timeline.
15:32:46 <Joshue108> q?
15:32:47 <AWK> ack awk
15:33:04 <laura> ..want to see COGA SC in there but have to be practical.
15:33:21 <MoeKraft> present+ moekraft
15:33:22 <AWK> q+
15:33:26 <AWK> ack ry
15:33:44 <laura> Katie: we need to include COGA SC. They need our help.
15:34:04 <laura> josh: let’s do that.
15:34:11 <AWK> ack awk
15:34:15 <laura> katie: can’t do it alone.
15:34:21 <Joshue108> ack awk
15:34:54 <laura> AWK: purpose after Dec 1 is that we work on SCs.
15:35:01 <Kathy> q+
15:35:12 <Joshue108> s/dont thing we had consensus/don't think we had consensus but were close
15:35:32 <Ryladog> I agree that components may need to bbe combined
15:36:18 <Joshue108> s/we on a strict timeline./we are on a strict timeline
15:36:19 <laura> …will be improvements for COGA in 2.1 some may have to wait to silver.
15:36:45 <laura> …some may be before silver.
15:36:50 <AWK> ack kathy
15:37:22 <laura> kathy: agree that deadline is challenging.
15:37:37 <Ryladog> q+
15:37:48 <laura> …SC’s don't need to be perfect.
15:38:30 <laura> …we need the user requirements.
15:39:12 <Joshue108> q?
15:39:24 <AWK> ack ry
15:39:27 <Joshue108> q?
15:39:35 <laura> COGAs SC personalization SCs needs to work with mobile’s SCs
15:40:49 <laura> katie: need to hash things out and get it on the books.
15:41:28 <AWK> q+ to talk about decoupling
15:41:37 <laura> katie: need to work together. Need sedicated time to work on it.
15:41:51 <AWK> s/sedicated/dedicated
15:41:55 <AWK> ack awk
15:41:55 <Zakim> AWK, you wanted to talk about decoupling
15:42:11 <laura> s/sedicated/dedicated/
15:43:06 <laura> awk:  consensus in the room is different than group consensus
15:43:22 <Ryladog> q+
15:43:42 <laura> …we should be focused on WCAG matching the world.
15:44:38 <laura> …always policiy effort occurring around the world. WCAG needs to keep pace.
15:45:09 <laura> s/policiy/policy/
15:45:16 <Joshue108> q?
15:45:20 <laura> …need to keep up to date.
15:45:32 <Joshue108> I think that's fair.
15:45:51 <Joshue108> q+
15:46:05 <laura> Katie: we need to be up to date.
15:46:33 <laura> …there are ways to handle it.
15:46:56 <Joshue108> ack me
15:47:12 <laura> josh: agrees with AWK.
15:47:25 <David-MacDonald> q+
15:47:28 <laura> …do people object to 2 year cycle?
15:48:00 <jeanne> +1 to a two year cycle for updates to WCAG
15:49:12 <MichaelC> q+
15:49:24 <laura> katie: we need to continue to improve WCAG.
15:49:31 <MichaelC> q+ to say best practices come in many forms
15:49:37 <AWK> q+ to clarify decoupling further, not to decouple the ability to work with policy but to decouple timing
15:50:49 <laura> josh: have been hamstrung with policy constraints.
15:50:58 <AWK> ack r
15:51:43 <MichaelC> q+ to say we need can´t overlook policy implications, but also can´t be blocked by them
15:51:52 <AWK> ack da
15:51:53 <laura> …I am prepare to give 2 year cycle a go. We need to get 2.1 out.
15:52:55 <laura> David: we want a regular cycle. But maybe not put 2 years in the charter.
15:52:56 <AWK> ack m
15:52:56 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say best practices come in many forms and to say we need can´t overlook policy implications, but also can´t be blocked by them
15:53:21 <laura> Michael: Not opposed to 2 year cycle.
15:53:55 <laura> …better to charter in 2 year blocks then recharter.
15:54:31 <laura> …don’t stop because we are afraid.
15:54:39 <Joshue108> q?
15:54:40 <laura> …need to find a balance.
15:55:34 <laura> …we can do other things. we don’t have to abandon extensions.
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15:55:48 <AWK> ack awk
15:55:48 <Zakim> AWK, you wanted to clarify decoupling further, not to decouple the ability to work with policy but to decouple timing
15:55:54 <Ryladog> +1 to david and michael
15:56:06 <laura> …we can have short-term and long -erm goals.
15:56:14 <Ryladog> I mentioned Best Pratices exactly for that purpose michael
15:56:29 <laura> s/-erm/term/
15:56:44 <Joshue108> I think that was the misunderstanding.. its not about decoupling from policy.
