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12:58:42 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
12:58:42 <trackbot> Date: 07 September 2016
12:59:22 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Sep/0002
12:59:29 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Sep/0002
12:59:35 <Steven> Chair: Steven
12:59:39 <Steven> Regrets: Nick
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13:03:28 <Steven> Present: Steven, Alain, Philip, Erik
13:04:14 <Steven> Topic: Errors vs. exceptions
13:04:14 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Sep/0000.html
13:05:05 <Steven> Steven: So you think we should call everything -error?
13:05:33 <Steven> Erik: Yes
13:05:35 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#Events_Overview
13:06:41 <Steven> Erik: There is little backward-compatibility problem, since you can't do anything with them.
13:08:36 <Steven> Steven: You can't keep them both since you would then have to catch both
13:09:43 <Steven> Erik: As far as naming is concerned, I see no reason to mark the fatal ones specially.
13:10:01 <Steven> ... and I like the shorter names
13:11:41 <Steven> ... On one hand we have the events that come from the old exceptions like xforms-expression-error
13:12:00 <Steven> .... where we stopped processing by default, but now we allow for recovery.
13:12:34 <Steven> ... to allow for more robust applications
13:13:16 <Steven> Erik: Not sure if the default should be fatal.
13:14:18 <Steven> Steven: I think if we changed that, forms would be less robust.
13:14:49 <Steven> ... at least the author can catch it and do something sensible.
13:15:35 <Steven> Steven: In summary, the spec is nw as we want it, and therefore there are no actions arising from this decision
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13:17:43 <Steven> Steven In the events overview
13:17:44 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#Events_Overview
13:18:07 <Steven> Steven: I have added links to the events, and will change the Yesses and Noes to something more readable.
13:18:35 <Steven> Topic: Action-1430 - Repeat with automatic controls
13:18:35 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Sep/0001.html
13:23:09 <Steven> Erik: You always want more with repeat
13:23:16 <ebruchez> http://doc.orbeon.com/form-runner/component/grid.html
13:23:22 <Steven> ... is the current set useful enough?
13:23:35 <Steven> ... We do this with a higher-level construct
13:24:21 <Steven> ... we can specify extra constraints
13:25:23 <Steven> ... what we do in any case should be future-prroof.
13:27:33 <Steven> Steven: I think the proposed use cases are the basic simple ones that would make the user's life easier
13:27:48 <Steven> Erik: Limit to number of items is a use case, and templating
13:28:08 <Steven> ... where would you get the fragment of XML that you would add?
13:28:50 <Steven> Steven: XForms 1's method was horrible
13:29:01 <Steven> Erik: 'origin' was a poor choice of name
13:29:30 <Steven> ... we have a template atttribute called 'origin', though 'template' makes it clearer
13:30:12 <Steven> Steven: So you would like an attribute thatt in the case of inserts states where the template comes from.
13:30:17 <Steven> Erik: Exactly
13:30:27 <Steven> Steven: Ok, I'll work on that.
13:30:46 <Steven> ... we can discuss further in the email, and I will work on it further.
13:31:31 <Steven> Topic: AOB
13:31:39 <Steven> Steven: Please read section 9, and comment.
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