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11:50:23 <trackbot> Meeting: Permissions and Obligations Expression Working Group Teleconference
11:50:23 <trackbot> Date: 05 September 2016
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12:04:45 <victor> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160905
12:05:18 <ivan> scribenick: CarolineB
12:05:27 <ivan> scribe Carline
12:05:35 <phila> scribe: CarolineB
12:05:35 <ivan> scribe: Caroline
12:05:39 <phila> scribeNick: CarolineB
12:05:49 <renato> Approve: https://www.w3.org/2016/08/29-poe-minutes
12:06:07 <benws116> Hmmm - when I try to join the webex I get: The meeting has been cancelled or ended!
12:06:19 <phila> s/Approve:/Proposed to approve last week's minutes /
12:06:20 <benws116> Is there something I missed while away?
12:06:34 <renato> Click on the webex link here:
12:06:36 <renato> https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160905
12:06:57 <CarolineB> last weeks minutes approved
12:07:01 <phila> Topic: Use Cases
12:07:41 <CarolineB> Topic: UC17
12:07:43 <benws116> Many thanks
12:07:45 <renato> UC.17 http://w3c.github.io/poe/ucr/#assetInSet
12:08:58 <CarolineB> UC 17 concerns groups of assets that are all subject to the same offer
12:09:32 <CarolineB> ... wants to link offer to the set with contstraint saying "applies to 1"
12:10:07 <CarolineB> james: offer would point to set rather than single assets
12:10:20 <benws116> q+
12:10:24 <CarolineB> ... and you'd choose one
12:10:30 <phila> q+ to talk about https://www.w3.org/TR/powder-grouping/
12:11:33 <phila> ack b
12:12:23 <CarolineB> benws116: TR shares this one. Can we borrow terminology from elsewhere?
12:13:11 <victor> The requirement derived from UC17 is also supported by one of the five requirements from UC1, which claims the same. The idea of saying "this policy applies to EACH of the assets in this group" is equivalent to the semantics of the Group, where an equivalent idea is convey ("each party in this group is an assignee")
12:13:36 <CarolineB> phila: is leaving in 15mins. puffs up powder but nobody uses it
12:14:31 <phila> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/powder-grouping/ POWDER Grouping
12:14:38 <CarolineB> ... but it provides good mechainism for grouping things and listing exceptions. Its based on idetnifier patterns
12:16:16 <CarolineB> renato: yes this ties to UC1 as victor says and there is a definite need
12:16:32 <phila> present+ phila
12:16:47 <benws116> present+ benws
12:17:20 <renato> US.22 https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Use_Cases#Deletions_Must_be_Propagated
12:17:36 <renato> UC.22
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12:17:46 <CarolineB> Topic: UC.22
12:18:02 <james_> .. apologies, my connection is a bit flakey
12:18:53 <CarolineB> benws116: its where changes in master set must be reflected in related data
12:19:03 <CarolineB> renato: its a duty then? yes
12:19:18 <Serena> q?
12:19:27 <phila> q-
12:19:58 <CarolineB> benws116: re personal data - this will be needed in EU from 2018
12:20:25 <renato> UC.23 https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Use_Cases#Synchronization_in_a_multilayer_music_description_environment
12:20:46 <CarolineB> Topic: UC.23
12:22:02 <CarolineB> renato: relates to packaging up music and score etc together. Needs a new action around permission and prohibition around sync. Its about coleections of resources and being able to refer to ndividuals
12:22:11 <CarolineB> ... or individuals that is
12:22:55 <CarolineB> ... when play audio and there are graphical notes, to follow notes- keep music and notes synched
12:24:33 <CarolineB> benws116: can we all think about other examples of sync in this way?
12:25:11 <victor> Within the Media Value Chain Ontology (ISO/IEC 21000:19), we also defined Synchronization as a first class action that was needed.
12:26:04 <victor> NON official spec http://dmag.ac.upc.edu/ontologies/mvco/
12:26:11 <CarolineB> victor: for mpeg21 is was one of the main actions along with "distribute" etc
12:27:15 <CarolineB> renato: next week 12th is last call before F2F lets finish off the current use cases
12:28:39 <michaelS> https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Requirements
12:28:43 <CarolineB> renato: we need to prep use cases for discussion at F2F. By putting requirements on a wiki?
12:29:10 <CarolineB> benws116: happy to work on this
12:29:59 <CarolineB> michaelS: some reqs have open issues. will I filter these out? yes
12:31:05 <CarolineB> michaelS: asks question about style. Would we propose solution? Not yet
12:32:36 <CarolineB> victor: will original ODRL requirements be in the list?
12:33:14 <CarolineB> renato: not those that are already in 2.1. just starting from the base line and moving forward from there
12:33:37 <renato> https://www.w3.org/2012/09/odrl/archive/odrl.net/2.0/WD-v2req-20050213.html
12:34:28 <CarolineB> Topic: Admin
12:35:05 <CarolineB> Serena: Done action 19 this morning
12:35:40 <renato> https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/track/issues/raised
12:36:13 <CarolineB> renato: we still need to talk about ODRL profiles
12:37:00 <CarolineB> ... issue 8. heading towards this: from UCR document the group will decide whcih will be accepted and implemented
12:37:40 <CarolineB> ...... issue 9. potential note about best practice
12:37:46 <CarolineB> TOpic: AOB
12:40:58 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
12:40:58 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
12:40:58 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Serena, michaelS, renato, victor, james, Ivan, phila, benws
12:41:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
12:41:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/05-poe-minutes.html trackbot
12:41:07 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
12:41:07 <RRSAgent> I see no action items