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17:59:20 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SHAPES
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17:59:21 <trackbot> Meeting: RDF Data Shapes Working Group Teleconference
17:59:21 <trackbot> Date: 11 August 2016
18:00:01 <kcoyle> hmmm. not getting audio on webex - anyone else having this problem?
18:00:16 <simonstey> me neither
18:00:23 <Arnaud> same here
18:00:33 <Arnaud> let's hope Eric shows up
18:01:13 <pano> same here
18:01:27 <Arnaud> "Thanks for using WebEx." or not...
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18:01:46 <simonstey> "how do you rate your experience?"
18:02:04 <kcoyle> Not, I think, Arnaud, definitely not
18:03:02 <Dimitris> cannot enter by phone either
18:03:22 <Arnaud> eric is working on it
18:03:39 <Arnaud> hand in there
18:03:50 <Arnaud> s/ahdn/hang/
18:03:54 <Arnaud> oh my...
18:05:46 <Arnaud> "This is intermission is brought to you by WebEx."...
18:06:11 <pano> :P
18:07:25 <Arnaud> eric is still working
18:07:36 <Arnaud> at least that's what he says ;-)
18:08:09 <Arnaud> I do have a telephone bridge we could use but it doesn't support VOIP
18:08:13 <TallTed> "WebEx helps you meet online with anyone, anywhere, so you can get more done—faster and cost-effectively."  by not having those time consuming meetings after all...
18:08:23 <Arnaud> can everybody call on a phone?
18:08:34 <Arnaud> I can provide you with a local number
18:09:06 <kcoyle> phone ok, but i'm local, thus np
18:09:11 <pano> if it is a local number would be possible for me
18:09:29 <Dimitris> I can as well with skype
18:09:53 <simonstey> same for me
18:10:20 <simonstey> if it's a toll free number
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18:11:25 <Arnaud> according to eric, it should work now
18:12:34 <Dimitris> present+
18:12:38 <marqh> present+
18:12:42 <AndyS> present+
18:12:46 <Arnaud> present+
18:13:06 <simonstey> present+
18:13:48 <TallTed> present+
18:14:32 <pano> present+
18:14:38 <kcoyle> present+
18:15:18 <Arnaud> chair: Arnaud
18:15:25 <Arnaud> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2016.08.11
18:15:28 <TallTed> scribenick: TallTed
<TallTed> topic: Admin
18:15:52 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Approve minutes of the 4 August 2016 Telecon: http://www.w3.org/2016/08/04-shapes-minutes.html
18:16:06 <kcoyle> minutes look ok - i looked
18:16:16 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Approve minutes of the 4 August 2016 Telecon: http://www.w3.org/2016/08/04-shapes-minutes.html
18:17:56 <TallTed> Topic: Drafts Publication
18:20:19 <TallTed> Arnaud: internal WG review is requested of Abstract Syntax Draft (http://w3c.github.io/data-shapes/shacl-abstract-syntax/) and SHACL Draft (http://w3c.github.io/data-shapes/shacl/) for PWD in TR space
18:20:39 <Dimitris> q+
18:20:58 <Arnaud> ack Dimitris
18:21:02 <TallTed> kcoyle: [in favor]
18:21:23 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Publish latest editor's draft of SHACL
18:21:27 <TallTed> Dimitris: good shape for PWD
18:21:39 <kcoyle> +1
18:21:41 <Dimitris> +1
18:21:46 <ericP> q+ to say propose that the current hasShape have an issue saying "this is intended to be in shacl core"
18:21:50 <pano> +1
18:22:07 <simonstey> +1
18:22:09 <Arnaud> ack ericP
18:22:09 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to say propose that the current hasShape have an issue saying "this is intended to be in shacl core"
18:22:22 <TallTed> +1
18:23:09 <AndyS> +1
18:23:11 <TallTed> ericP: [garbled audio echoing q request]
18:23:15 <AndyS>  (links to major issues are also good ... realistically, feedback is a bonus)
18:24:13 <Dimitris> \me Eric, can you write this down? I cannot understand
18:26:23 <marqh> +1
18:27:02 <Arnaud> ericp, are you objecting to the publication?
18:27:37 <ericP> i had expected that the functionality of sh:hasShape to be in core. can we have issue text to say that?
18:28:09 <TallTed> ericP: i had expected that the functionality of sh:hasShape to be in core. can we have issue text to say that?
18:28:25 <Arnaud> I lost audio
18:28:42 <Dimitris> https://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/track/issues/140
18:28:49 <Dimitris> q+
18:29:39 <TallTed> s/issue text/issue text within the draft/
18:30:59 <TallTed> Dimitris: maybe what you need is resolution of issue-140 ?
