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19:59:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be CRYPT
19:59:52 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
19:59:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Cryptography Working Group Teleconference
19:59:53 <trackbot> Date: 12 September 2016
19:59:56 <markw> present+ markw
20:01:38 <hhalpin> present+ hhalpin
20:02:06 <hhalpin> present+ engelke
20:02:27 <virginie> virginie has joined #crypto
20:02:29 <hhalpin> I think virginie is coming, we can wait the usual obligatory 5 minutes, otherwise I can stand in as replacement chair.
20:02:37 <hhalpin> Or I can scribe :)
20:02:40 <hhalpin> chair: virginie
20:02:46 <hhalpin> scribe: hhalpin
20:04:07 <hhalpin> no worries virginie, I can chair if you can't make it.
20:04:11 <virginie> asling/asking
20:04:23 <hhalpin> 1-617-324-0000 Access Code: 643 244 026
20:05:32 <virginie> present+ virginie
20:06:25 <virginie> zakim, who is on the phone
20:06:25 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', virginie
20:06:41 <hhalpin> topic: Welcome
20:07:10 <hhalpin> MarkW, Engelke, Joanne
20:07:29 <hhalpin> hhalpin: It seems the browser vendors didn't make this call.
20:07:44 <hhalpin> ... would be good to have them for final PR move
20:08:17 <hhalpin> virginie: MarkW is here, so let's go over the remaining bugs
20:08:19 <markw> https://github.com/w3c/webcrypto/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue%20is%3Aopen%20-milestone%3AVNext%20-label%3A%22needs%20review%22%20-label%3A%22final%20review%22
20:08:27 <hhalpin> topic: Remaining bugs
20:10:01 <wseltzer> regrets+ wseltzer
20:10:16 <hhalpin> hhalpin: I'll update the algorithm update
20:10:37 <hhalpin> ... might be a good idea to link test-suite to final Rec so people can check on it - easier to update test-suite than Rec
20:10:44 <hhalpin> markw: Key format interop bug, is under discussion
20:11:56 <hhalpin> markw: the CfC will be resolved tomorrow, will check it in tomorrow
20:12:05 <hhalpin> markw: Explicit salts to be added by HKDF
20:12:13 <hhalpin> ... under debate, optional?
20:12:22 <hhalpin> ... open question
20:12:32 <hhalpin> q+
20:12:55 <hhalpin> MarkW: jimsch thinks its a bad idea for optional.
20:13:06 <hhalpin> q- hhalpin
20:13:15 <hhalpin> hhalpin: Do vendors require salts?
20:13:30 <hhalpin> engelke: Let me look through the test-suite, I think it all worked
20:13:40 <hhalpin> ... was supported by chrome, not by Firefox
20:13:43 <hhalpin> .... will drop it into an email
20:13:54 <hhalpin> ... and will comment on the bug
20:15:05 <hhalpin> Virginie: Does this require a CfC?
20:15:09 <hhalpin> markw: I don't think so
20:15:17 <hhalpin> hhalpin: We'll track it to browser behavior
20:17:41 <hhalpin> I'll double-check with IANA over registrations and CFRG
20:19:10 <hhalpin> It seems Jim's concerns are dealt with EC curves
20:19:29 <hhalpin> markw: It seems that ryan wanted to keep Promise<any> not to contrain future development
20:19:50 <hhalpin> ... note it doesn't effect implementation
20:20:39 <hhalpin> ... it just needs to be done by WebIDL
20:20:56 <hhalpin> virginie: Last CfC over key material formats
20:21:06 <markw> https://github.com/w3c/webcrypto/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aissue%20is%3Aopen%20-milestone%3AVNext%20label%3A%22needs%20review%22%20
20:21:09 <hhalpin> markw: I have another list
20:23:21 <hhalpin> engelke: The salt *is* required, that's how the browsers work now, and if they don't get it they throw an error
20:23:29 <hhalpin> markw: OK, can close this issue
20:24:22 <hhalpin> virginie: Thank you very much!
20:26:19 <hhalpin> I would have a meeting in two weeks, and put forward the CfC for key material now
20:26:40 <hhalpin> and then put forward a CfC for PR as soon as that's closed
20:27:08 <hhalpin> markw: Two things came to mind
20:27:19 <hhalpin> ... unwrapping non-extractable key?
20:27:37 <hhalpin> ... you can't wrap a non-unwrappable key
20:27:50 <hhalpin> ... but you can UNWRAP one of these if it was created somewhere else
20:28:05 <hhalpin> engelke: These tests the conditions all succeed ones, not failure modes
20:28:16 <hhalpin> ... and I'd need a source for that key
20:28:25 <hhalpin> markw: I'll see if I can find a sample key for a test
20:29:10 <hhalpin> virginie: the decision to make it a Note did succeed
20:29:33 <hhalpin> hhalpin: If you want to do any editorial changes, let's do it
20:29:52 <hhalpin> ... we can have it clear
20:30:09 <hhalpin> ... there is a separate Working Group Note
20:30:19 <hhalpin> ... format, so let's have it go to Note at the same time WebCrypto goes to PR
20:30:46 <hhalpin> virginie: I'll send out minutes and we're doing
20:30:54 <hhalpin> ... Tuesday lunch at TPAC if people are around
20:31:23 <hhalpin> ... thanks everyone!
20:31:31 <hhalpin> trackbot, end meeting
20:31:31 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
20:31:31 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been wseltzer, virginie, Tim, Rob, hhalpin, vgb, markw, engelke
20:31:39 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
20:31:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/12-crypto-minutes.html trackbot
20:31:40 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
20:31:40 <RRSAgent> I see no action items