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18:31:52 <tzviya> present+ Tzviya
18:32:05 <fesch> present+ fesch
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18:36:52 <fesch> scribe: fesch
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18:37:14 <fesch> zakim, take up item 1
18:37:14 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
18:38:22 <Judy> agenda+ Confirming scribe and any agenda additions
18:38:22 <Judy> agenda+ PUBS: Upcoming publications, announcements, discussion threads to promote, including on WAI IG?
18:38:22 <Judy> agenda+ FYI: Twitter chat last week with Webex.
18:38:22 <Judy> agenda+ TPAC: Any last schedule or logistics adjustments?
18:38:23 <Judy> agenda+ TAG/ARIA discussion: update on recent discussion?
18:38:23 <Judy> agenda+ RQTF: Checking for any follow up on RQTF CAPTCHA thread?
18:38:24 <Judy> agenda+ TFs: any TF updates? Conformance accessibility testing, other?
18:38:26 <Judy> agenda+ Updates on accessibility and EME?
18:38:30 <Judy> agenda+ Liaisons: needs in Community Groups, new WGs, Workshops?
18:38:32 <Judy> agenda+ Any other business?
18:38:35 <Judy> agenda+ Next meeting: date, and requested topics
18:38:37 <fesch> zakim, take up item 1
18:38:37 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Confirming scribe and any agenda additions" taken up [from Judy]
18:38:54 <fesch> zakim, close item
18:38:54 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', fesch
18:38:56 <Judy> Zakim, close item 1
18:38:56 <Zakim> agendum 1, Confirming scribe and any agenda additions, closed
18:38:57 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:38:57 <Zakim> 2. PUBS: Upcoming publications, announcements, discussion threads to promote, including on WAI IG? [from Judy]
18:39:03 <fesch> zakim, next item
18:39:03 <Zakim> agendum 2. "PUBS: Upcoming publications, announcements, discussion threads to promote, including on WAI IG?" taken up [from Judy]
18:40:03 <MichaelC> MichaelC has changed the topic to: topic: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m72f195aa2aafb9233d129a75a3523470  Access code:649 617 323
18:40:18 <fesch> gk: epub conformance and epub 3
18:40:31 <tzviya> s/epub 3/epub 3.1
18:41:18 <fesch> fe: will have graphics pubs, but they are only heartbeats
18:41:36 <fesch> js: expecting COGA ...
18:41:56 <fesch> mc: COGA docs in bottleneck graphics docs will be joining
18:42:13 <MichaelC> present+ MichaelC
18:42:39 <Judy> agenda?
18:43:02 <fesch> jb: whether RQ task force needs to be on the discussion list
18:43:10 <MichaelC> q+
18:43:36 <Judy> Zakim, drop item 3
18:43:36 <Zakim> agendum 3, FYI: Twitter chat last week with Webex., dropped
18:43:41 <fesch> js: before Monday we will have a follow up message
18:43:49 <fesch> on RQ TF
18:44:01 <Judy> agenda+ FYI: Twitter chat last week with White House
18:44:16 <tzviya> q+
18:44:26 <MichaelC> ack me
18:44:47 <fesch> mc: WAI interest group  ... have been struggling with invited expert process
18:45:03 <fesch> jb: do we need to clarify the process?
18:45:19 <fesch> mc: I wrote it, not the best person to review
18:45:58 <fesch> tz: a focus group on personalization... that is of interest to dpub
18:46:17 <fesch> jb: I thought captcha was a solo issue
18:47:11 <fesch> js: personalization and new authentication methods were 2 separate issues
18:47:34 <fesch> js: not sure about asking an unformed group about personalization ...
18:47:48 <tzviya> ack me
18:47:59 <fesch> js: do you want to jump start that with RQTF?
18:49:05 <fesch> jb: could do a general invitation,  with only 1 thing...   if you message on 2 things it might give a broader view of what they will be doing
18:49:25 <Judy> agenda?
18:49:28 <fesch> zakim, next item
18:49:31 <Zakim> agendum 4. "TPAC: Any last schedule or logistics adjustments?" taken up [from Judy]
18:49:58 <fesch> jb: any adjustments -- other than RQTF?
18:51:15 <fesch> zakim, next item
18:51:15 <Zakim> agendum 5. "TAG/ARIA discussion: update on recent discussion?" taken up [from Judy]
18:52:40 <fesch> mc: rich and I met with TAG... big part education session explained how ARIA works and use cases...
18:54:08 <fesch> zakim, next item
18:54:08 <Zakim> agendum 6. "RQTF: Checking for any follow up on RQTF CAPTCHA thread?" taken up [from Judy]
18:56:06 <fesch> js: I was going to jump start low hanging fruit... and we had a note 11 years ago... and that was the gist of the post
18:56:41 <fesch> js: the message did mention 4 areas of research - personalization, captcha...
