12:59:28 RRSAgent has joined #dwbp 12:59:28 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/07/29-dwbp-irc 12:59:30 RRSAgent, make logs 351 12:59:30 Zakim has joined #dwbp 12:59:32 Zakim, this will be DWBP 12:59:32 ok, trackbot 12:59:33 Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference 12:59:33 Date: 29 July 2016 12:59:53 PWinstanley: now, though I'm afraid I won't be joining the group 13:00:01 ok 13:00:35 RRSAgent, make lots public 13:00:35 I'm logging. I don't understand 'make lots public', hadleybeeman. Try /msg RRSAgent help 13:00:56 RRSAgent, make logs public 13:01:50 RiccardoAlbertoni has joined #DWBP 13:02:09 Caroline has joined #DWBP 13:02:20 EricKauz has joined #dwbp 13:03:48 annette_g has joined #dwbp 13:04:42 antoine has joined #dwbp 13:05:41 present+ antoine 13:06:02 present+ annette_g 13:06:27 BernadetteLoscio has joined #dwbp 13:06:49 Makx has joined #dwbp 13:06:49 hello! 13:06:56 hi! 13:07:02 hello 13:07:04 present+ RiccardoAlbertoni 13:08:00 Hello! 13:08:18 hi 13:08:31 no audio! 13:11:44 laufer has joined #dwbp 13:12:13 present+ laufer 13:12:38 present+ BernadetteLoscio 13:13:52 following the instruction on the agenda page.. 13:14:01 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Status_of_comments_about_the_last_call_working_draft 13:14:18 trackbot, start meeting 13:14:20 RRSAgent, make logs 351 13:14:22 Zakim, this will be DWBP 13:14:22 ok, trackbot 13:14:23 Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference 13:14:23 Date: 29 July 2016 13:17:48 q+ 13:17:54 q? 13:17:56 q- 13:22:46 q- 13:23:06 Caroline has joined #DWBP 13:23:19 Present+ Caroline 13:23:39 scribe: annette_g 13:23:40 no :) 13:23:43 we are here! 13:24:19 BernadetteLoscio: let's discuss the suggestions from the I18n group 13:24:41 annette_g: comment 11 looks easy, just a spelling correction 13:25:03 BernadetteLoscio: look at 13 13:25:35 BernadetteLoscio: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Status_of_comments_about_the_last_call_working_draft 13:25:56 BernadetteLoscio: annette, can you send a message to the I18n group to clarify? 13:26:00 annette_g: yes 13:26:13 q? 13:26:15 BernadetteLoscio: comments 15 and 16 are also about locale parameters 13:27:05 The WG feels that BP3 should include a reference or recommendation to consistently use BCP47 as the standard for language and locale identification and, informatively, to CLDR as the source for both representing specific localized formats and as a reference for specific locale data values. 13:27:05 BernadetteLoscio: for 15, we can include a recommendation to reference BCP47 in the implementation section 13:28:18 PROPOSED: that we add a reference to IETF BCP 47 to BP 3 in the implementation section. 13:28:41 +1 13:28:42 +1 13:28:45 +1 13:28:49 +1 13:28:58 +1 13:29:11 +1 13:29:38 yes I am trying to get the right windows open on my screen 13:29:46 +0 - need to see if there are relations with the other comment 13:29:58 can someone send URL of BP3 please 13:30:10 https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#metadata 13:31:21 OK.. 13:31:27 antoine: my concern is that there may be something in the BP that conflicts with this. 13:31:39 I disagree that language should be indicated by langauge codes 13:31:44 Caroline: we can address issues that arise in a later meeting. 13:32:26 antoine: I wouldn't want to have an example in example 17 that conflicts with the one in example 3. 13:32:44 DCAT for example indicates language by URI that represents the language so the example is correct ... 13:33:51 BernadetteLoscio: we are consistent right now in example 3 and example 15. 13:34:04 s/example 17/example 15 13:35:07 q? 13:36:06 Example 15 should read: "The Library of Congress publishes URIs for languages (see [ISO639-1-LOC]" There are not language codes but URIs for languages -- which make a difference in Linked Data. 13:36:29 BernadetteLoscio: I'm going to send a message to the I18N asking if what they are suggesting is okay with our examples. We also need to ask them to clarify the above. 13:36:30 s/There/These 13:37:53 RESOLVED: that we add a reference to IETF BCP 47 to BP 3 in the implementation section. 13:38:16 BernadetteLoscio: we will also get clarification from the I18N group as well. 13:38:26 q? 13:38:42 Please note that ISO 639-1 defines itself as "Codes for the representation of *names* of languages", not "Codes for the representation of languages" 13:38:56 BernadetteLoscio: next, comment 16 13:40:04 BernadetteLoscio: this is about the need to tag natural language text with a natural language tag. 13:40:29 Comment 16 is about direction of scripts 13:40:32 annette_g: I think we could add that to the implementation section 13:41:07 The ask for acknowledging that this is a known problem without a good solution 13:41:26 Let's acknolwledge that. 13:41:44 q+ 13:42:01 BernadetteLoscio: they say there is currently no good mechanism to indicate base direction. 13:42:07 +1 to acknowledge the problem 13:42:17 Caroline: I think they want us to just mention that this is a problem. 13:42:18 ack Caroline 13:42:55 annette_g: they are still saying that we should recommend people tag the language itself. 