IRC log of dpub on 2016-09-12

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Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
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Date: 12 September 2016
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Chair: Tzviya
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present+ Avneesh
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present+ Heather_Flanagan
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present+ Tzviya
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present+ George
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agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2016Sep/0012.html
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present+ Chris_Maden
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Present+
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present+ duga
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Present+ BorisAnthony
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Present+ Benjamin_Young
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present+
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present+ dauwhe
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present+ garth
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Present+ Ben_De_Meester
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Present+ Liam_Quin
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scribenick: dauwhe
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present+ Deborah_Kaplan
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all: daisy format scribing would be awesome
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ivan: brings reality crashing down on our heads
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present+ Bill_Kasdorf
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We’ve all agreed to be recorded; check the WebEx terms of use.
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George: you get a complete navigable document!
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ivan: we've thought about a recording on the 2nd session after lunch on Tuesday
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tzviya: we can work it out (beatles music playing in the background)
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https://www.w3.org/2016/08/22-dpub-minutes.html
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... let's look at the minutes
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ivan: they were perfect
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tzviya: we talked about Markus leaving, which makes us all infinitely sad
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... minutes approved.
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https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Sep_2016_F2F_Logistics_and_Details#Agenda
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Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/4ce0468d63c243248b244f93ca570a0a@AUS-WNMBP-005-n.wiley.com
15:05:55 [dauwhe]
... topic: agenda for TPAC
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... some meetings require a detailed agenda
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https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Detailed_TPAC_2016_Agenda
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... you might find your name in the agenda, with a request for more detail
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Topic: TPAC Agenda
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... we have a meeting with WCAG
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present+ Karen
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tzviya: we could talk about the note charles and deborah put together
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... the work on the automated checker, the work EPUB is doing
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present+
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... we have an hour or so
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Present+
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present+ Peter Krautzberger
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... if other people have specific things, talk to Avneesh
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Avneesh: we want to talk about starting points. An hour will be fine.
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ivan: we have fifteen minutes doing nothing
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tzviya: the morning meetings can run over
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present+ Luc
15:08:50 [astearns]
astearns has changed the topic to: 2016/09/12 agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2016Sep/0012.html
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tzviya: the next detailed agenda is the meeting with the CSS Working Group
15:09:39 [dauwhe]
... we might want to narrow the scope
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... most important topic is how to successfully collaborate
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... we have some new members with experience in this area
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... please contribute to the agenda!
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(crickets)
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brady_duga: Dave sent me an email. For me the important thing is Houdini
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q?
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q+
15:12:03 [dauwhe]
dauwhe: I mentioned houdini quite a bit :)
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tzviya: CSSWG wants proof of concept
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ack iv
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ivan: I'm looking at CSS list
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... many of these are related to Houdini work
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... the one that seems to be separate is the media queries for MathML question
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... alan, is this worth discussing?
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tzviya: the question of media queries is an important one, also relates to ARIA
15:14:04 [dauwhe]
... using MQ for extended descriptions
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... perhaps we could talk about the extensibility of MQs
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astearns: that might be promising
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... both MQ issues could be wrapped up into one
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... where we talk about new approaches to MQs
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... but knowing the interested players and who to bring into the discussions would be helpful
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q?
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tzviya: any other thoughts for css
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ivan: what about FO?
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present+
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various: we can have a very short conversation avoiding tech details
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tzviya: someone added something about the pwp draft
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ivan: that was me
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tzviya: there were some tracker issues
15:19:28 [ivan]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/dpub-pwp/sync-with-ucr/index.html
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ivan: I began to do a bunch of work on a new version
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... it's in a separate branch right now
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tzviya: the other session is "towards a working group"
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... as y'all know, there's talk of an idpf+w3c merger
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... there will probably be news early next week
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garth: I'm the noisy one; I did some updates to that document
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... I used the word "combination"
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... whoever put the testing thing in there, reveal thyself and lead the discussion!~
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tzviya: I'm not sure I see all your changes
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garth: refresh the wiki page
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tzviya: this group or some variation of this group will become a working group; the question is next steps
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... there's a testing discussion
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... feel free to add things to the wiki
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ivan: some IDPF board folks will be at that meeting, and some from the strategic discussion at w3c
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... emphasis should be on long-term where we want to go
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tzviya: ralph and wendy will be there
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... and most of the IDPF board will be there
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... there's the thursday pub community meeting
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... on friday I'm presenting to POE
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... ARIA on thursday and friday
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ivan: brace yourselves; you will be exhausted at the end of the week
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q?