18:56:58 <fesch> js: would like to have Jason respond...
18:57:27 <fesch> zakim, close item
18:57:27 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', fesch
18:58:01 <fesch> zakim, take up item 5
18:58:01 <Zakim> agendum 5. "TAG/ARIA discussion: update on recent discussion?" taken up [from Judy]
18:58:08 <MichaelC> https://pad.w3ctag.org/p/2016-07-29
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18:58:34 <fesch> mc: also discussed accessibility API's before we talked
18:58:44 <Kathy> present+ Kathy
18:59:00 <Judy> q+
18:59:27 <fesch> mc: ARIA was education for them, touched on topic of whether ARIA should try to cover everything in HTML and every host language
18:59:54 <fesch> mc: ARIA doesn't have any solution other than updating specs
19:00:22 <fesch> mc: extensability would require UA support, TAG interested in that
19:00:48 <fesch> mc: then we might need a comprehensive API... don't have that, may take years to do
19:01:25 <fesch> mc: would be years before extensability mechanism could replace ARIA, next steps a draft requirement for ARIA 2 before TPAC
19:01:58 <fesch> mc: planning to talk about how it impacts dPub, but did not come up
19:02:25 <fesch> jb: what is the status with dPub... on this
19:02:39 <fesch> ts: meeting tomorrow will discuss
19:03:21 <fesch> jb: did you say the TAG was talking about AAPIs before, are they aware that it is the same WG?
19:03:55 <fesch> mc: they didn't tell us - mostly a conversation between a Mozilla and MicroSoft person
19:04:21 <fesch> mc: when we talked about a general discussion  - they didn't mention it
19:04:24 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/2015/10/aria-charter.html#deliverables
19:04:36 <fesch> jb: sometimes TAG is used to scout issues...
19:05:42 <fesch> jb: part of the purpose of TAG
19:06:07 <fesch> jb: there may still be keyboard access isusses
19:06:36 <fesch> mc: talked briefly, but was a tangent, no solutions came up, didn't get through list of issues I prepared
19:06:39 <Judy> agenda?
19:06:56 <Judy> zakim, close item 6
19:06:56 <Zakim> agendum 6, RQTF: Checking for any follow up on RQTF CAPTCHA thread?, closed
19:06:58 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:06:58 <Zakim> 7. TFs: any TF updates? Conformance accessibility testing, other? [from Judy]
19:07:06 <fesch> zakim, next item
19:07:06 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, fesch
19:07:13 <Judy> q?
19:07:17 <Judy> ack j
19:07:20 <fesch> zakim, next item
19:07:20 <Zakim> agendum 7. "TFs: any TF updates? Conformance accessibility testing, other?" taken up [from Judy]
19:07:43 <fesch> jb: mobile is going well
19:08:22 <fesch> jb: any TF chairs have issues not being covered?
19:08:43 <fesch> jb: would like an update on testing
19:09:39 <fesch> andrew: not a lot has happened since the first conversation
19:10:06 <fesch> awk: problem getting people scheduled
19:10:42 <fesch> awk: can the testing person come back next week?
19:11:11 <Judy> agenda?
19:11:16 <fesch> s/awk/jb/
19:11:23 <fesch> zakim, next item
19:11:23 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Updates on accessibility and EME?" taken up [from Judy]
19:11:28 <MichaelC> s/mc: rich and I met with TAG/mc: rich, Léonie, and I met with TAG/
19:12:03 <fesch> gk: saw a task force that would be working on generated text in CSS... not sure of the task force
19:12:34 <fesch> gk: not sure daisy has resources to do a TF  would be happy to drop in when needed
19:13:10 <tzviya> q+
19:13:10 <fesch> js: this is a proposed task force between CSS, ARIA and APA...
19:13:43 <fesch> js: TF may covered by the CSS charter
19:14:05 <MichaelC> s/agendum 8. "Updates on accessibility and EME?" taken up [from Judy]//
19:14:40 <fesch> awk: if resources can be called upon from time to time for a specific agenda item, that might be an effective way to get bang for the buck
19:15:15 <fesch> ts: 95% sure there will be a dPub TF member in the CSS A11Y TF
19:15:45 <fesch> gk: can you or whoever let us know when there is an issue of interest
19:15:58 <tzviya> q-
19:16:47 <fesch> js: may want a low traffic way to notify people - also waiting for ARIA 1.1 to get finished
19:17:27 <fesch> jb: a critical task force to get people engaged in
19:17:35 <fesch> zakim, take up item 8
19:17:35 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Updates on accessibility and EME?" taken up [from Judy]
19:17:49 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Encrypted_Media_Extensions
19:18:17 <fesch> jb: item somewhat overtaken by events
19:18:18 <MichaelC> q+
19:18:46 <fesch> jb: APA reviews docs ... was planning on looking again at EME
19:19:20 <fesch> jb: left on agenda in case folks have concerns, they can channel to APA
19:19:31 <MichaelC> ack me
19:19:50 <fesch> mc: APA had this on the radar,  and we decided that we don't have any concerns and would close the review
19:20:11 <fesch> mc: since then I have seen some posts...
