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11:11:41 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
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11:11:42 <trackbot> Meeting: Permissions and Obligations Expression Working Group Teleconference
11:11:42 <trackbot> Date: 12 September 2016
11:12:07 <ivan> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160912
11:12:21 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Agenda for 2016-09-12: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160912
11:12:31 <ivan>  Chair: Renato
11:13:05 <ivan> Regrets: Phil, Serena, Michael
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12:02:24 <benws111117> Could someone please post the meeting link!
12:02:40 <renato> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m26bd8696de908ff6bd04482e85fa34e7
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12:03:04 <renato> https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160912
12:03:40 <benws111117> Thanks!
12:03:56 <CarolineB> present+ CarolineB
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12:04:25 <renato> present+ renato
12:04:43 <renato> Regrets: Serena, Phil, Michael, Victor
12:06:39 <renato> Chair: Renato
12:07:14 <ivan> Regrets+ Victor
12:07:20 <Brian_Ulicny> present+
12:07:25 <renato> Approve: https://www.w3.org/2016/09/05-poe-minutes
12:07:43 <benws111117> present+
12:08:24 <renato> UC.05 http://w3c.github.io/poe/ucr/#audienceId
12:08:50 <Brian_Ulicny> Two use cases we haven't discussed: #5 from UCI.  From Mo.
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12:09:06 <smyles> present+
12:09:08 <Brian_Ulicny> Something about the parties who are the recipients of the content.
12:09:26 <Brian_Ulicny> "Any thoughts?"
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12:09:46 <Brian_Ulicny> "Will leave for the F2F/TPAC"
12:10:07 <Brian_Ulicny> "welcome, Sabrina"
12:10:14 <Sabrina> present+ sabrina
12:10:16 <Brian_Ulicny> "use case #25 is new this week"
12:10:19 <renato> UC.05 https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Use_Cases#Magazine_Media_Permissions
12:10:34 <renato> UC.25
12:12:36 <renato> UC.05 -> related to parties (group membership etc) - part of previous requirements discussions
12:13:04 <Brian_Ulicny> ben: "there is hope that there is an ontology out there that defines group membership, not us"
12:13:57 <Brian_Ulicny> "UC.25 comes from PRISM specification, another standards group"
12:14:09 <Brian_Ulicny> "related to permissions for magazine media"
12:14:53 <Brian_Ulicny> "constraints on time, geography, channel, ... photo rights characteristics"
12:15:08 <Brian_Ulicny> "example given: an odrl-like set of statements"
12:15:22 <Brian_Ulicny> "embargo dates.  expression dates"
12:16:00 <Brian_Ulicny> "there is a purpose constraint, which is supportable"
12:16:38 <Brian_Ulicny> "has a policy bundle: duties expressed against all of the permissions in that bundle"
12:17:34 <Brian_Ulicny> "publishers want to e.g. publish video to their mobile app"
12:17:52 <Brian_Ulicny> "concept of the use bundle: all the ways you want to use the content could be bundled together"
12:18:30 <Brian_Ulicny> "could this be handled by the notion of a set?"
12:19:15 <Sabrina> q+
12:19:20 <Brian_Ulicny> renato: "set was designed for this"
12:19:47 <smyles> q+
12:20:46 <Brian_Ulicny> sabrina: "my preference would be to have a set of assets/uses rather than sets of policies"
12:21:16 <Brian_Ulicny> sabrina: "this allows for greater flexibility"
12:21:17 <renato> Support
12:21:26 <renato> ..sets for reuse
12:22:13 <Brian_Ulicny> stuart: "the PRISM people don't like the XML syntax"
12:22:30 <Brian_Ulicny> renato: "no one likes xml anymore"
12:22:35 <Sabrina> q+
12:22:44 <smyles> q-
12:23:28 <Brian_Ulicny> sabrina: "using ODRL to model the new privacy regulation.  This is where we need bundling.  Shows where ODRL works well and where it needs to be changed."
12:23:39 <Brian_Ulicny> sabrina: "should I write it up?"
12:23:55 <Brian_Ulicny> renato: "never too late.  please feel free to add"
12:24:01 <smyles> q+
12:25:08 <Brian_Ulicny> stuart: "the bisg book standardization group has been preparing a use case to submit on books and parts of books.   In next week or so."