13:43:38 BernadetteLoscio: so should we just mention that this is an unsolved problem? or that there is no standard way to solve it? 13:44:07 annette_g: I think we can do that along with saying that you can tag the language. 13:44:18 BernadetteLoscio: can you write a paragraph that we can include? 13:44:24 annette_g: I can give that a try 13:44:46 I think we should say all text need to be tagged. I always do that in specs. 13:45:29 BernadetteLoscio: it always helps to give them a concrete suggestion. 13:47:06 action to annette_g to write a message to i18n group to clarify the comment 13 13:47:07 Error finding 'to'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:47:24 action to annette to write a message to i18n group to clarify the comment 13 13:47:24 Error finding 'to'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:47:53 action to annette_g write a message to i18n group to clarify the comment 13 13:47:53 Error finding 'to'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:48:51 action to BernadetteLoscio update the document according to comment 15 and send a message to i18n goup 13:48:51 Error finding 'to'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:49:11 action BernadetteLoscio update the document according to comment 15 and send a message to i18n goup 13:49:12 Created ACTION-291 - Update the document according to comment 15 and send a message to i18n goup [on Bernadette Farias Loscio - due 2016-08-05]. 13:49:44 action annette_g write a message to i18n group to clarify the comment 13 13:49:44 Created ACTION-292 - Write a message to i18n group to clarify the comment 13 [on Annette Greiner - due 2016-08-05]. 13:50:23 action annette_g update the document according to comment 16 - explain that the text should be tagged 13:50:23 Created ACTION-293 - Update the document according to comment 16 - explain that the text should be tagged [on Annette Greiner - due 2016-08-05]. 13:51:17 BernadetteLoscio: Antoine, what do you think about comment 17? 13:51:37 +1 to Antoine 13:51:59 q+ 13:52:05 antoine: I suggested two options and I suggest we go with the simpler one. Replace the word country by language. 13:52:28 BernadetteLoscio: this is example 15 13:52:41 ack Makx 13:53:36 Makx: what the library of congress publishes is URIs for languages, so my proposal is to say the LoC publishes URIs for languages. 13:54:08 q? 13:54:48 Makx: we should avoid opening the can of worms about the names of languages versus the languages themselves. 13:55:43 suggested text: "The Library of Congress publishes lists of ISO 639 languages as Linked Data (see [ISO639-1-LOC] for two-letter codes):" 13:55:57 +1 13:56:02 +1 13:56:09 +1 13:56:56 PROPOSED: that we use Makx's suggested text for example 15, of "The Library of Congress publishes lists of ISO 639 languages as Linked Data (see [ISO639-1-LOC] for two-letter codes". 13:57:06 +1 13:57:07 +1 13:57:17 +1 13:57:19 +1 13:57:46 +1 13:57:50 +1 13:57:58 +1 13:58:03 RESOLVED: that we use Makx's suggested text for example 15, of "The Library of Congress publishes lists of ISO 639 languages as Linked Data (see [ISO639-1-LOC] for two-letter codes". 13:59:03 It was Antoine's proposal! 13:59:22 BernadetteLoscio: let's look at comment 12. Should we include a new benefit or just mention it in the introduction? 13:59:42 annette_g: I feel like it should be a minor mention 14:00:00 BernadetteLoscio: I think we should put it in the "why" section. what do you think? 14:00:02 q? 14:00:05 annette_g: I agree. 14:00:16 +1 14:00:59 PROPOSED: That we add a mention in the Why section to BP13 that most machine-readable standardized formats are also locale neutral. 14:01:06 +1 14:01:08 +1 14:01:10 +1 14:01:13 +1 14:01:18 +1 14:01:31 RESOLVED: That we add a mention in the Why section to BP13 that most machine-readable standardized formats are also locale neutral. 14:02:21 we can add that. 14:02:33 https://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/#metadata 14:02:37 BernadetteLoscio: last comment is comment 18. They say that in BPs 1, 2, and 3 we say metadata must be provided for both humans and computers, but we don't say that it should be provided in multiple languages. I think we should add this in section 8.2 14:03:07 +q 14:03:15 but only metadata? 14:03:38 annette_g: we can't tell people to use all the languages of the world. 14:03:55 We do not say that the datsets should be provided in multiple languages... 14:04:11 ack Makx 14:04:29 BernadetteLoscio: we can say multiple languages and include the language of the user 14:04:56 I think laufer has a point that "We do not say that the datsets should be provided in multiple languages." 14:04:58 q? 14:04:58 antoine: I think we should do only the first part 14:05:09 q+ 14:05:28 ack antoine 14:05:42 +1 to makx 14:06:20 Makx: I think we should do both 14:06:49 BernadetteLoscio: can you send a message with a proposal? 14:07:03 bye all... nice to meet you again... 14:07:05 Makx okay, I will 14:07:23 how to record the minutes 14:07:29 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:07:48 good week end! 14:07:55 thank you all!