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13:59:37 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
13:59:37 <trackbot> Date: 27 July 2016
13:59:46 <jtandy> present+ jtandy
14:00:48 <eparsons> present+ eparsons
14:00:50 <ScottSimmons> present+ ScottSimmons
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14:04:16 <jtandy> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:BP-Telecon20160727
14:04:31 <jtandy> billroberts ... are you there?
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14:05:22 <eparsons> wow kudo to ByronCinNZ
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14:06:37 <Linda> scribe: Linda
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14:07:18 <Linda> topic: approve minutes
14:07:24 <ClausStadler> +0 (holidays)
14:07:36 <jtandy> http://www.w3.org/2016/07/13-sdwbp-minutes
14:07:46 <Linda> +1
14:07:47 <ClausStadler> +0 (holidays)
14:07:48 <jtandy> +1
14:07:50 <eparsons> +1
14:07:52 <ScottSimmons> +0 out
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14:08:29 <Linda> jtandy: the minutes are approved
14:08:38 <Linda> topic: patent call
14:09:02 <eparsons> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
14:09:13 <Linda> jtandy: hearing nothing
14:09:26 <jtandy> topic: BP document status
14:09:48 <Linda> jtandy: finally some changes visible in BP editor's draft
14:09:56 <jtandy> http://w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/
14:10:25 <Linda> jtandy: TOC is different, new sections added in front material
14:10:37 <Linda> ... intro has been rewritten, also audience and scope sections,
14:10:52 <Linda> ... new section for explaining diff between spatial things, features and geometry
14:11:15 <Linda> ... new section on linked data (but not necessarily RDF)
14:11:26 <Linda> ... and new section on why SDI's are not enough.
14:12:00 <Linda> ...we think it now better reflects the thoughs of the WG. Feedback welcome!
14:12:34 <Linda> ... audience now mostly focussed on spatial data publishers, but will add a section reminding them they're not doing it for themselves but for data users.
14:12:54 <Linda> ...(data publishers = webby folk and spatial folk)
14:13:41 <jtandy> proposed: the audience of the of the BP doc is data publishers; whether webby or spatial experts
14:14:16 <jtandy> proposed: the audience of the of the BP doc is data publishers; whether webby or spatial experts - including developers writing tools to help people publish spatial data on the web
14:14:31 <jtandy> q?
14:14:46 <jtandy> +1
14:14:51 <Linda> +1
14:14:53 <roba> +1
14:14:55 <ScottSimmons> +1
14:14:56 <ClausStadler> +1
14:14:57 <MattPerry> +1
14:14:58 <eparsons> +1
14:15:03 <ByronCinNZ> +1
14:15:11 <jtandy> resolved: the audience of the of the BP doc is data publishers; whether webby or spatial experts - including developers writing tools to help people publish spatial data on the web
14:15:38 <eparsons> I can scribe
14:16:04 <eparsons> Linda working on chapter that actually contins BP's
14:16:31 <eparsons> Linda reordered to match DWBP doc
14:16:49 <eparsons> Linda e.g starts with metadata, etc...
14:17:32 <eparsons> Linda working through each one, adding examples, matching with DWBP and referencing them
14:17:48 <eparsons> Done for metadata and data quality
14:18:01 <eparsons> jtandy Next steps
14:18:04 <eparsons> ?
14:18:42 <eparsons> Linda Complete all BP's using this process e.g. matching with DWBP - A lot of work however
14:19:17 <eparsons> jtandy Issues that come up will be flagged to the group via the email list
14:19:40 <eparsons> jtandy Thanks for thread contributions so far..
14:20:22 <eparsons> Linda - Comments from Andrea need to chase up - ISO 19115
14:20:35 <jtandy> q?
14:21:47 <jtandy> q+
14:21:49 <eparsons> ByronCinNZ - Will work though ... Metadata publishing is best practice now
14:22:00 <jtandy> ack jtandy
14:22:58 <eparsons> jtandy Choosing encoding different to data...
14:23:13 <eparsons> Linda Continue via email thread...
14:23:23 <jtandy> q?
14:24:05 <Linda> jtandy: I will work on getting the narrative, the flooding scenario, inserted into the document
14:24:24 <Linda> ... on the top of the BP section the narrative will be introduced,
14:24:38 <Linda> ... in each of the BPs themselves there will be examples that come from the narrative,
14:24:51 <Linda> ... appendix will describe the full scenario as a standalone thing
14:25:17 <jtandy> q?
14:25:20 <eparsons> q+
14:25:32 <jtandy> ack eparsons
14:26:17 <Linda> eparsons: some of the BPs might be more important than others, do we want to have ratings, like 1 to 5 stars?
14:26:22 <jtandy> q?
14:26:40 <jtandy> ack roba
14:26:41 <MattPerry> I agree
14:26:58 <Linda> roba: DWBP had these icons signalling the areas a BP covers
14:27:10 <Linda> ... also you could order the sections
14:27:24 <Linda> jtandy: we can use the benefit icons, yes
14:27:46 <Linda> eparsons: slightly different from what I mean, it's more giving some BPs priority over others
14:27:48 <jtandy> q?