19:20:21 <fesch> mc: and we may want to reopen it
19:21:41 <MichaelC> q+
19:21:47 <fesch> js:  discussed history, worth a look... from use cases in MAUR... now with dPub in the mix, maybe want to look at it from that perspective
19:22:27 <fesch> jb: please keep me updated on this... may have to respond publicly on this
19:22:43 <MichaelC> ack me
19:22:51 <fesch> mc: pointers in wiki page, can send them to Janina
19:23:34 <fesch> mc: one camp is concerned that AT will be locked out, another camp is AT only needs to follow framework
19:23:49 <fesch> mc: may not have consensus on that
19:24:37 <fesch> gk: readium group is looking at LCP encryption ... that is desirable from a library perspective...
19:24:56 <fesch> gk: and the cost of LCP is free or low cost...
19:25:23 <tzviya> http://readium.org/projects/readium-lcp
19:25:24 <fesch> ts: dPub specs don't say anything about encryption
19:25:57 <Judy> agenda?
19:26:50 <fesch> jb: is there things we need to document?
19:26:59 <fesch> zakim, take up item 9
19:26:59 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Liaisons: needs in Community Groups, new WGs, Workshops?" taken up [from Judy]
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19:27:24 <fesch> js: we brought it up in APA...
19:27:45 <fesch> jb: did it get in on the WIA interest groups?
19:28:26 <fesch> kh: nothing happened on the VR workshop
19:28:54 <fesch> kh: i think someone was interested and then unable to go...
19:30:09 <fesch> jb: would be good to give folks an idea of what W3C workshops are... key opportunities to think about accessibility early in the process
19:30:30 <fesch> kh: not about being a liason?
19:30:52 <fesch> jb: nothing to be a liaison with yet.
19:31:21 <fesch> jb: I would like to know if anyone in VR is working on accessibility
19:32:11 <fesch> jb: what happens is a company may send a couple of key folks... if they hear about accessibility at the workshop...
19:32:28 <fesch> kh: then we want to ask for use cases
19:32:48 <fesch> jb: would be happy to work on a message
19:33:06 <fesch> jb: web of things has a working group coming along
19:33:11 <Judy> agenda?
19:33:23 <fesch> zakim, close item 8
19:33:23 <Zakim> agendum 8, Updates on accessibility and EME?, closed
19:33:24 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:33:24 <Zakim> 9. Liaisons: needs in Community Groups, new WGs, Workshops? [from Judy]
19:33:44 <fesch> zakim, next item
19:33:44 <Zakim> agendum 10. "Any other business?" taken up [from Judy]
19:34:14 <fesch> zakim, take up item 12
19:34:14 <Zakim> agendum 12. "FYI: Twitter chat last week with White House" taken up [from Judy]
19:34:27 <Judy> https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Promotion_and_Outreach_Misc#28_July_2016_Twitter_chat_with_White_House_folks
19:34:42 <fesch> jb: had tweets from whitehouse
19:34:54 <Ryladog> yeah!!
19:35:15 <fesch> jb: to participate as the featured item
19:35:23 <fesch> for tweets
19:36:07 <fesch> jb: some was replied with different hash tags, invited questions,
19:36:30 <fesch> jb: got us about 39K exposure to tweets
19:37:08 <fesch> jb: some folks hadn't heard of it... and follow up questions for a day or so
19:37:16 <Judy> agenda?
19:37:21 <fesch> zakim, next item
19:37:21 <Zakim> agendum 10. "Any other business?" taken up [from Judy]
19:37:29 <fesch> zakim, take up item 13
19:37:29 <Zakim> I only see 12 items on the agenda
19:37:50 <fesch> zakim, take up item 10
19:37:50 <Zakim> agendum 10. "Any other business?" taken up [from Judy]
19:38:14 <fesch> jb: next meeting in two weeks - any major conficts?
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19:38:28 <Judy> August 17th?
19:38:39 <fesch> MC and GK are traveling
19:38:45 <Kathy> I am travelling too
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19:39:16 <Kim> present+
19:39:27 <Judy> present+ Judy
19:39:38 <Kim> Present+ Kim
19:39:58 <Judy> rrsagent, make logs public
19:40:03 <fesch> rrsagent, make minutes
19:40:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/08/03-waicc-minutes.html fesch
19:40:46 <fesch> present?
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19:41:56 <fesch> rrsagent, make minutes
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