IRC log of i18n on 2016-09-01
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- trackbot, prepare teleconference
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- Zakim, this will be 4186
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- ok, trackbot
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- Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 01 September 2016
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- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Aug/0023.html
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- Chair: Addison Phillips
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- ScribeNick: aphillips
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- Scribe: Addison Phillips
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- Regrets+ Francesco
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- Regrets+ Felix
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- agenda+ Agenda
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- agenda+ Action Items
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- agenda+ Info Share
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- agenda+ RADAR and Active Work Review
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- agenda+ Issue Triage
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- agenda+ Agenda for TPAC
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- agenda+ rb and rtc non-conforming in HTML 5.1
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- agenda+ I18N Checker review
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html aphillips
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- Present+ JcK
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- Present+ Addison
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- Present+ Barry
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- Present+ Richard
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- agenda
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- agenda?
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- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "Agenda" taken up [from aphillips]
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- Present+ Steve
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- agenda?
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- zakim, take up agendum 2
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- agendum 2. "Action Items" taken up [from aphillips]
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- https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
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- zakim, take up agendum 3
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- agendum 3. "Info Share" taken up [from aphillips]
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- Greetings to Barry
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- barry: background, been in ietf for many years
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- ... involved in idna-bis WG, eai WG, other i18n things
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- ... just trying to ramp up participation in w3c
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- ... figure out how this wg work, etc.
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- richard: sent welcome?
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- barry: yep
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- richard: for tpac
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- ... they were thinking of letting people have like labels with languages
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- ... so that people who didn't understand well could get interpretation
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- ... convinced them to leave a blank space to fill in using a bcp47 tag :-)
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- ... wrote some instructions on how to find and assemble a tag
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- ... not only will that help, but raise awareness of what language tags should look like
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- ... and be a bit of fun
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- ... "find a member of I18N WG for help"
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html aphillips
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- richard: what's happening with slim review?
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- barry: will look at it, but earlier is better than later
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- zakim, take up agendum 4
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- agendum 4. "RADAR and Active Work Review" taken up [from aphillips]
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- http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/radar/
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- http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
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- richard: a lot of work on i18n checker
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- agenda?
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- http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/questions/qa-floating-times.en
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- any comments?
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- richard: will resend mine
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- zakim, take up agendum 5
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- agendum 5. "Issue Triage" taken up [from aphillips]
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- q+
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- ack r12a
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- agenda?
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- zakim, take up agendum 7
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- agendum 7. "rb and rtc non-conforming in HTML 5.1" taken up [from aphillips]
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html aphillips
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- richard: putting a link to the list of review comments
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- http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/215
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- richard: snuck in since html5 published
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- ... due maybe to syncing with whatwg document
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- ... says rb and rtc are non-conforming
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- ... which is hixie's point of view
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- ... we've tried to convince him otherwise
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- ... added in 5
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- ... odd that it's non-conforming
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- richard: CSS folks plan to implement jukugo using table model
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- ... and that needs rtc
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- addison: non-substative because merely an author guideline
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- richard: any disagreement
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- addison: call for vote in support of this comment
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- +1
- 15:29:17 [Steve_Atkin]
- +1
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- +1
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- +1
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- call is for: support of the removal of rb and rtc from the list of tags in the "obsolete" list in html 5.1
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- +1
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- so carried
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- action: richard: forward issue-215 to html asking for the removal of rb and rtc from the list of "obsolete" tags in html 5.1
- 15:31:13 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-548 - Forward issue-215 to html asking for the removal of rb and rtc from the list of "obsolete" tags in html 5.1 [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-09-08].
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- agenda?
