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21:02:52 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
21:02:52 <trackbot> Date: 07 September 2016
21:02:54 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
21:02:59 <jongund> chair: jongund
21:03:45 <fesch> present+ fesch
21:04:12 <jongund> meeting: ARIA Testing
21:04:28 <jongund> rrsagent, make logs world
21:05:12 <jongund> present+ jongund
21:06:16 <jongund> scribe: jongund
21:07:36 <jongund> FE: Update on script
21:09:15 <jongund> https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements_JSON
21:10:04 <jongund> JG: Sent an e-mail the deque people about creating test cases
21:10:22 <jongund> JG: Hopefully hear back from them soon
21:10:37 <ShaneM> oops - I assumed we werent meeting 'cause of cynthia.  brt
21:10:58 <jongund> Are you coming Shane
21:11:27 <jongund> JG: What do got shane?
21:11:38 <jongund> SC: I sent out some e-mails with links
21:11:49 <jongund> SC: We could talk through the concepts
21:11:57 <jongund> JD: I would love too
21:12:02 <ShaneM> https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Automated_Testing#Proposed_Architecture
21:12:14 <jongund> SC: What I am thinking was documented a while back, I have added additional informatino
21:12:46 <jongund> JD: I remember from the previous meeting a shim, the hareness is making a series of sockets
21:13:41 <jongund> JD: There would be one generic socket..., accessible socket, figure out what Shim is being used, send dictionary to shim
21:13:53 <jongund> JD: It would return pass/fail
21:14:21 <jongund> SC: You can't assume the shim will have access to the accessibility information
21:14:56 <ShaneM> The local ATTA is an "Assistive Technology Test Adapter"
21:15:04 <jongund> SC: I have named the shim "Assistive Technology Test Adapter "
21:15:35 <jongund> SC: Last week stanley said they could add a accessibility server...
21:15:58 <jongund> SC: I have been writing the code to talk to the ATTA
21:16:24 <jongund> SC: The proposal is that the test window, that child window including HTML and JSON strucuture
21:16:51 <jongund> SC: That window connects to local ATTA, sending a start command with some info
21:17:34 <jongund> SC: The ATTA can find the right window and then say I am ready, it can then evaluate a set of things, so that more specific failure information
21:17:59 <jongund> JD: If what you send a dictionary,why not send a dictionary back
21:18:19 <jongund> SC: We may want to do some interactive stuff
21:18:45 <jongund> JD: I was thinking about the work done to find things
21:19:09 <jongund> SC: That's why we have the start command
21:19:26 <jongund> SC: Then when it is done it cycles to the next test
21:20:05 <jongund> SC: I have almost finished with the WPT script and then I will build a test ATTA to test my scripts
21:20:17 <jongund> JG: Sounds great!
21:21:09 <jongund> JD: As soon get something I can build the ATTA for ATK
21:21:38 <jongund> SC: It is a RESTFUL ATTA commands
21:21:43 <ShaneM> https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Automated_Testing#ATTA_Commands
21:22:18 <jongund> SC: Reviewing the API
21:26:04 <jongund> SC: I will put in port information
21:26:37 <jongund> FE: Ports under 1024 are reserved
21:28:06 <fesch> s/Por/Many por/
21:28:31 <jongund> SC: I will send a link to the repo
21:29:14 <jongund> JG: What happens if it doesn't hear?
21:29:25 <jongund> SC: It will require a manual test
21:29:46 <joanie> q+
21:31:25 <jongund> JG: You may also want to make "NOTRUN" also resort to a manual test
21:31:36 <ShaneM> https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements#cell
21:31:47 <jongund> SC: Talking about an an example of reviewing a cell
21:32:27 <jongund> SC: There are three items in AXAPI to test
21:33:40 <jongund> SC: If the ATTA says it can't do it then we should go into manual testing mode
21:33:57 <jongund> SC: We should have a special result called ERROR
21:34:52 <jongund> JD: Depending on which testable statement, there will want to test for the absence of something
21:35:08 <jongund> JD: We need to be able to check for the absence of stuff
21:35:15 <jongund> SC: Thank you JD for that
21:35:25 <jongund> SC: How do we represent that?
21:35:53 <jongund> FE: We have taken some stuff, we have put in NOT
21:37:06 <jongund> JD: I don't know the exact way, the state of a name value, the absolute must not be there
21:37:29 <jongund> JD: We need to specify the property and what must be there and not be there
21:39:10 <fesch> https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements_JSON
21:42:14 <jongund> Reviewing ATK accessibility API
21:42:20 <ShaneM> https://www.w3.org/wiki/ARIA_1.1_Testable_Statements#aria-busy.3D.22true.22_on_a_listbox_Rich_Start
21:43:51 <jongund> JD: You would have to programmatically change the selection and false should be returned
21:48:51 <ShaneM> +1 to what joanie is saying
21:50:18 <joanie> ShaneM: property
21:50:43 <joanie> ShaneM: property (role, state, interface), value (ROLE_CHECKBOX)
21:51:40 <joanie> has_state, lacks_state
21:51:54 <joanie> state_contains, state_lacks
21:52:42 <ShaneM> when something is not present it is "undefined"
21:53:12 <ShaneM> state | state_system_checked | undefined
21:53:47 <ShaneM> role | role_sytem_checkbutton _ true
21:58:11 <ShaneM> FWIW this is EXACTLY why I didn't want the ATTA to do the checking
22:00:25 <jongund> JG: We will meet next week
22:00:48 <jongund> rrsagent, make minutes
22:00:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/07-aria-test-minutes.html jongund