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14:37:21 <trackbot> Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:37:21 <trackbot> Date: 04 August 2016
14:38:03 <allanj> chair: jim
14:38:19 <allanj> zakim, clear agenda
14:38:19 <Zakim> agenda cleared
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14:50:10 <allanj> Agenda+ Guidance for TF-submitted Success Criteria https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2016JulSep/0451.html (best practice - https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2016JulSep/0451.html)
14:50:28 <allanj> Agenda+ Gap analysis updated - existing SCs http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-SC/GapAnalysis-SC.html
14:57:13 <shawn> present: Shawn, Jim, Wayne, JohnRochford
14:58:06 <allanj> present+
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15:03:11 <JohnRochford> present+
15:03:32 <Wayne> present+
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15:04:26 <allanj> scribe: Jim
15:04:35 <allanj> zakim, open item 1
15:04:36 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Guidance for TF-submitted Success Criteria https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2016JulSep/0451.html (best practice -
15:04:38 <Zakim> ... https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2016JulSep/0451.html)" taken up [from allanj]
15:05:39 <allanj> these are fluid
15:06:49 <laura> Scribe: Laura
15:06:55 <laura> present+ Laura
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15:08:11 <laura> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_2.1_Success_Criteria
15:10:03 <laura> AWK: 3 sets of stuff on the Wiki page.
15:10:15 <laura> …Success Criteria Requirements
15:10:44 <laura> Acceptance Criteria for proposals for new Success Criteria or to change existing Success Criteria
15:12:13 <AWK> draft: https://github.com/w3c/wcag21/wiki/Proposals-for-new-Success-Criteria
15:13:16 <allanj> above is a mock up of a Proposed SC
15:13:29 <laura> …some proposals may be long others may not be as long.
15:14:14 <laura> JR: each SC should be binary?
15:14:20 <laura> AWK: yes
15:15:52 <laura> …need testable statements.
15:17:16 <laura> JR: COGA hasn't really been constructing binary SCs
15:17:31 <laura> Wayne: I noticed that.
15:17:44 <laura> AWK: it is something we need to work out.
15:18:33 <laura> AWK: Wiki page is what we are viewing as a template.
15:19:29 <laura> AWK: need to base SC on good evidence.
15:19:50 <laura> …last setion on Wiki page is: Success Criteria Best Practice Guidelines
15:20:55 <laura> ……Best Practices are not things we will be rejecting SCs on.
15:21:18 <laura> …we will try to improve them in the process.
15:21:58 <allanj> laura: shall vs should
15:22:57 <laura> AWK: shall = must
15:25:56 <laura> …should = should
15:26:31 <laura> Jim: should we be following 1219 for SCs
15:26:37 <laura> AWK: yes
15:26:38 <allanj> rfc 2119 must be used in SC - https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt
15:27:48 <laura> Jim: thank AWK
15:28:24 <JohnRochford> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/WCAG_2.1 has placeholders for the TF SCs
15:28:25 <laura> AWK: WCAG 2.1 Success Criteria wiki page should be finalized next week.
15:29:41 <laura> Zakim, next item
15:29:41 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, laura
15:30:09 <laura> q?
15:30:18 <laura> ack laura
15:30:22 <laura> Zakim, next item
15:30:22 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Gap analysis updated - existing SCs http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-SC/GapAnalysis-SC.html" taken up [from allanj]
15:33:32 <laura> Jim: Gap analysis is now in proprer space.
15:34:29 <laura> …need SCs by december
15:37:26 <laura> …3.1.1 Brightness Overall  defer to silver
15:37:56 <laura> …something hardware should do.
15:38:12 <laura> Shawn: not for 2.1
15:38:22 <laura> 3.1.2 Text Contrast Users can set the background color and the text color from the full color spectrum.
15:39:14 <laura> Jim: wording we came up with a couple weeks ago.
15:39:36 <laura> Shawn: copy edit is needed.
15:39:42 <laura> Jim: got it.
15:40:49 <scottm> this: http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-SC/GapAnalysis-SC.html
15:41:42 <laura> Jim: is this one we can put in template?
15:42:07 <laura> JR: what do we mean by system?
15:42:27 <laura> …why not say device?
15:42:57 <laura> shawn: perhaps say OS?
15:43:19 <laura> JR: User Agent?
15:44:56 <laura> …OS is too ambiguous.
15:45:20 <laura> AWK: sometimes things are not done by the OS.
15:46:30 <laura> Jim: would platform cover it?
15:47:32 <laura> Jim: OS
15:48:51 <allanj> laura: is this for silver? how would authors do this? What the technique?
15:49:22 <allanj> good point, Laura
15:49:31 <laura> wayne: author style sheet.
15:52:14 <allanj> can authors can defer to the browser setting for foreground and background.
15:54:09 <allanj> we don't expect authors to write a stylesheet editor for their sites.
