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15:04:22 <trackbot> Meeting: Semantic Web Health Care and Life Sciences Interest Group Teleconference
15:04:22 <trackbot> Date: 16 August 2016
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15:06:25 <dbooth> Topic: FHIR RDF ontology starting page
15:06:52 <dbooth> dbooth: I drafted this to get into DSTU 3: https://hl7-fhir.github.io/ontology-module.html
15:08:12 <hsolbrig> s/DSTU/STU/
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15:11:54 <dbooth> harold: Suggest putting the word "RDF" in the header
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15:12:40 <dbooth> FHIR starting page: https://hl7-fhir.github.io/
15:13:35 <dbooth> harold: grahame used the term "ontology" to refer to the 5 Ws classification.
15:13:41 <dbooth> dbooth: huh?
15:14:52 <dbooth> harold: the FHIR starting page is a  resource that begins with W5, equated to the FHIR ontology in earlier discussions.  ON the ontology page we should consider a disclaimer or clarification to not be confused with th W5 work.
15:14:58 <dbooth> dbooth: W5 work?
15:15:50 <dbooth> Present: Philippe Rocca-Serra
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15:17:32 <hsolbrig> http://hl7-fhir.github.io/w5.html
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15:18:51 <dbooth> harold: W5 is who, what, why, where, when
15:20:00 <dbooth> ... Suggest grepping for the word ontology in the context of w5, to distinguish.
15:20:54 <dbooth> harold: what's the status of the ontology?
15:21:08 <dbooth> dbooth: It will need to be generated by the build process
15:25:28 <dbooth> harold: Related project: Grahame, Linda Bird and Keith Campbell are working on setting up a template language and mapping FHIR resources to SNOMED Ct using the template language
15:26:42 <dbooth> ... Linda's been in charge of the SNOMED CT family of languages: grammar, constraint language, query language and template language, which maps data structures into slots into snomed compositional statements that can be classified.
15:27:23 <dbooth> ... When she started looking at FHIR she started added all sorts of tweaks, and grahame suggested that the mapping language be used to transform fhir resource instances into a normalized template.
15:27:42 <dbooth> ... A classic example is the non-monotonic stuff.
15:28:46 <dbooth> ACTION: Harold to check w linda for a link to the snomed-fhir mapping
15:28:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-66 - Check w linda for a link to the snomed-fhir mapping [on Harold Solbrig - due 2016-08-23].
15:30:17 <dbooth> Alejandra: I thought it would explain more of the ontoloyg, not only RDF.  Maybe tweak the title.
15:31:22 <dbooth> philippe: In sec 3.0.1.3 add links to other ontologies and any not recommended
15:31:55 <dbooth> Topic: ShEx validation of FHIR
15:32:27 <dbooth> harold: RDF generation for FHIR is complete and accurate to the best of my knowledge.
15:33:32 <hsolbrig> https://hl7-fhir.github.io/medicationexample0310.ttl.html
15:34:36 <hsolbrig> https://hl7-fhir.github.io/allergyintolerance-example.ttl.html
15:35:50 <hsolbrig> https://hl7-fhir.github.io/allergyintolerance.shex.html
15:35:52 <dbooth> harold: There's still room for improvement on the shex definitions
15:37:16 <dbooth> ... We just changed the syntax of the shex for valuesets (at the bottom of that page)
15:37:25 <dbooth> ... Still need to do slicing and constraints
15:38:13 <hsolbrig> https://github.com/shexSpec/shex.js
15:38:25 <hsolbrig> The above link points at A ShEx validator
15:39:36 <dbooth> harold: We still need to get the example validation put into the build process.
15:39:50 <dbooth> ... Grahame wants to use the scala implementation of shex for that
15:40:54 <dbooth> ... When rule is matched you can execute an action, which can be used for generating documentation or other things.
15:41:35 <dbooth> ... I want to make the actions similar to the ANTLER4 spec, so that you can name the actions and then bind them later
15:42:11 <dbooth> ... One current drawback now is that the rules have to be right in the validation shex
15:43:14 <dbooth> dbooth: so the plan is for grahame to put jose's validator into the build process to validate all of the fhir examples?  harold: yes
15:43:38 <dbooth> harold: i think we'll stand up a validator schema on the yosemiteproject.org site when ready
15:43:54 <hsolbrig> https://hl7-fhir.github.io/fhir.shex
15:44:27 <dbooth> harold: that includes all the shex validation rules for fhir
15:44:53 <dbooth> ... That's generated by the  build process
15:45:32 <dbooth> harold: would there be enough interest in this to put RDF and Shex into a connectathon?
15:49:02 <dbooth> dbooth: fhir proving ground work is looking at mapping to/from fhir.  I mentioned shex (shexmap) for doing mapping, and that is also being looked at.
15:50:08 <dbooth> ... They're also looking at grahame's fhir mapping language, and at MDMI (from OMG)
15:51:04 <dbooth> dbooth: Could we leverage or join shexmap and grahame's fhir mapping language?
15:51:45 <dbooth> harold: could shexmap be an implementation of the fhir mapping language?
15:52:18 <dbooth> dbooth: IDK.  would be good to get eric and grahame involved in that discussion.
15:53:07 <dbooth> craig: i'll be at the baltimore connectathon, and would be interested
15:53:22 <dbooth> ... Could even do the experimental track
15:56:08 <dbooth> harold: should talk to michael van der zel.  he's been quietly doing a lot of work in the RDF area.
15:57:58 <dbooth> ADJOURNED
16:01:45 <dbooth> Present+ Harold Solbrig, David Booth, Craig Parker, Alejandra
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16:02:45 <dbooth> Chair: David Booth
16:03:23 <dbooth> s/Philippe Rocca-Serra/Philippe_Rocca-Serra
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