13:46:21 RRSAgent has joined #dap 13:46:21 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/08/25-dap-irc 13:46:23 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:46:23 Zakim has joined #dap 13:46:25 Zakim, this will be DAP 13:46:25 ok, trackbot 13:46:26 Meeting: Device and Sensors Working Group Teleconference 13:46:26 Date: 25 August 2016 13:46:42 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2016Aug/0021.html 13:46:42 Chair: Dom 13:46:45 Regrets: Frederick 13:52:47 dom has changed the topic to: das agenda https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2016Aug/0021.html 14:03:00 Present+ 14:03:04 Present+ AnssiK 14:05:08 anssik has joined #dap 14:05:14 Present+ Andrey_Logvinov 14:06:23 https://www.w3.org/TR/vibration/ points to REC, not PER 14:07:00 Topic: Minutes approval 14:07:01 RESOLUTION: Minutes from 14 July 2016 are approved, 14:07:01 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2016Jul/0035.html 14:07:10 Topic: Battery 14:07:39 Anssi: I haven't gotten any concrete feedback that would motivate spec changes 14:07:44 Present+ Andrey_Logvinov 14:07:44 alogvinov_ has joined #dap 14:08:00 ... there is some freedom for implementors to do things differently 14:08:05 https://w3c.github.io/battery/#dfn-unable-to-report-the-battery-status-information 14:09:08 Anssi: you can be conformant with the spec, given the current prose, and address all the arguments I've heard 14:09:46 Dom: should we get confirmation from Marcos / Domenic about their satisfaction? 14:10:01 Anssi: yes, we should ask for concrete spec changes that would satisfy them 14:10:02 https://github.com/w3c/battery/issues/5 14:10:46 ACTION: Anssi to ping Marcos & Domenic on Battery issue #5 14:10:46 Created ACTION-765 - Ping marcos & domenic on battery issue #5 [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2016-09-01]. 14:11:21 Topic: Vibration 14:12:15 Dom: v2? 14:13:03 Anssi: WebVR will need more control on vibration intensity 14:13:11 ... Vibration is also used by the Notification API 14:13:48 s/Notification API/Notifications API 14:14:05 https://github.com/w3c/vibration/issues 14:15:20 dom: chrome is going to block vibration in third-party iframes 14:15:32 ... cf issue #15 14:15:51 Anssi: would be good to see if Mozilla is going in that direction too 14:17:02 ... and if so, we should probably align the spec 14:17:22 ... would that be more for a v2? 14:18:04 Dom: I think a v2 is useful if we add new features; I wouldn't do it "just" for adding this restriction 14:18:14 anssi: any other spec were that problem arises? 14:18:25 Dom: Wake Lock restricts its usage to same-origin contexts 14:18:38 Anssi: this reminds of the permission delegation discussion that happened in Chrome 14:19:45 Dom: right; same issue has arised for getUserMedia 14:19:48 https://rawgit.com/noncombatant/permission-delegation-api/gh-pages/index.html 14:21:28 https://noncombatant.github.io/permission-delegation-api/ 14:23:27 ACTION: Anssi to check for new requirements on vibration from Gamepad/VR 14:23:27 Created ACTION-766 - Check for new requirements on vibration from gamepad/vr [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2016-09-01]. 14:23:57 https://www.w3.org/2009/dap/#sensors 14:23:58 Topic: Sensor 14:24:23 Anssi: the implementation team has promised to raise new issues very soon now 14:26:04 ... we should wait to start the wide review 14:26:16 dom: but then we won't be able to use TPAC for processing feedback from such a review 14:27:13 https://github.com/w3ctag/spec-reviews/issues/115 14:27:25 https://github.com/w3ctag/spec-reviews/issues/110 14:28:09 Anssi: we received substantive feedback from the TAG 14:29:41 alogvinov_ has joined #dap 14:29:59 ... the implementation feedback will be mostly filling gaps of undefined behavior 14:30:19 dom: I think we should start the wide review so that we have stuff worth discussing at TPAC 14:30:45 anssik: for wide review, do we need a new WD? 14:31:21 dom: it would be better (unless there have been no changes since last time) 14:34:15 ACTION: Anssi to prepare new WD of sensors for Wide Review 14:34:15 Created ACTION-767 - Prepare new wd of sensors for wide review [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2016-09-01]. 