15:54:39 <laura> wayne: we can have a failure technique for not removing backgound images.
15:54:56 <allanj> text - For the visual presentation of blocks of text, a mechanism is available so that users can select foreground and background colors from the full range of colors available on the operating system.
15:55:47 <laura> Scott: won’t work for flash.
15:56:03 <laura> AWK: could be available in fash.
15:56:25 <laura> …not worried about this use case.
15:56:48 <laura> …authors need to make sure this works.
15:57:51 <laura> shawn: are we comforable only scope to blocks of text?
15:58:15 <laura> wayne: we should use all text.
15:59:58 <JohnRochford> +1 to "text", not "blocks of text"
16:00:05 <laura> AWK: maybe we should send it through saying all text.
16:00:12 <JohnRochford> Gotta go, folks. Ciao.
16:00:27 <allanj> proposed text - For the visual presentation of text, a mechanism is available so that users can select foreground and background colors from the full range of colors available on the operating system. (Level AA)
16:01:06 <shawn> A mechanism is available for users to select foreground and background colors of text from the full range of colors available on the system.
16:01:24 <laura> AWK: apple may have some concern.
16:02:16 <laura> …engineering needs to happen to meet it.
16:04:24 <shawn> A mechanism is available for users to select foreground and background colors of text from the full range of colors available on the operating system.
16:05:23 <laura> wayne: need to think of accessibility support.
16:05:57 <laura> Scott: whose responsibility is it?
16:06:08 <laura> Shawn: authors.
16:06:37 <laura> …in HTML it is done by browsers. but not in flash.
16:06:48 <laura> wayne: not that simple.
16:06:53 <shawn> Text Colors: A mechanism is available for users to select foreground and background colors of text from the full range of colors available on the operating system.
16:07:03 <shawn> ^^^ adds handle "Text Colors"
16:08:26 <laura> RESOLUTION: Text Colors: A mechanism is available for users to select foreground and background colors of text from the full range of colors available on the operating system.
16:08:48 <laura> Shawn: A or AA?
16:09:10 <Wayne> AA
16:09:11 <scottm> AA
16:09:42 <AWK> Not AAA
16:09:55 <laura> AA
16:10:30 <laura> 3.1.3 Not Relying on Color Color is not the only visual means of conveying information, indicating an action, prompting a response, or distinguishing a visual element.
16:10:56 <laura> Jim: No gap for 3.13
16:11:57 <laura> 3.2.1 Rewrap for One Direction Scrolling
16:12:13 <scottm> 3..2..1..contact!
16:12:38 <laura> Jim: lot of proposals. WCAG 1.4.8 change to (AA)
16:12:58 <laura> wayne: AWK had propsed text.
16:13:08 <AWK> q+ to suggest that this item should be discussed with COGA and MATF to avoid redundant work
16:14:16 <allanj> ack, a
16:14:19 <allanj> ack a
16:14:19 <Zakim> AWK, you wanted to suggest that this item should be discussed with COGA and MATF to avoid redundant work
16:14:22 <laura> AWK: 2.0 is still 200%
16:14:54 <laura> wayne: google docs only gives 200%
16:15:30 <laura> AWK: may want to coordinate with other TFs.
16:17:09 <laura> Jim: 3.2.2 Reflow to Single Column Users can set blocks of text in one continuous block, instead of in multiple columns.
16:17:19 <laura> jim: we have 2
16:17:29 <allanj> Blocks of text can be displayed as a single column. (Level A)
16:17:31 <allanj> and
16:17:32 <allanj> Users can choose to have all content linearized in a single column, with the same primary alignment. (Level AA)
16:18:23 <laura> wayne: shouldn't limit to blocks of text.
16:21:37 <laura> …everything should be able to be \ displayed as a single column.
16:22:36 <laura> …pictures, videos, everything.
16:22:57 <laura> jim: web page?
16:23:03 <laura> wayne: yes.
16:23:38 <laura> jim: is turning off css acceptable?
16:23:45 <laura> wayne: no
16:23:49 <allanj> Web page can be displayed as a single column.
16:24:31 <laura> Jim: reader mode is a mechanism
16:24:46 <AWK> content (Web content) information and sensory experience to be communicated to the user by means of a user agent, including code or markup that defines the content's structure, presentation, and interactions
16:25:32 <allanj> WCAG def "content (Web content)" -  information and sensory experience to be communicated to the user by means of a user agent, including code or markup that defines the content's structure, presentation, and interactions
16:26:38 <laura> jim: content can be displayed as a single column.
16:27:12 <laura> …exceptions: data tables and images?
16:31:14 <laura> jim: will put this in a template.
16:32:07 <laura> …in wiki and we can go from there.
16:33:10 <laura> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:44:07 <laura> trackbot, end meeting
16:44:07 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:44:07 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Shawn, Jim, Wayne, JohnRochford, allanj, Laura
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