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16:27:16 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
16:27:16 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
16:27:16 <Rich> chair: Rich
16:27:17 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
16:27:17 <trackbot> Date: 28 July 2016
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16:29:45 <Rich> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2016Jul/0184.html
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16:30:26 <JF> Present+ JF
16:31:07 <jemma> present+ JaEunJemmaKu
16:31:53 <MichielBijl> present+ MichielBijl
16:32:14 <Rich> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:32:17 <janina> scribe: janina
16:33:09 <clown> present+  Joseph_Scheuhammer
16:33:16 <janina> topic: Working Draft Status
16:34:01 <janina> rs: No substantive feedback any longer
16:34:15 <janina> rs: Main issue is test cases
16:34:48 <janina> rs: CfC's on SVG OK, decision email soon
16:35:12 <janina> rs: One comment on Graphics module, should go soon after Michael returns
16:35:17 <janina> topic; TPAC
16:35:25 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2016/registrants#ARIA
16:35:29 <janina> rs: Will have great participation
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16:35:49 <janina> rs: Many participants in additionn to the usual suspects
16:36:01 <janina> rs: Many observer requests--all responded to
16:36:09 <janina> rs: Hope there's enough space!
16:36:29 <janina> rs: Will now be working on agenda draft
16:36:44 <janina> rs: Will meet with TAG at some point, other cross group meetings
16:39:46 <janina> rs: Also Web Apps and COGA
16:39:58 <janina> jf: What about authentication?
16:40:06 <janina> rs: An APA issue
16:40:27 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2016
16:41:23 <janina> janina: Will ask that Security meet with us. There's lots a11y pressure to move beyond passwd, but it's not for WAI to define password successors
16:41:56 <janina> cyns: Asks about CSS?
16:42:32 <janina> janina: Will have a joint meeting, I expect
16:43:43 <janina> topic: Issues & Actions
16:43:44 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/17
16:43:59 <clown> issue-648
16:43:59 <trackbot> issue-648 -- Role computation with native host language semantics -- open
16:43:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/648
16:44:26 <janina> rs: Expect this is OBE
16:45:53 <janina> rs: If we run into conflicts from Dpub work, we might come back, but otherwise OBE
16:46:26 <janina> rs: Item clean up spec nits ...
16:46:31 <clown> issue-695
16:46:31 <trackbot> issue-695 -- Clean up nits in the ARIA specification -- open
16:46:31 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/695
16:46:53 <clown> action-1567
16:46:53 <trackbot> action-1567 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Fix inconsistencies in linking and styles for properties -- due 2016-05-26 -- OPEN
16:46:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1567
16:47:25 <janina> js: Sees an open action referenced in this issue ...
16:47:37 <clown> issue-106
16:47:37 <trackbot> Sorry, but issue-106 does not exist.
16:47:41 <janina> s/js/clown/
16:47:45 <clown> issue-1106
16:47:45 <trackbot> Sorry, but issue-1106 does not exist.
16:48:20 <janina> rs: Anything left in this?
16:48:33 <janina> rs: Believe should have been closed
16:49:24 <clown> acitin-2085
16:49:30 <clown> action-2085
16:49:30 <trackbot> action-2085 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Create a branch making spinbutton subclass composite -- due 2016-06-23 -- CLOSED
16:49:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2085
16:50:09 <janina> rs: OK, we close this
16:50:45 <janina> rs: Next item ...
16:51:07 <janina> rs: MC has draft exit criteria, but we wait for MC to take it up ...
16:51:14 <clown> action-1723?
16:51:14 <trackbot> action-1723 -- Joanmarie Diggs to Editorial - create sections listing the roles that provide (1) nameFrom:author and (2) nameFrom:contents -- due 2016-03-30 -- OPEN
16:51:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1723
16:51:17 <janina> rs: Seeing editorial items
16:51:32 <janina> rs: Nothing for us today ...
16:51:39 <janina> rs: Looks like all major done!
16:51:51 <janina> rs: Next Item -- Testing
16:51:57 <janina> topic: Testing
16:52:11 <janina> cyns: Meeting set for next week, scheduling conflict
16:52:16 <janina> cyns: Believe it's Wednesday
16:52:40 <janina> cyns: Had good discussion and set actions a couple weeks ago
16:53:21 <janina> cyns: Actions include UIA Connector, getting expected results into machine readable format, a parser for those, etc
16:54:24 <janina> rs: Plan for test cases? test statements?