14:34:35 ACTION: Dom to start wide review of generic sensors & ambient light 14:34:35 Created ACTION-768 - Start wide review of generic sensors & ambient light [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2016-09-01]. 14:35:09 https://www.w3.org/2009/dap/#sensors 14:35:16 ACTION-768: wide review should mention other generic sensor specs https://www.w3.org/2009/dap/#sensors 14:35:16 Notes added to ACTION-768 Start wide review of generic sensors & ambient light. 14:36:04 Topic: Concrete sensors 14:36:56 Anssi: the various concrete sensors are being implemented 14:37:18 ... and thanks to the Generic Sensors API, it's fairly straightforward to add more sensors on many platforms we have 14:37:27 ... it's been easy on Android and Windows for instance 14:37:35 ... our plan is rapidly implement all of those 14:38:12 ... on Chromium and Chrome-based platforms (e.g. ChromeOS) 14:38:42 Dom: where do we stand in terms of moving to FPWD? 14:39:45 Anssi: I would suggest moving to FPWD for the 3 concrete sensors fairly soon 14:40:42 ... the drafts are missing a reference to WebIDL-1 14:40:54 https://w3c.github.io/sensors/#index-defined-elsewhere 14:41:01 ... due to my removal of bikeshed boilerplate in these documents 14:42:00 ACTION: Dom to open issues on missing WebIDL ref in concrete sensors 14:42:00 Created ACTION-769 - Open issues on missing webidl ref in concrete sensors [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2016-09-01]. 14:42:48 ACTION: Dom to ask Frederick to start a FPWD call for consensus for concrete sensors once WebIDL references have been added 14:42:48 Created ACTION-770 - Ask frederick to start a fpwd call for consensus for concrete sensors once webidl references have been added [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2016-09-01]. 14:43:03 Topic: WakeLock API 14:43:24 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-privacy/2016JulSep/0034.html 14:44:29 https://github.com/w3c/ping/pull/1/files 14:45:33 Topic: TPAC 14:47:41 Anssi: we should aim at discussing our open issues during the Monday meeting at TPAC 14:47:48 ... we have 41 open issues that need triaging 14:48:02 ... some of them might have to closed or moved to v2 14:48:18 ... Also, I hope we'll have more feedback from implementation by then 14:48:35 ... we could also do demos 14:48:54 ... I think it will be mostly about generic sensors and perhaps some of the concrete instances 14:49:05 ... it would also be interesting to talk about the geolocation wg if they're around 14:49:37 ... since the geo might be another target for generic sensor, the same way as deviceorientation is broken down into gyroscope, accelerometer, magnetometer 14:49:54 ... in theory, you could polyfill deviceorientation based on these 3 drafts 14:50:02 ... not clear who from geo will be at TPAC 14:50:24 ... another potential topic is figuring where WoT could benefit from this work 14:50:47 https://github.com/w3c/sensors/issues/18 14:50:48 ... WoT interface with sensors 14:52:44 ... a separate topic might be v2 (e.g. exposing this in worker contexts) 14:53:02 ... and even beyond ("future work") 14:53:09 Level 1: https://github.com/w3c/sensors/milestone/2 14:53:24 Level 2: https://github.com/w3c/sensors/milestone/3 14:53:42 Future Work: https://github.com/w3c/sensors/milestone/4 14:55:18 ACTION: Anssi to prepare agenda for sensors meeting @ TPAC - due 2016-09-12 14:55:18 Created ACTION-771 - Prepare agenda for sensors meeting @ tpac [on Anssi Kostiainen - due 2016-09-12]. 14:56:38 RRSAgent, draft minutes 14:56:38 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/08/25-dap-minutes.html dom 15:27:05 alogvinov_ has joined #dap 16:22:19 Zakim has left #dap