12:25:48 <benws111117> q+
12:25:53 <Brian_Ulicny> renato: "for UC.25, we seem to be on track to resolve with other requirements"
12:26:00 <Sabrina> q-
12:26:08 <smyles> q-
12:26:31 <Brian_Ulicny> ben: "this issue of providing purposes is one that comes up repeatedly.  Not our business to provide purposes"
12:26:39 <Brian_Ulicny> "should we?"
12:26:44 <Brian_Ulicny> q+
12:27:03 <Brian_Ulicny> renato: "we can think about it"
12:27:15 <benws111117> q-
12:27:51 <renato> https://www.w3.org/community/ld4lt/wiki/Examples
12:28:11 <Brian_Ulicny> brian: "why not just accommodate purposes as free text-like comment?"
12:28:27 <Brian_Ulicny> renato: "we do have purpose constraints"
12:28:44 <Brian_Ulicny> "not enforceable from a computational point of view"
12:28:52 <Brian_Ulicny> "purpose of education, e.g."
12:29:25 <Brian_Ulicny> renato: "let's wait for proposal"
12:29:38 <Brian_Ulicny> renato: "any other comments on UC.25?"
12:29:56 <Brian_Ulicny> q+
12:30:51 <Brian_Ulicny> brian: "was UC.23 ever discussed"
12:30:59 <Brian_Ulicny> ben: "yes, discussed last week."
12:31:17 <renato> Wiki requirements: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Requirements
12:31:19 <Brian_Ulicny> uc.23 = deletions must be propagated
12:33:03 <Brian_Ulicny> renato: "Long list of wiki requirements.  too long to go over now."
12:33:19 <Brian_Ulicny> r: "part of requirements process"
12:33:55 <Brian_Ulicny> renato: "if you have comments, add them to the wiki in advance of the f2f"
12:34:04 <Brian_Ulicny> "especially if you can't make it next week"
12:34:50 <smyles> https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Use_Cases
12:35:00 <Brian_Ulicny> stuart: "the table of contents of the wiki use cases page needs to be update"
12:35:06 <Brian_Ulicny> *updated
12:35:51 <Brian_Ulicny> stuart: "confusing because some of the use cases don't have numbers but they do in the ToC"
12:36:47 <Brian_Ulicny> renato: "any other qs or comments?"
12:36:57 <Brian_Ulicny> renato: "logistics"
12:37:29 <Brian_Ulicny> renato: "agenda has been updated for f2f"
12:37:43 <Brian_Ulicny> "more detail added"
12:37:47 <renato> TPAC Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:TPAC2016
12:38:32 <Brian_Ulicny> renato: "in afternoon, we will look at some of the other working group items"
12:38:41 <Brian_Ulicny> "e.g. formal semantics group"
12:39:28 <Brian_Ulicny> renato: "probably the best thing we'll do in friday will be to create a lot of github issues that we can track back to requirements"
12:40:12 <Brian_Ulicny> renato: "qs about tpac?"
12:40:26 <renato> https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Attending_F2F1
12:40:31 <Brian_Ulicny> renato: "lot of observers coming as well"
12:41:05 <Brian_Ulicny> ben: "a privacy person coming.  interesting for you, sabrina"
12:41:24 <Brian_Ulicny> renato: "what about bob bailey, from tr?"
12:42:00 <Brian_Ulicny> ben: "he's my boss.  block chain person coming, too.  re: Ethereum smart policies"
12:42:32 <Brian_Ulicny> renato: "we'll do a summary of the two days at 5ish on Friday"
12:43:07 <Brian_Ulicny> renato: "other business?"
12:43:25 <Brian_Ulicny> "none. ok, thanks."
12:43:41 <Brian_Ulicny> "no regular telecoms for a few weeks"
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12:44:26 <renato> RRSAgent, make logs public
12:44:35 <renato> RRSAgent, draft minutes
12:44:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/12-poe-minutes.html renato
12:54:10 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
12:54:10 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
12:54:10 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been CarolineB, renato, Brian_Ulicny, benws, smyles, sabrina
12:54:18 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
12:54:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/12-poe-minutes.html trackbot
12:54:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
12:54:19 <RRSAgent> I see no action items