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10:09:18 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
10:09:18 <trackbot> Date: 19 September 2016
10:09:26 <paulc> present+ paulc
10:10:31 <paulc> test
10:10:35 <paulc> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Sep/0094.html
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10:20:06 <paulc> zakim, who is at the meeting?
10:20:06 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, paulc.
10:20:15 <paulc> zakim, who is on the call?
10:20:15 <Zakim> Present: paulc
10:20:26 <cwilso> present: cwilso
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10:21:32 <paulc> zakim, who is on the call?
10:21:32 <Zakim> Present: cwilso, markw, cyril, ericc
10:23:08 <paulc> Topic: Joint session with Web & TV IG to discuss MSE and EME status and additional use cases
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10:23:45 <paulc> See minutes from joint meeting: http://www.w3.org/2016/09/19-webtv-minutes.html
10:24:15 <paulc> Mark's presentation is here: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-and-tv/2016Sep/att-0021/2015-09-19_WebTVIntro_v2_.pdf
10:24:42 <paulc> paulc:  We spent so much time talking about getting V1 done that we failed to look at the specific V2 use cases
10:25:31 <paulc> See additional uses cases: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Sep/0091.html
10:26:25 <paulc> Discussion of the uses cases is pending.
10:26:29 <paulc> Topic: WG Decision for MSE Proposed Recommendation
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10:27:15 <paulc> WG Decision is here: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Sep/0093.html
10:27:26 <paulc> Paul and Philippe are preparing the transition request.
10:28:58 <paulc> We expect to get an MSE Recommendation by early November and that would required a charter extension until about Nov 15.
10:29:27 <paulc> Topic: MSE Editorial issues
10:31:35 <paulc> ISSUE-159 and ISSUE-163 need to be applied before the PR transition is done.
10:32:10 <paulc> Topic: MSE Registry publication as WG notes
10:32:30 <paulc> Philippe plans to publish these WG Notes at the same time as the Proposed Recommendation
10:32:56 <paulc> Topic: MSE test suite and results
10:33:10 <paulc> We believe we have sufficient evidence to proceed to PR.
10:34:17 <paulc> Paul will check with Matt about WebIDL tests: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Sep/0052.html
10:34:43 <paulc> Topic: MSE summary
10:34:48 <paulc> Actions:
10:35:06 <paulc> 1. Paul and Philippe to generate transition request for Proposed Recommendation
10:35:23 <paulc> 2. Matt or Editors to apply editorial fixes for issue 159 and 163
10:35:43 <paulc> 3. Paul to check with Matt on on status of WebIDL tests
10:35:57 <paulc> 4. Philippe to request charter extension for MSE until about Nov 15.
10:36:39 <paulc> Topic: EME V1Editorial issues
10:36:41 <paulc> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/milestones/V1Editorial
10:37:10 <paulc> Only the registry SOTD issue is open: https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/183
10:37:36 <paulc> Topic: EME NonBlocking issues
10:38:04 <paulc> ISSUE-312: https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/312
10:38:04 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-312 .
10:38:28 <paulc> David has prepared a PR for this issue.
10:46:30 <paulc> We need the browser implementers to express their opinion on whether they support David's change to a MUST here.
10:47:50 <paulc> ISSUE-329: https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/329
10:47:50 <trackbot> Notes added to ISSUE-329 .
10:48:43 <paulc> There is an editorial pull request.  David is discussing with Philippe.
10:48:49 <paulc> David is working on PR https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/pull/330
10:49:26 <paulc> Topic: Other EME issues
10:49:35 <paulc> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/85 is awaiting interop evidence
10:50:25 <paulc> Test data is that no browser is 100% compliant.  Edge's implementation is still buggy.
10:51:16 <paulc> We do not have two implementations yet.
10:51:39 <paulc> We need to decide how to handle this at risk feature.
10:52:33 <paulc> Mark:  We need a consistent rule based on testing results and how they impact features in the spec.
10:53:00 <paulc> Polyfill test works with Edge but that is only one implementation.