14:27:53 <ByronCinNZ> q+
14:28:10 <jtandy> ack ByronCinNZ
14:28:40 <jtandy> q+
14:28:49 <Linda> ByronCinNZ: good idea, but with caution. Depending on what you're publishing, this could change priorities/benefits
14:29:06 <Linda> q+
14:29:26 <jtandy> proposed: we will reuse the "benefit icons" from DWBP to help describe the relative value of each SDW BP
14:29:30 <jtandy> +1
14:29:32 <roba> q+
14:29:35 <Linda> +1
14:29:36 <MattPerry> +1
14:29:39 <eparsons> +1
14:29:43 <ByronCinNZ> +1
14:30:00 <jtandy> ack roba
14:30:26 <Linda> roba: can we have extra benefit icons?
14:30:40 <Linda> (no specific suggestions)
14:30:46 <Linda> jtandy: yes
14:30:59 <jtandy> ack Linda
14:31:49 <Linda> Linda: priorities: are these steps?
14:33:01 <jtandy> ack jtandy
14:33:04 <Linda> eparsons: yes, needs discussion, not necessarily less to more difficult, but less to more beneficial.
14:33:46 <Linda> jtandy: I hope the narrative will help in giving guidance on what to do in a concrete case.
14:34:28 <Linda> eparsons: yes, probably the easiest way to manage it.
14:35:02 <Linda> ... to get maximum benefit to readers of this document we need to make clear which are the key messages
14:35:12 <ByronCinNZ> q+
14:35:29 <Linda> ...URIs, linking, ...
14:35:44 <jtandy> q?
14:35:48 <jtandy> ack ByronCinNZ
14:37:13 <Linda> ByronCinNZ: maybe useful to have a matrix at the end matching different data types to bp's important for publishing that type of data.
14:38:03 <ByronCinNZ> action: to create a matrix of datatypes related to best practices
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14:39:03 <ByronCinNZ> action: ByronCinNZ to create a matrix of datatypes related to best practices for inclusion in BP document
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14:40:29 <Linda> jtandy: schedule: we intend to have a clean editor's draft by beginning of september
14:40:38 <ByronCinNZ> action: Byron Cochrane to create a matrix of datatypes related to best practices for inclusion in BP document
14:40:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-189 - Cochrane to create a matrix of datatypes related to best practices for inclusion in bp document [on Byron Cochrane - due 2016-08-03].
14:40:44 <Linda> ... 7th september
14:41:05 <Linda> ... between then and up to and including TPAC have WG discussion around the new draft;
14:41:25 <Linda> ... also discuss whether we agree that BPs exist in the wild,
14:41:35 <Linda> ... and vote for publication during TPAC or shortly after
14:42:06 <jtandy> q?
14:42:26 <jtandy> topic: BP for choosing the right data format and/or vocabulary
14:42:44 <jtandy> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2016Jul/0238.html
14:43:43 <roba> q+
14:43:45 <Linda> jtandy: this BP should help people choose the right format and vocabulary, in the form of a decision tree  if that will work
14:43:59 <jtandy> q?
14:44:03 <jtandy> ack roba
14:44:52 <Linda> roba: BP could be to publish in as many formats as your audience finds useful, but let at least one of them be RDF
14:45:28 <Linda> jtandy: and RDF might be only SKOS or might beJSON-LD, right
14:46:23 <Linda> roba: be flexible and deliver multiple formats
14:46:53 <Linda> jtandy: through content negotiation
14:46:58 <eparsons> q+
14:47:39 <Linda> jtandy: any advice on which serialisation of RDF?
14:47:48 <jtandy> q?
14:47:52 <jtandy> ack eparsons
14:48:46 <Linda> eparsons: maybe going too far to suggest RDF is the end game. Choose data formats that are linkable.
14:48:50 <jtandy> q?
14:48:57 <Linda> ... telling people you must use RDF will put them off
14:49:31 <Linda> jtandy: what about schema.org in JSON-LD?
14:49:53 <roba> q+
14:50:00 <Linda> eparsons: that gets you somewhere, more accessible than RDF
14:50:49 <jtandy> ack roba
14:50:49 <Linda> jtandy: we are asking to provide schema.org in the BP.
14:51:14 <Linda> roba: endorses eparsons.
14:52:00 <Linda> ... linking capability and being able to annotate types
14:52:54 <Linda> jtandy: when choosing a format criteria are e.g. dimensionality of the data, CRS other than WGS84,
14:53:14 <Linda> ... toolchain of target community, ...
14:53:30 <roba> q+
14:53:37 <jtandy> ack roba
14:54:48 <Linda> roba: JSON is popular now
14:54:53 <Linda> ClausStadler: and YAML
14:55:46 <Linda> jtandy: the email I linked earlier there are some questions. Please look at these questions and agree if these are the proper ones.
14:55:59 <Linda> ... also supporting multiple formats is a good one.
14:56:11 <eparsons> q+
14:56:24 <jtandy> ack eparsons
14:57:18 <Linda> eparsons: good questions, ask the questions in a closed way (e.g. is there any reason NOT to use WGS84)
14:58:14 <Linda> jtandy: so always aim towards the simplest approach
14:58:34 <Linda> q+
14:58:54 <jtandy> q?
14:58:58 <jtandy> ack Linda
15:00:32 <Linda> Linda: these questions are more about vocabularies than formats. No clear line between what's a format and whats a vocab
15:00:47 <Linda> jtandy: have to write about that.
15:01:01 <jtandy> q?
15:01:07 <Linda> jtandy: will be in touch with those who have work to do for the flooding scenario narrative!
15:01:15 <eparsons> thx linda
15:01:23 <eparsons> bye all
15:01:27 <jtandy> bye!
15:01:30 <MattPerry> bye
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