15:25:49 [dauwhe]
ivan: the wednesday is big madness day
15:25:59 [tzviya]
https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2016/SessionIdeas#Positive_Work_Environment_Task_Force
15:26:09 [dauwhe]
... after a short morning intro, all kinds of sessions are proposed
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"big madness" = unconference
15:26:18 [tzviya]
https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2016
15:27:08 [dauwhe]
tzviya: there are lots of proposed sessions; Dave and I proposed one about manifests and publishing
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... lots of interesting proposals already
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https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2016/FAQ for more details on how Wednesday is organized
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... there will be one about annotations and ???
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... and there will be one on Music and MusicML
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s/???/ASF
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tzviya: do people want to call in for TPAC?
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s/ASF/ASF (the Apache Software Foundation)
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deborah: I would like to call in
15:28:25 [david_stroup]
Yes
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ivan: it would be good to have more names, so I know if I have to set up US times only
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tzviya: EPUB31 has been published as a public draft, wiht a formal call for review
15:30:02 [tzviya]
http://idpf.org/news/call-for-review-public-draft-of-epub-31
15:30:02 [dauwhe]
... this similar to ... something.
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... y'all can log issues in github
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... there are hundreds of issues on Github, being dealt with by the saintly Matt Garrish
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... housekeeping
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ivan: we did not talk about UCR
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tzviya: I skipped the most important thing on the agenda
15:31:46 [dauwhe]
... heather, can you update us on UCR?
15:32:07 [HeatherF]
http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp-ucr/
15:32:20 [dauwhe]
HeatherF: go to github.io link, you'll see an edited version from last week
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... section numbers etc did change
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... there are 22 things I need to put in as issues
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... some things don't come across as either requirements or use cases, so need work
15:33:32 [dauwhe]
... I hope to get them into github issues, but I was making jam.
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... fruit waits for no one.
15:33:48 [Karen]
+1 jam making :)
15:33:56 [ivan]
+1
15:33:57 [dauwhe]
... feedback welcome
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q+
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ack iv
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ivan: huge +1 to Heather, it's been improved a lot!
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... section headers and descriptions are now separated
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... I have the green light from the web master who have checked the doc
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... official publication will happen tomorrow during the euroday
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tzviya: heather made some phenomenol major changes
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... the fundamental use cases are broken into two sections, author+reader and implementation
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... we can work through some of the issues at tpac
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HeatherF: if someone wants to do a diff, it probably won't work
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ivan: there is an html output diff program, but the changes are probably too much
15:38:10 [dauwhe]
HeatherF: I think this is a perfectly good FPWD
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tzviya: thank you Heather!
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tzviya: comments? concerns?
15:38:51 [garth]
EPUB 3.1 Public Review link at "http://idpf.org/news/call-for-review-public-draft-of-epub-31" seems okay to me.
15:39:05 [dauwhe]
tzviya: file issues. and let's get the word to the street that this is being published!
15:39:14 [dauwhe]
ivan: write a blog if you want!
15:39:36 [dauwhe]
tzviya: there's a link to epub that doesn't work
15:39:42 [dauwhe]
ivan: issue, please.
15:39:43 [tzviya]
q?
15:39:53 [dauwhe]
tzviya: I have an announcement
15:40:08 [PeterK]
congratulations!
15:40:08 [Karen]
Congratulations, Tzviya!
15:40:11 [david_stroup]
Congrats!!
15:40:24 [garth]
Strange that Tzviya announcement in the "housekeeping" item.
15:40:28 [garth]
But congratuations!
15:40:28 [HeatherF]
Yay! Go, team Tzviya!
15:40:30 [boris_anthony]
congrats!
15:40:40 [Karen]
:)
15:40:42 [PeterK]
and together they shall rule the galaxy.
15:40:46 [HeatherF]
STart 'em young!
15:41:19 [boris_anthony]
o/
15:41:20 [dauwhe]
tzviya: we'll see many of you next week
15:41:20 [PeterK]
bye!
15:41:26 [HeatherF]
Safe travels, for all who are traveling!
15:42:33 [astearns]
On the topic of diffing editorial changes - using semantic line feeds consistently helps *a lot*
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http://rhodesmill.org/brandon/2012/one-sentence-per-line/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/12-dpub-minutes.html ivan
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