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<scribe> scribe: cyns
<Ryladog> I will only be able to attend via irc today
<janina> OK, Katie. Thanks.
js: draft task force document to
css and aria. aria has approved
... also sent initial list of specs and issues
... no comments from css, pinged again today
... asked for meeting time at tpac, and edits
rs: filed issues against web
components
... trying to get an api for accessibility
<Rich> ack
rs: I agreed to make a draft of
personalization semantics draft to take to coga, first pw by
end of year
... this would be an aria spec
<Zakim> JF, you wanted to ask if we have started to flesh out a meeting schedule for TPAC?
js: we're working on it
rs: can give you aria
<Rich> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2016
rs: early draft, some things will change
<Rich> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2016
mc: action 2081?
action 2081?
<scribe> ACTION: 2081? [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/08/24-apa-minutes.html#action01]
action-2081?
<trackbot> action-2081 -- Michael Cooper to See if web app manifest comments are dealt with https://www.w3.org/wai/apa/wiki/web_app_manifest -- due 2016-08-17 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2081
action-2077?
<trackbot> action-2077 -- Janina Sajka to Review poe https://www.w3.org/tr/poe-ucr/ use cases and requirements -- due 2016-08-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2077
action-2076?
<trackbot> action-2076 -- Janina Sajka to Review http://www.w3.org/tr/vocab-odrl/ odrl vocabulary & expression and http://www.w3.org/tr/odrl-model/ odrl information model -- due 2016-08-24 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2076
js: not done
action-2073?
<trackbot> action-2073 -- Janina Sajka to Review http://www.w3.org/tr/remote-playback/ remote playback api -- due 2016-08-03 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2073
close action-2073
<trackbot> Closed action-2073.
action-2069?
<trackbot> action-2069 -- Michael Cooper to Follow up on http://www.w3.org/tr/media-source/ media source extensions -- due 2016-08-04 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2069
mc: not done
<MichaelC> DeviceOrientation Event Specification
mc: there's a device orientation event
js: don't think we care
jd: I might care... is this about horizontal to vertical rotation?
mc: I think so?
jd: do we need an AAM about how to express this in aapi? screen reader may need to announce orientation, clear cache... AT's care
mc: looks like acclerometer stuff, roation and location in 3d space
jf: from geolocation wg. May have impact on wayfinding, VR, pokeman go, and things where how your device is oriented matter
js: I think it will be useful, need to report data... is the way of collecting that data something we have concerns about, or how it gets applied in a user interface
mc: may need to show up in AAPI.
Note, this is a CR, could be PR, last draft was in 2011
... pr date sept 15?
jf: has security and privacy section, no accessibility section
mc: sounds like we need to review
jd: what spec does this belong in?
mc: accessibility seciton in this spec may be good
<MichaelC> ACTION: JF to review DeviceOrientation Event Specification https://www.w3.org/TR/orientation-event/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/08/24-apa-minutes.html#action02]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2082 - Review deviceorientation event specification https://www.w3.org/tr/orientation-event/ [on John Foliot - due 2016-08-31].
js: look at web payment spec as model
<MichaelC> action-2082: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/DeviceOrientation_Event_Specification
<trackbot> Notes added to action-2082 Review deviceorientation event specification https://www.w3.org/tr/orientation-event/.
<MichaelC> action-2082: Coordinate with Joanie
<trackbot> Notes added to action-2082 Review deviceorientation event specification https://www.w3.org/tr/orientation-event/.
<MichaelC> action-2082?
<trackbot> action-2082 -- John Foliot to Review deviceorientation event specification https://www.w3.org/tr/orientation-event/ -- due 2016-08-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2082
td: there are a lot of apps that are trying to guide user to important part of something. guide people to the important part of their w2, or what to take a picture of. this api might be applicable?
mc: sounds like a use of that spec.
<janina> `q?
<MichaelC> ACTION: drake to review DeviceOrientation Event Specification https://www.w3.org/TR/orientation-event/ [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/08/24-apa-minutes.html#action03]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2083 - Review deviceorientation event specification https://www.w3.org/tr/orientation-event/ [on Ted Drake - due 2016-08-31].
<MichaelC> HTML 5.2
js: wait for leonie and ask about a diff
<MichaelC> Indexed Database API 2.0
fe: doens't sound related to accessibiliy
<MichaelC> Vibration API
mc: unless we have a big issue, not need to comment on proposed edited rec
jf: has security and privacy section, should have accessibility
cs: +1
mc: we've done some things about that
<Ryladog_> +1
mc: there is a charter template
that has this, security and privacy got added before
accessibility. this should improve over time.
... not sure if every spec needs a11y section
... looking at plenary session on accessibility secitons
js: not sure anything needed for this spec. maybe there is a need for os at to vibrate, and might need to restrict apps from collisions with that. not sure it is worth a comment
td: users should be able to turn off vibration. could be an issue for adhd.
js: do we want to make a comment like that?
jf: yes, maybe
<MichaelC> ACTION: drake to work with Janina to draft an a11y considerations section for the Vibration API [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/08/24-apa-minutes.html#action04]
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2084 - Work with janina to draft an a11y considerations section for the vibration api [on Ted Drake - due 2016-08-31].
js: we have use case for turning off for adhd, and a use a case for collisions
mc: proposed edited rec is where it up for advisory committee, not taking other review. there is supposed to be an opportunity for us to comment. was required for wcag 2.0. we may need an AC person to drive this
<MichaelC> action-2084: https://www.w3.org/TR/2016/PER-vibration-20160818/
<trackbot> Notes added to action-2084 Work with janina to draft an a11y considerations section for the vibration api.
js: especially since it's not a normative impact
mc: AC vote would probably close Sept 18.
js: discussions ongoing after useful call last week
<MichaelC> action-2084?
<trackbot> action-2084 -- Ted Drake to Work with janina to draft an a11y considerations section for the vibration api -- due 2016-08-31 -- OPEN
<trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2084
td: i couldn't find the details of aria-details. it wasn't in aria 1.1?
rs: it's in the rawgit version?
<Rich> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html
js: I think all dpub needs is
support in rendering toolkit, not in browsers themselves
... this will be discussed in dpub, should have concensus
before dpub
jd: from the point of view of the user agent, the rendering toolkit is the browser
js: IIRC, firefox doesn't expose longdesc, but gecko does.
jd: in the case of longdesc, it's two things. gecko exposed in API, firefox added to context menu
js: is that the only example?
jd: are you saying that
implementors don't want aria-details to have any chrome, but do
want it exposed to accessibility api
... is the objection of user interface implementors that they
don't want browser "chrome" (UX)
<Zakim> cyns, you wanted to say that it works well, in my experience, to have the section on every spec, and put n/a if it is
mc: accessibility secitons should be a tpac topic, maybe a horizontal review topic
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