07:53:32 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #eo
07:53:32 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/09/20-eo-irc
07:53:34 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
07:53:34 <Zakim> Zakim has joined #eo
07:53:36 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3694
07:53:36 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
07:53:37 <trackbot> Meeting: Education and Outreach Working Group Teleconference
07:53:37 <trackbot> Date: 20 September 2016
07:53:56 <Sharron> present +Jason White
07:54:09 <Sharron> present +Sharron
07:54:41 <Sharron> Topic: Research Questions TF
07:55:11 <Sharron> Jason: Open to both quick urgent issues and longer term considerations to communicate the to APA WG
07:55:42 <Sharron> ...EO may be ablet o coordinae to dessimante findings of RQTF
07:56:11 <Sharron> s/ablet o coordinae /able to coordinate
07:56:38 <yatil> Work Plan: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/wiki/Work_Plan
07:56:46 <Sharron> Jason: Several major topic on the WP, including authentication on the web and how to make it accessible.
07:57:08 <Sharron> ...most raise accessibility issues.
07:57:11 <Gus> Gus has joined #eo
07:57:35 <Sharron> present +Gustavo
07:58:10 <yatil> present+ Sharron, Jason_White, Gustavo, EricE
07:58:20 <yatil> s/present +Jason White/
07:58:33 <yatil> s/present +Sharron/
07:58:41 <yatil> s/present +Gustavo/
07:58:52 <yatil> zakim, who is here
07:58:52 <Zakim> yatil, you need to end that query with '?'
07:58:55 <yatil> zakim, who is here?
07:58:55 <Zakim> Present: Sharron, Jason_White, Gustavo, EricE
07:58:57 <Zakim> On IRC I see Gus, Zakim, RRSAgent, Sharron, yatil, trackbot
08:02:28 <Sharron> Jason: Authentication of great interest to us as well as other WG and TF. Third was the issue of CAPTCHA will update the previously written doc.
08:04:04 <Sharron> ...RQTF will help with that. Fial piece was the work item from previous research group was developing guidance for accessibility aware research. How to integrate accessibility into their own research projects. Write some guidance for other researchers.
08:05:14 <Sharron> ...these are current issues and ready to accept topics from other working groups and TFs who need accessibility considerations.
08:06:27 <Sharron> Sharron: Reveiw of other research, such as COGA research?
08:06:43 <Sharron> Jason: More likely to connect the work to the right reviewers.
08:07:20 <Sharron> ...connect to those with specialized cognitive knowledge.
08:22:10 <Sharron> Mark: Doing outreach for WCAG and ARIA daily. Developers, smart developers often do very dumb things in applying accessibility. Makes me wonder, what is the problem, why do developers have so much trouble understanding and applying accessibility techniques?
08:22:26 <Sharron> Sharron: Have you seen the tutorials?
08:24:49 <Sharron> Mark: Yes, and they are OK but not enough, inadequate to help developers understand where along the route they need to consider accessibility - the concept of "born accessible"
08:25:07 <mhakkinen> mhakkinen has joined #eo
08:25:52 <Sharron> https://www.w3.org/blog/wai-components-gallery/
08:26:38 <Sharron> Mark: Developing internal training materials geared toward how we need to address accessibility internal.
08:28:00 <Sharron> ...many forms tutorials are geared toward commercial kinds of form interactions. We build test and assessment questions, need more information about the user.
08:29:32 <Sharron> ...math and complex science questions have very specific requirements to ensure they can demonstrate knowledge of subject not the ability of the AT or the use of complex computer interface.
08:30:22 <richardschwerdtfeger> richardschwerdtfeger has joined #eo
08:37:10 <Sharron> Mark: have been advocating for standard implementations of common formats like multiple choice, etc faciliatate ease of use and common expectations so that they operate in the same way and the AT learner does not have to relearn each time. Have prototyped a common best practice for multiple choice that announces itself in that way with a unified keyboard behavior.
08:39:17 <yatil> present+ Markku_Häkkinen
08:41:35 <Sharron> ...one of the things important to assessment is pronunciation, ensuring that speech synthizer says words in same way as a teacher would. SSML could solve this problem, takes care of all of it if it is supported by AT vendors.
08:42:36 <Sharron> ...more recently SSML is being supported. Increasing vendor support woould be very useful.
08:43:58 <Sharron> ... would like support for exisiting standards that could help improve user experience. CSS3 spoken word module would do the same if more widely supported.
08:44:25 <Sharron> Eric: With Seri and others supporting SSML it should become easier.
08:45:50 <yatil> SSML: http://www.w3.org/TR/speech-synthesis/
08:45:56 <yatil> s/Seri/Siri
08:57:16 <Sharron> Mark: Defining the different roles and how they can contribute to accessiiblity
08:57:53 <Sharron> s/accessiiblity/accessibility
08:58:40 <Sharron> http://w3c.github.io/wai-quick-start/
09:00:58 <Sharron> Shadi: Accessibility self-assessment?
09:02:54 <Sharron> Mark: we are developing a learning tool with built in assessment cabability for developers. Write some code and use of a built in checker to assess how complete is the solution and give experience and feedback to developers trying to meet accessiiblity requirements.
09:03:16 <Sharron> s/accessiiblity/accessibility
09:10:55 <Sharron> Mark: totally commited to standards based solutions but can't always wait - for example descriptions of images
09:11:56 <Sharron> ...when back home in a week and a half will talk ot a staffer who may be interested.
09:41:53 <Sharron> Sharron has joined #eo
10:28:32 <Sharron> Sharron has joined #eo
10:45:11 <Sharron> Sharron has joined #eo
10:45:33 <Sharron> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Designing_Silver
10:52:49 <Zakim> Zakim has left #eo
12:16:35 <shawn> shawn has joined #eo
12:31:14 <Sharron> Sharron has joined #eo
12:37:03 <Brent> Brent has joined #eo
13:18:55 <shawn> ummmm
13:19:29 <shawn> I like your idea that if have specific focus easier to recruit people to do it
13:19:55 <shawn> (although intention doesn't always provide results :-)
13:21:08 <shawn> Sharron, Brent, eric, shadi -- want to get on the phone after this for a debrief?
13:24:11 <shawn> is there a phone in the EOWG room... or I guess can use webex on someone's laptop
13:25:59 <Brent> There is a phone in the EO room
13:26:51 <shawn> thanks!
13:27:51 <shawn> s/(although intention doesn't always provide results :-)/ /
13:28:04 <shawn> s/I like your idea that if have specific focus easier to recruit people to do it/ /
13:28:25 <shawn> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:28:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/20-eo-minutes.html shawn
13:29:26 <shawn> s/Sharron, Brent, eric, shadi -- want to get on the phone after this for a debrief?/ /
13:29:34 <shawn> s/is there a phone in the EOWG room... or I guess can use webex on someone's laptop//
13:29:43 <shawn> s/There is a phone in the EO room/ /
13:29:46 <shawn> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:29:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/20-eo-minutes.html shawn
13:30:04 <shawn> s/ummmm//
13:30:15 <shawn> s/thanks!//
13:30:19 <shawn> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:30:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/20-eo-minutes.html shawn
13:45:06 <Sharron> Sharron has joined #eo
14:18:05 <Brent> Brent has joined #eo
14:44:11 <shadi> shadi has joined #eo
16:56:33 <RRSAgent> RRSAgent has joined #eo
16:56:33 <RRSAgent> logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/09/20-eo-irc