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- zakim, take up agendum 8
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- agendum 8. "I18N Checker review" taken up [from aphillips]
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- https://www.w3.org/International/quicktips/doc/checker
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- richard: in process of releasing new version
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- ... should be there tomorrow
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- UTF-8 BOM disagrees with another declaration
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- Non-preferred name used for legacy character encoding
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- Character encoding declaration named an unsupported encoding
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- A language subtag is invalid
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- A language attribute uses a grandfathered value
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- A language attribute uses zh-CN or zh-TW
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- Escaped characters addressing control code range
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- Incorrect values used for translate attribute
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- Incorrect character escapes for supplementary characters
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- Consider using dir='rtl' on the html tag
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- No rtl markup found
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- CSS is being used to set direction
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- bdo tag found with dir attribute set to auto
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- Invalid directional named character entities found
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- Found Unicode code points for directional controls
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- Found escape sequences for paired directional controls
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- Unpaired directional controls found
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- above are new checks
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- below are substantive changes
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- Character encoding: BOM
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- Character encoding: XML declaration
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- No effective character encoding information
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- meta encoding declarations don't work with XML
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- Incorrect use of meta encoding declarations
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- charset attribute used on a or link elements
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- No character encoding information
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- A tag uses an xml:lang attribute without an associated lang attribute
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- A tag uses a lang attribute without an associated xml:lang attribute
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- A language attribute value was incorrectly formed
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- Content-Language meta element used
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html aphillips
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- information panel updates:
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- All language tags: lists all language tags used in the page. If you click on any of the language tags listed, you are taken to the Language Subtag Lookup tool, which provides information about validity of the subtags used, lists their meaning, and provides additional usage tips.
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- Unicode control codes: lists directional controls used in the document, with a frequency count for each. The list is divided to reflect actual characters vs. numeric character references vs. named character references.
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- Notable attributes: lists attributes used that are typically associated with features needed by an international audience.
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- Notable elements: the same, but for elements.
- 15:37:01 [aphillips]
- U+FFFD count: 0 U+001A count: 0 Overzealous: 0 Mojibake UTF-8: 0 Private Use: 0 Many ?:
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- https://validator.w3.org/i18n-checker/
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html aphillips
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- agenda?
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- zakim, take up agendum 6
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- agendum 6. "Agenda for TPAC" taken up [from aphillips]
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- richard: had a request from angel, office mgr in china, to talk about chinese layout task force
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- ... status update
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- ... not a big update on chinese
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- ... expect bobby will be there until thurs morning, would like to schedule then
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- addison: works for me to schedule thurs morning
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- richard: wiki somewhere?
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- action: addison: create agenda schedule for tpac meeting of i18n wg and reply to inquiries, especially dpub
- 15:44:14 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-549 - Create agenda schedule for tpac meeting of i18n wg and reply to inquiries, especially dpub [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-09-08].
- 15:45:21 [aphillips]
- richard: check with swaran on time
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- addison: other topics ahead of time??
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- richard: json/bidi stuff
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- addison: agree, somewhat urgent
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- ... tried to non-conflict with css/html
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- richard: arabic layout won't be there
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- ... webannot not there as a wg
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- ... some people will be though
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- ... chat with them about their outstanding issue
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- addison: as invite-in or hallway?
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- richard: invite in
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- ... have json discussion first
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- ... send in ideas for things to discuss by email
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- richard: look at dpub folks page, just copy it?
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- Topic: Chatmod-Norm
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- s/Chatmod/Charmod/
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- action: addison: send a request-to-read on charmod-norm for discussion next week, with an eye to proceeding to LC
- 15:54:05 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-550 - Send a request-to-read on charmod-norm for discussion next week, with an eye to proceeding to lc [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-09-08].
- 15:54:17 [aphillips]
- richard: will send pull request on casing
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- addison: suggest we remove the string searching so we can finish
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- Topic: Encoding
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- richard: need to update the disposition of comments
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- ... need to tickle the lists on bug requests
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- ... clear idea of tests results
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- ... before talking to plh
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- ... see him at tpac
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- Topic: AOB?
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html aphillips
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- richard: JSON-bidi notes I wrote up, substantially rearranged and added some
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- ... may need to re-read if interested
- 15:56:23 [r12a]
- http://w3c.github.io/i18n-discuss/notes/json-bidi.html
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- I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minuts', aphillips. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html aphillips
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- zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been JcK, Addison, Barry, Richard, Steve
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-minutes.html aphillips
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- rrsagent, bye
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- I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: richard: forward issue-215 to html asking for the removal of rb and rtc from the list of "obsolete" tags in html 5.1 [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-irc#T15-31-13
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- ACTION: addison: create agenda schedule for tpac meeting of i18n wg and reply to inquiries, especially dpub [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-irc#T15-44-13
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- ACTION: addison: send a request-to-read on charmod-norm for discussion next week, with an eye to proceeding to LC [3]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/09/01-i18n-irc#T15-54-05