15:56:51 <Ryladog> I am all about withwhile work
15:56:54 <Ryladog> :-)
15:56:59 <Ryladog> yes, thanks
15:57:00 <laura> awk: don’t think we are in disagreement.
15:57:16 <Joshue108> s/withwhile/worthwhile
15:57:53 <laura> awk: we will be taking a crack at writing a new charter.
15:58:32 <laura> TOPIC: Silver
15:58:52 <laura> awk: we looked at silver at TPAC.
15:59:54 <laura>  Shawn: Presented options and structure.
16:00:17 <laura> …discussed preferences.
16:00:56 <laura> …Options on flexibility was preferred
16:01:33 <Joshue108> q?
16:01:52 <laura> Jeanne: may want to think about sending out for public comment
16:02:29 <Lauriat> q+ (Added comment of public communications)
16:02:56 <laura> …we need to start breaking it to the public but not before the charter is done.
16:03:29 <laura> …we want to start talking to people.
16:03:44 <laura> …how and when is dependent on other factors.
16:04:23 <Ryladog> q+ to unsure about this at this time
16:04:39 <laura> awk: doesn’t seem like a bad thing. But may not get much feedback.
16:05:05 <laura> jeanne: it is a way to start getting the word out.
16:05:23 <AWK> ack ry
16:05:23 <Zakim> Ryladog, you wanted to unsure about this at this time
16:05:31 <laura> …many factors to keep in mind.
16:05:58 <laura> katie: may complicate other things.
16:06:17 <laura> …needs to be done carefully.
16:06:50 <laura> josh: not against. need to work out how.
16:07:00 <SarahHorton> Hello :)
16:07:50 <laura> awk: need to chart out our plans.
16:08:22 <AWK> Zakim, agenda?
16:08:22 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
16:08:23 <Zakim> 1. TPAC debrief [from AWK]
16:08:23 <Zakim> 2. Techniques and Understanding timeline [from AWK]
16:08:23 <Zakim> 3. GitHub issues [from AWK]
16:08:24 <Zakim> 4. Silver next steps [from AWK]
16:08:55 <AWK> Zakim, take up item 2
16:08:55 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Techniques and Understanding timeline" taken up [from AWK]
16:08:57 <AWK> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Timelines
16:10:40 <laura> awk: timelines are appoaching.
16:11:43 <laura> …timeframe is in about a month and a half
16:12:06 <AWK> Zakim, take up item 3
16:12:06 <Zakim> agendum 3. "GitHub issues" taken up [from AWK]
16:12:30 <laura> awk: we have some new items.
16:12:32 <AWK> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues
16:12:39 <AWK> #236
16:12:50 <laura> …does anyone want to take a look athe these?
16:13:04 <laura> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/236
16:13:19 <laura> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/233
16:13:36 <laura> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/232
16:14:03 <laura> awk: indicate here or on Github.
16:14:43 <laura> Mo: I will take Luminance / Luma confusion #236 https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/236
16:16:50 <laura> Rachelle: I will take https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/234
16:17:41 <laura> awk: any other busuness?
16:17:55 <AWK> s/Rachelle/Rachael
16:18:07 <laura> s/busuness/business/
16:18:34 <laura> awk: okay. Thanks all.
16:18:40 <AWK> zakim, who is on the call?
16:18:40 <Zakim> Present: AWK, JF, steverep, marcjohlic, Joshue108, Mike, Elledge, GregL, KimD, jeanne, kirkwood, jon_avila, Laura, David, MacDonald, Katie_Haritos-Shea, Rachael, Lauriat, Kathy,
16:18:43 <Zakim> ... JamesNurthen, Joshue108_, mhakkinen, alastairc, Laura_Carlson, Shawn, David-macdonald, Charles_LaPierre, Avneesh_Singh, George_Kerscher, Shawn(for_part), SarahHorton,
16:18:43 <Zakim> ... Greg_Lowney, Makoto, Wilco, moekraft
16:18:58 <AWK> Trackbot, end meeting
16:18:58 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:18:58 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been AWK, JF, steverep, marcjohlic, Joshue108, Mike, Elledge, GregL, KimD, jeanne, kirkwood, jon_avila, Laura, David, MacDonald,
16:19:01 <Zakim> ... Katie_Haritos-Shea, Rachael, Lauriat, Kathy, JamesNurthen, Joshue108_, mhakkinen, alastairc, Laura_Carlson, Shawn, David-macdonald, Charles_LaPierre, Avneesh_Singh,
16:19:01 <Zakim> ... George_Kerscher, Shawn(for_part), SarahHorton, Greg_Lowney, Makoto, Wilco, moekraft
16:19:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:19:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/27-wai-wcag-minutes.html trackbot
16:19:07 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:19:07 <RRSAgent> I see no action items