18:31:01 <Arnaud> ack Dimitris
18:33:07 <TallTed> ericP: I'm looking for some context-sensitive validation...
18:36:46 <Arnaud> guys, we're completely off topic
18:37:31 <Dimitris> part of issue-140 : ""Optionally, an individual node can be used as additional parameter to the validation process, resulting in validation of that node only."
18:38:18 <Dimitris> Eric, have a closer look at issue 140 in case it covers this issue before opening a new one
18:39:34 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Publish latest editor's draft of SHACL
18:41:12 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: Publish Abstract syntax draft as First Public Working Draft (FPWD)
18:41:22 <kcoyle> +1
18:41:27 <ericP> +1
18:41:28 <Dimitris> +1
18:41:28 <TallTed> +1
18:41:34 <pano> +1
18:41:36 <AndyS> +1
18:41:51 <marqh> +1
18:41:53 <simonstey> +1
18:42:03 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Publish Abstract syntax draft as First Public Working Draft (FPWD)
18:42:28 <TallTed> topic: Getting SHACL to CR
18:43:13 <AndyS> https://www.w3.org/2015/Process-20150901/#candidate-rec
18:44:30 <ericP> LC was basically telling i18n and wai that it was time to poke holes in the spec
18:44:35 <AndyS> """ A Candidate Recommendation corresponds to a "Last Call Working Draft" [as it was]"""
18:45:04 <TallTed> Arnaud: w3c process has a milestone of "Candidate Recommendation" (overlaps with some of what was once "Last Call"), with some specific requirements...
18:48:23 <TallTed> ... [reviews requirements]
18:49:42 <TallTed> q+
18:50:26 <Arnaud> ack TallTed
18:52:28 <marqh> q+
18:54:15 <Arnaud> ack marqh
18:55:23 <TallTed> marqh: what implementations are we aware of?  or groups or individuals working on such?
18:55:47 <AndyS> How current is https://github.com/w3c/data-shapes/tree/gh-pages/data-shapes-test-suite ?
18:56:52 <AndyS> q+ to ask about post-WG community
18:56:54 <ericP> -> https://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/implementations/ SPARQL implementation report
18:58:30 <ericP> -> https://github.com/shexSpec/shexTest/blob/TEisSE/validation/ ShEx validation tests
19:01:20 <Arnaud> ack AndyS
19:01:20 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask about post-WG community
19:02:08 <ericP> +1 to AndyS's point
19:02:52 <TallTed> AndyS: companies often want to get listed on compliance/implementation reports after PR
19:04:12 <Arnaud> issue-92
19:04:12 <trackbot> issue-92 -- Should repeated properties be interpreted as additive or conjunctive? -- open
19:04:12 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/track/issues/92
19:04:53 <TallTed> topic: ISSUE-92: additive repeated properties
19:07:25 <Arnaud> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-data-shapes-wg/2016Aug/0009.html
19:13:52 <TallTed> Dimitris: rough concurrence with Holger's concern; need to read more carefully
19:15:34 <TallTed> kcoyle: it would be helpful to know how this could be handled with SHACL today, vs Eric's proposal
19:16:11 <TallTed> ... i.e., without sh:partition
19:17:59 <TallTed> topic: ISSUE-150: nested severities
19:18:29 <TallTed> Arnaud: we've discussed this a few times, without significant motion, and clear disagreement.  how can we move forward?
19:18:35 <Dimitris> q+
19:18:40 <Arnaud> ack Dimitris
19:20:02 <TallTed> issue-150?
19:20:02 <trackbot> issue-150 -- Treatment of nested severities -- open
19:20:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2014/data-shapes/track/issues/150
19:22:07 <Arnaud> STRAWPOLL: treat sh:Warning and sh:Info as violations like sh:Violation a) yes, b) no (status quo)
19:22:41 <Dimitris> a) +1 b) -0.9
19:22:46 <kcoyle> a) +1 b) 0
19:24:26 <ericP> a) +1 b) 0
19:24:44 <simonstey> a) +1 b) 0
19:24:54 <TallTed> a +1  b -0.9
19:29:33 <ericP> +1 to Dimitris's approach
19:30:31 <kcoyle> q+
19:30:51 <Arnaud> ack kcoyle
19:35:31 <Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting
19:35:31 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
19:35:31 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Dimitris, marqh, AndyS, Arnaud, simonstey, TallTed, pano, kcoyle, ericP
19:35:39 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
19:35:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/08/11-shapes-minutes.html trackbot
19:35:40 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
19:35:40 <RRSAgent> I see no action items