16:54:27 <JF> Q+
16:54:30 <janina> cyns: Not me on that
16:54:41 <janina> rs: Anyone on IA2? Or Mac?
16:54:48 <janina> cyns: Not so far as I'm aware
16:55:16 <janina> rs: Urgent item is testable statements with expected results -- Will take up with MC
16:55:47 <janina> cyns: Expect to have json format specified by next week -- hopefully
16:55:59 <janina> rs: Regardless, test cases could go forward in parallel
16:56:19 <janina> cyns: Hoping for json in the test cases themselves
16:56:41 <janina> cyns: db would be ok? But current db results not machine readable
16:57:07 <janina> rs: JF, do India people know how to write test cases?
16:57:19 <janina> jf: Generally speaking, yes, but we need examples
16:57:34 <janina> jf: They would benefit from a pattern to follow
16:58:20 <janina> jf: Hope to have sensitivity to meeting times OK for India
16:58:27 <janina> cyns: Hoping we won't need meetings
16:58:39 <janina> jf: But may be of use one or two at least at first
16:59:03 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/
16:59:31 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases?testsuite_id=1
16:59:41 <janina> rs: above examples from aria 1.0
16:59:53 <Rich> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/testharness/testcases?testsuite_id=1
17:01:17 <JF> ack JF
17:01:29 <janina> rs: Anyone able to help write these going forward?
17:01:38 <janina> rs: I'll start
17:01:47 <janina> cyns: Probably after I finish with infrastructure
17:02:08 <jemma> I am happy to help with test case statement
17:02:17 <janina> jf: Think my guys need a walkthrough of what's going on to come up to speed
17:02:28 <janina> jf: Thereafter, they need a list of what needs writing
17:03:18 <janina> [room remembers the pain of writing 1.0 test cases]
17:03:33 <janina> Gema: Can help
17:03:52 <janina> topic: Core AAM Blockers
17:03:54 <jemma> s/Gema/Jemma
17:04:01 <janina> rs: Activie descendent?
17:04:13 <janina> clown: Need to investigate more
17:04:40 <janina> clown: Wen through spec looking a new roles and filed some issues
17:06:38 <janina> clown: missing role mappings feed, figure, and term
17:07:04 <janina> clown, missing properties -- several table, colcount, colindex, colspan, row count, row index, row span
17:07:15 <janina> clown: missing mappings for aria details
17:07:46 <janina> clown: believe some will be easy ...
17:08:28 <clown> action:  Rich to create mappings based on features in HTML 5.1 spec.
17:08:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2102 - Create mappings based on features in html 5.1 spec. [on Richard Schwerdtfeger - due 2016-08-04].
17:08:34 <clown> action-2102
17:08:34 <trackbot> action-2102 -- Richard Schwerdtfeger to Create mappings based on features in html 5.1 spec. -- due 2016-08-04 -- OPEN
17:08:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2102
17:09:59 <janina> clown: having trouble reaching consensus on aria-errormessage
17:10:15 <janina> clown: completes the gap ...
17:10:22 <janina> rs: believe that's it
17:11:46 <janina> rs: Cynthia, when can you look at mappings for Dpub?
17:11:58 <janina> rs: They want to update
17:12:12 <Rich> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/dpub-aam/dpub-aam.html#mapping_role_table
17:12:14 <janina> cyns: Will not implement soon, so will have hard time
17:12:49 <janina> rs: Want to makesure IA2 is aligned with atk/at-spi
17:13:09 <janina> cyns: asking about timeline
17:13:15 <janina> rs: would like in the next month?
17:13:19 <janina> cyns: not promissing
17:13:38 <janina> cyns: May be able to do it while in Lisbon!
17:13:51 <janina> cyns: will try, cannot promise
17:14:27 <janina> cyns: part of the problem is that document structures are hard in uia
17:14:41 <janina> cyns: uia not aimed at docs, and it's complicated to support docs
17:15:23 <clown> if this is the latest IA2 documentation, then landmark isn't documented:  http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/docs/html/_accessible_role_8idl.html
17:15:32 <janina> rs: is role landmark in ia2 spec
17:15:46 <janina> clown: not sure i have latest ia2
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17:18:41 <janina> rs: could dedicate time to writing test cases during tpac
17:19:58 <janina> rs: any other business?
17:20:07 <jemma_> thanks
17:20:08 <janina> [meeting adjournes]
17:20:21 <janina> zakim, bye
17:20:21 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been JF, JaEunJemmaKu, MichielBijl, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Joseph_Scheuhammer
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17:23:30 <janina> regrets: Joanie
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