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17:04:54 <clapierre> present+ Charles_LaPierre Deborah_Kaplan Tzviya
17:05:23 <clapierre> scribe: clapierre
17:05:32 <clapierre> title: Accessibility DPUB Task Force Weekly Meeting
17:05:41 <clapierre> chair: clapierre
17:12:12 <clapierre> topic: Personalized Experience
17:13:49 <clapierre> tzviya: we are hoping to have this done by TPAC and section #2 is the model section.  These sections should be updated via pull requests.
17:15:28 <tzviya> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pwp-ucr/#accessibility
17:18:24 <clapierre> deborah: everyone knows about vision a11y, we need to add other forms of disability, cognitive, mobility, hearing etc…
17:19:23 <clapierre> tzviya: yes I agree with you, unless we don't need to add more personalization examples we can kill this section. 9.1
17:21:20 <clapierre> charles: we should just say this is covered in 2.1.9 link, since someone maybe just skip to the accessibility and we want it covered there to be complete.
17:21:41 <clapierre> tzviya: that is fine kill the section and keep a link to section#2
17:22:37 <clapierre> topic: 9.2 Accessible Metadata
17:22:51 <clapierre> deborah: I will wordsmith this section
17:23:13 <clapierre> Tzviya: refer to one of the section to fundamental features.
17:23:40 <clapierre> … and if its not a fundamental feature it should be.
17:23:43 <clapierre> topic: 9.3 Adding Alternative Media
17:24:41 <clapierre> tzviya: it needs an intro and the example needs to be fleshed out a bit more, maybe the braille example expanded.
17:25:11 <clapierre> deborah: I think Charles should take this one.
17:25:32 <clapierre> charles: ok I will flesh this out and then you can word smith it Deborah afterwards.
17:25:41 <clapierre> topic: 9.4 Assisted Reader Technology
17:26:29 <clapierre> tzviya: I think this is covered under fundamentals as a package not individual pages.
17:26:37 <clapierre> Deborah: I think we can go away.
17:27:29 <clapierre> Tzviya: If you want to make a particular use case add AT. must be perceivable by all assistive technologies.  Not sure if we even need it, then it should go in the first paragraph.
17:28:01 <clapierre> … or it could be both places.
17:28:22 <clapierre> …. we can talk about this Monday 2.1.1 and 2.1.2
17:28:43 <clapierre> Charles: I will remove it from here 9.4
17:28:51 <clapierre> Topic: 9.5 Time-based Media
17:29:27 <clapierre> Deborah: I will take this. and cognitive and deafness examples.
17:29:43 <clapierre> Tzviya: do not use mention picture books or fixed layout here
17:30:10 <clapierre> Deborah: yeah learning to read, sync turning pages etc...
17:31:41 <clapierre> Topic: 9.6 Braille
17:32:02 <clapierre> Tzviya: I agree Braille is important, and can talk about this with the group on Monday.
17:32:57 <clapierre> … I don't want to blur the line between use-cases relevant to use-cases packaging, and those relevant to the publishing industry.
17:33:12 <clapierre> Topic: 9.7 Building a Custom PWP
17:35:07 <clapierre> charles: ability to download for a particular AccessMode.
17:35:44 <clapierre> deborah: I frequently do this, I know there is lot of javascript that isn't accessible so I will find a way to load the page without any of that stuff.  But I am not sure how to do this as a use case.
17:36:12 <clapierre> Tzviya: we have a section 2.1.8 that eludes to this, which does say see section on Accessibility.
17:37:42 <clapierre> … full package may not be available to all users for example a user who prefers braille and would create a package containing only the braille files and excludes the CSS…
17:38:42 <clapierre> Deborah: I can find a way to word this, to create a package that excludes elements… by the same token most users won't want to download the braille, and a deaf user may want to exclude the big audio files.  deaf users on mobile choosing to exclude audio files.
17:39:30 <clapierre> Tzviya: this is great but we need to link back to the fundamental use cases of the jogger, or while doing the dishes and turn on voice over etc…
17:47:46 <clapierre> Deborah: I will take on 9.7
17:47:49 <clapierre> topic: 9.8 Package needs to support time-based media and text
17:48:30 <clapierre> deborah, this is a duplicate or should be merged together.  I will do this since I am also working on 9.5
17:48:40 <clapierre> Tzviya: is there anything else.
17:49:00 <clapierre> Deborah: this is specifically use cases with respect to portability and packaging correct?
17:50:25 <clapierre> … so the fundamental use cases it is worth adding, a portability issue 2.1.1 it is important to specify AT devices, it is a portability issue.  if I have an eReader which meet my assistive tech needs, can it be read with my xyz with a read aloud function.
17:50:55 <clapierre> Tzviya:  we should add something about using all the tools of the web including AT.
17:51:23 <clapierre> Deborah: what about 2.1.2 should be richer or another section added afterwards.
17:52:31 <clapierre> Tzviya: maybe we are thinking should have another … (make use of all standard tools of the web including AT. and swap 2.1.1 and 2.1.2 with adding this new use case inbetween.
17:52:43 <clapierre> Deborah: this would be a great place to call out WCAG...
17:53:52 <clapierre> Tzviya: W3C is asking for a horizontal review, internationalization, accessible and secure.  We don't have security section and need one.  that could be the swapped 1.1 and 1.2
17:54:19 <clapierre> Deborah: the publication needs to make use of all open web technologies, accessibility, internationalization and security.
17:54:47 <clapierre> … its weird to have this since we are not requiring that a publishing for other languages.
17:55:30 <clapierre> Tzviya: we will look at this before we publish to discuss this with other internationalization.
17:55:51 <clapierre> … we need to call this out, we either rewrite the existing 2.1.1 or we add a new section.
17:56:31 <clapierre> Deborah: I can write up a two sentence thing and we can discuss this Monday.
17:56:50 <clapierre> Tzviya: sure or it can be pushed to the following week, although I won't be at that meeting.
17:58:02 <clapierre> Tzviya: we can push off the accessibility section to discuss with the group the following Monday.
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18:06:57 <clapierre> regrets: George
18:07:02 <clapierre> rrsagent, draft minutes
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18:09:26 <tzviya> rrsagent, bye
18:09:26 <RRSAgent> I see no action items