10:53:37 <paulc> Topic: EME test suite
10:53:43 <paulc> Latest test results: https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/85
10:54:01 <paulc> Actually see https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Sep/0084.html
10:55:22 <paulc> Status: Test files without 2 passes: 34; Subtests without 2 passes: 53; Failure level: 53/220 (24.09%)
10:55:39 <paulc> Test files: 70; Total subtests: 220
10:59:28 <paulc> From the less than 2 results: http://w3c.github.io/test-results/encrypted-media/less-than-2.html
10:59:46 <paulc> a) We need to convert the Google tests before evaluating these failures
11:00:41 <paulc> b) Keystatus results pass on Chrome but fail on FF and Edge for different reasons
11:01:30 <paulc> Edge bug has been filed but Mark does not have a useful URL
11:01:35 <paulc> FF bug needs to be filed.
11:03:06 <paulc> c) Persistent usage and Persistent license need reviewing since we don't have two implementations
11:03:33 <paulc> Persistent is implemented in Chrome OS.  It might be in Edge and this needs to be checked.
11:03:46 <paulc> s/Persistent/Persisten license/
11:04:05 <paulc> Persistent usage record is only implemented in Edge and is not compliant.
11:05:32 <paulc> Deleting the presistent usage record and persistent license features would leave only temporary session types.
11:06:50 <paulc> d) Event sequences are not completely compliant on several browsers because they don't do what the spec says.
11:07:56 <paulc> Note also the outstanding test suite PRs: https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests/pulls?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Apr%20is%3Aopen%20label%3Aencrypted-media
11:08:47 <paulc> Topic: Additional EME testing
11:08:49 <paulc> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Sep/0089.html
11:09:36 <paulc> see Paul's list of pending/outstanding test work:
11:09:36 <paulc> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2016Sep/0092.html
11:11:19 <paulc> Mark and Stefan (from CTA WAVE project) will reply to Paul's email with a testing work plan.
11:12:12 <paulc> Topic: Formal objections on EME
11:12:14 <paulc> https://dev.w3.org/html5/status/formal-objection-status.html
11:14:56 <paulc> Topic: MSE and EME timeline and charter discussion
11:15:20 <paulc> As per above it appears that we need until about Nov 15 to get MSE to Recommendation
11:15:44 <paulc> Topic: Use of polyfill tests
11:16:20 <paulc> Jerry is working on a version of the test results that added Mark's polyfill code to fix bugs in an implementation
11:16:44 <paulc> Mark:  We need to decide how to use these kinds of test results
11:18:05 <paulc> MArk: We have some larger Javascript "patches" for entire features and if these are the only implementation then they will be harder to use
11:19:02 <paulc> We will ask Jerry to generate results that use polyfills that fix bug in browsers implementations.
11:19:28 <paulc> In addition there are some additional bugs that might be able to be fixed by additional polyfills.
11:19:55 <paulc> Mark will look into the new polyfils (when the new testing help is on board and doing other work).
11:20:19 <paulc> rrsagent, generate the minutes
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11:20:35 <paulc> Topic: MSE and EME timeline and charter discussion (2)
11:20:49 <paulc> We talked about the EME status this morning at the joint meeting.
11:21:53 <paulc> We need to engage quickly to generate a broader test suite, generate the results from the test suite, decide what feature are not intoperable, decide if we need to cut features and give Philippe a firm schedule on a Proposed Recommendation.
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11:22:08 <paulc> We are up against a deadline of our charter expiry on Sep 30.
11:22:26 <paulc> Philippe last week stated that he wanted a timetable and plan by this week.
11:34:56 <paulc> rrsagent, generate the minutes
11:34:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/19-html-media-minutes.html paulc
11:37:30 <paulc> Attendance at meeting:
11:37:40 <paulc> Paul Cotton, Microsoft (Chair)
11:37:47 <paulc> Chris Wilson, Google
11:38:03 <paulc> Cyril Concolato, Telecom Paris Tech
11:38:16 <paulc> Satoshi Nishimura, NHK
11:38:26 <paulc> Kazuhiro Hoya, JBA
11:38:32 <paulc> Eric Carlson, Apple
11:38:38 <paulc> Mark Watson, Netflix
11:38:47 <paulc> Gary Kacmarcik, Google
11:38:56 <paulc> Mike Assenti, Dolby
11:39:04 <paulc> rrsagent, generate the minutes
11:39:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/19-html-media-minutes.html paulc
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